Just heard about this new round. Honestly, I think that this will be another short lived round. It might be an appealing if you live in one of the states that only allows strait walled cartridges. In a bolt action I don't really see much improvement over the 35Rem. The one thing I'm a little confused over is how it outperforms a 30-30 with less recoil-Marketing?

https://www.shootingillustrate...50-legend-cartridge/

It could be chambered for ARs.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
It could be chambered for ARs.

Definitely sounds like it just might work...

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Excerpt from webpage:
Uses a modified, straight-walled .223 Rem. shell case and a .357-inch bullet

it's been working in AR's for 10 years.

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I suppose it's a case of be careful what you wish for. I always thought it would be nice to be able to get factory ammo and magazines for 357AR. Winchester "invented 350 Legend" by taking the 357AR which is nothing more than a 357 Maximum-Rimless and added .11" to the case length for whatever reason. In an AR15 the max COL you're going to get to cycle in a magazine is about 2.25. The 357AR was already running the max COL with 180gr and heavier bullets. So all they did is cover up the bullet a little more with the case and give it a new name and actually down load it for whatever reason. Our 16" barrels are getting around 2150fps to their 20" barrels 2100fps? I've seen two different bullet diameters given by winchester and the reamer print floating around shows a 9mm/.355 barrel. Could be an early test barrel reamer or they could be trying to lock you into their ammo or components if you reload. Here's three that I've been hunting with since 2013. Started on one in dec 2011 and first shot it in January 2012. If the pics come up take a look at the cartridges in the mags and just imagine the case ends about another cannelures length in front of the canelure. The single rifle is one I put together after Christmas.

Invented? 351 Win SL from 1906 with a .351 bullet instead og .357.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...chester_Self-Loading

yawn.......

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Invented? 351 Win SL from 1906 with a .351 bullet instead og .357.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...chester_Self-Loading

The 351 operates at lower pressure levels and lower velocities.

It is nice to see innovations.

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It is nice to see innovations.

Agreed, lots of people live in states with cartridge restrictions and don't reload. This would be a nice round for those, also for youngsters. While it has no appeal to me, hopefully it will attract newcomers to shooting/hunting.

Makes a great cartridge for kids with only slightly more recoil than a 223 AR15 (feels like you're shooting an SKS) and low muzzle blast even with a 16" barrel. Their 20" barrel velocity should be around 2200fps with a 180gr, which is what the 20" barreled 357AR can do. Here's a pic from 4 years ago. 142yd shot on his first deer. We'd been practicing out to 150yds. And yes we're in a straight walled dnr area or else I'd be using something else.

I bet the mags could be modified to make the 358 Gremlin feed with a full mag. The mags have been the issue with the 358 Gremlin and the AR platform. Gremlin in an AR does 180s @ 2350 instead of 2100 with the "Legend" (how can it be a legend when it just got released?).

Likely the mags will help. We can't use the 358 Gremlin where I hunt because of the bottleneck, so I haven't looked at it much. Do the bullets or cases at rest touch the bullet guides on the Grimlin? Pmags are easy to dremel out the bullet guide ribs for 357AR and will be for 350 Legend as well. Depending on the profile of the bullet some guys have needed to trim back the magazine feed lips a tiny bit on the 357AR so that the cartridge bases aren't being held down while the fronts are trying to straighten out and slide in the chamber. From the looks of the CMMG mags with their 350 legend rifle the feed lips do look slightly shorter and a similar length to a dedicated 450BM mag.

If the 351 was so good, they would have just chambered an AR in it; this one is longer and hotter.
Passing fad? We'll see won't we.

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If the 351 was so good, they would have just chambered an AR in it

They sort of did winchester based the .30 M1 cartridge on it and their developement of the selfloading rifles for 32sl, 351sl was the base for the M1/M2 carbine (the US DoD had a requirement for the light weapon to be selectable fire but they accepted semiauto for rapid production instead as a start). Several countries used the civilian wincheter sl rifles n ww2.

Probably should look at the ballistics of each and then you will see where each fits into the spectrum.
30 Carbine is not in the same league as the 35 Legend; it was just a replacement for a pistol; not intended as a combat rifle. (Not defending it either)
I have talked to Korean vets who told me that a Chinese soldier in winter gear could absorb several carbine bullets and keep running at you.
Which country used a Winchester 351 as a standard issue combat weapon?

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:



It is nice to see innovations.

Agreed, lots of people live in states with cartridge restrictions and don't reload. This would be a nice round for those, also for youngsters. While it has no appeal to me, hopefully it will attract newcomers to shooting/hunting.

Bingo: Iowa, Illinois, Ohio; well over a million potential buyers in those states alone.