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If some of you remember the thread I started last year about One rifle for ever thing in North America I think I have finally got it. This rifle is light enough to carry all day, accurate enough to shoot father that I can, enough power for Brown Bear, recoil is light enough for someone who is recoil sensitive like me. Kevin Weaver shot the first 5 rounds through it on 4/2/07 (Pic link below}, not bad for a 6lb 5oz rifle I think the groups will tighten up as the barrel is broken in. 500 grains Sorry its not a 30-06, mauser weighing 9lbs. 300 wsm Borden Alpine action Rock Creek #1 24" High Tech sheep hunter stock Jewell Triger PT&G Bottom Metal Wyatt box Pics DR B | ||
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nice. good for you VERITAS ODIUM PARIT | |||
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what is "hunter" powder? Rich DRSS | |||
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thank you. Rich DRSS | |||
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Man that is a bright green stock. "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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Yes it is I hope it's just the lighting if not we'll change it. DR B | |||
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no doc...its the marlin guide gun in 45-70! 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Can,t argue with your choice , as being the most versital, But if you take that rifle after a big Alaskan bear I would have a frend near buy with a bad ass backup. Not saying it won't get the job done but if I were going for a griz brown or polar bear I would shoot the most powerfull rifle I can shoot well. ...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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Anyone who can shoot a 6-1/2 pound 300 mag. shure isn't recoil sensitive!! Early in my hunting career i tried synthetic stocks on my bear rifle. I found that you will loose an animial every once in a while, as if "anything" touches or rubs on the stock, it's a different kind of sound that bears pick up on and move off. (probably other animials too ? ) They are use to the sound of wood on wood, but NOT wood on a synthetic stock! I couldn't figure out what the problem was untill one day i was following my buddy when an alder limb touched "his" stock, right then it came to me!! I believe my syn.. stock ruined 3 stalks... (over a few hunts) Probably actually more that if i really knew the truth. When that hunt ended, off came the synthetic stock, and the wood went back on! A couple weeks later i was back in the bush and the problem was over! Anmyway, looks like you have a nice rifle there, "congrats" on that... DM | |||
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Interesting DM, another good reason to stick with wood, as if UUUUGLY, wasn't good enough  .Greg If God wanted man to have synthetic stocks, he'd have planted synthetic trees.... | |||
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyy DM, be happy! At least he didn't paint it camo! I agree about the walnut, but this is not bad for paint. Rich DRSS | |||
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Dr B Do you intend to only use this rifle? It seems that a lot of the guys I know that really hunt tend to use one or maybe two rifles for everything. What's good enough for JY Jones or Herb Klein ought to be good enough for most anybody. | |||
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But, but, but, according to the internet "experts" the 300WSM cartridge will not feed or chamber and lacks the power to do the job, unlike a 30.06, plus no reputable gunsmith will make a gun in that chambering. Actually I think it looks like a pretty good combination. I don't want to use one gun for everything and I'm not letting Wifezilla see this . Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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JHC! how many lumens does that thing put out? | |||
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Lots of good choices out there perhaps starting with the 7x57, 308, 30-06,.270,280,8mm, 9.3s,300 magnums of one sort or another, 338 Win and its counterparts. Caliber is the least important part of this equasion, bullet construction is. bullet placement is. Anyone of the above properly placed with a well constructed bullet will kill any animal in the Northerb hemisphere, in fact in the world. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have nothing but good to say for your rifle. It looks great, obviously shoots great, and fits my idea of a great go anywhere do anything kind of rifle. Enjoy. | |||
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True enough, but they aren't all up to "breaking an animial down" and for many animials (brown bear forinstance) that's the only "safe" and proper way to take them. DM | |||
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Hmmm, not having any experience with brown bears, I can only pass on the opinions of others I have heard here that do have experience, some of it considerable, with these bears. It seems that the only time one really needs a rifle capable of breaking down a BB is when is being charged, and even then good shooting is more important. I will defer to our friend 458Win, and others with similar experience here. The general consensus seems to be something like the '06 with suitable bullets is entirely adequate for BB hunting. I do have considerable experience hunting elk. They are big and tough but with good shooting they are easily dispatched with the 30-30. They are just as easily wounded with the big magnums, and during the years I worked as a guide or outfitter, I saw many that were wounded because the shooter was not proficient with a hard recoiling rifle. IME, good shooting trumps a big gun every time, but good shooting with a big gun is even better. DrB, given the parameters you outlined when you started this thread, I would say you have been completely successful in creating your ideal rifle. | |||
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Amen, And did you know when creating the WSM line of cartridges, Winchester used powder refined from the bone marrow of innocent and defenseless baby seals? And cases were formed using the teeth of war veterans? THAT's how they got those crazy velocities. It's on the internet so it must be true! | |||
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"If" you read my last post you WILL have the opinion of someone who has considerable experience with brown bears... I hunted them for 25 years, and harvested several along the way... Also took out many others hunters who "also" harvested big bears... I consider first hand experence about as reliable as it gets... DM | |||
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Its not just a rifle, its a nite lite! I can almost hear the lightsaber type sound effects; wrrrr, wrrrr, wrrrr... If the bolt was on the proper side, I'd be a bit envious. Though if I really were intending to be deer thru brown bear, I'd sure think about a .35 WSM mildcat. | |||
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This thing has almost as much recoil, and has a higher recoil velocity, than a 9 lb, .338 WM shooting a 225 grain bullet at 2800 fps. That's not my idea of a go anywhere, do everything rifle. The extra 2.5 lbs is an extra quart of water and a sandwich. No big deal. I think lightweight rifles are best shot with smaller cartridges. Fast Ed Measure your manhood not by success, but by significance. | |||
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I can see the motivation for a lightweight "walking around rifle" that spans deer thru elk/moose, or deer thru brown bear for those wilder locales. A .35 Whelen that's 7.5 lb all up might not be the most fun to use at the range, but its pretty tough to have enough diameter and bullet weight to deter one of the big bears and still be light enough to keep in hand all day on the trail. I did run a few numbers on my recoil spreadsheet and came up with a few load ideas for a "338 WM Lite" that would offer Whelen velocities and recoil levels but use the more common chambering. With a rifle like the Savage on which barrel replacement can be an owner procedure, I guess one could have a pencil barrel for general walking around mode and a much heavier barrel for range work and serious big game hunting. | |||
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Thats why the Encore has a good following. Change the barrel and go for it. | |||
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One rifle for everything? Sounds like an idea my wife would come up with. | |||
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I suspect I'd be rather prone to "bearanoia" and would feel awfully undergunned with a single-shot, even if chambered in .45-70 or .35 Whelen. If not in bear country, the Contender/Encore carbine idea seems great. Slap on a .250 Savage barrel for whitetails, a Whelen for elk, or a .444 or .45-70. Plus you can always get a custom barrel chambered in something like .270 Wby to annoy the belt-o-phobes. | |||
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The single shot 45-70 has served me well even in big bear country. However I can work the Ruger No. l faster than I can work a bolt because I have to shoot lefty but I am not left handed. I have single shots in 35 Whelen as well. | |||
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In the San Francisco area, we call that 'gay green'...   GS | |||
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By Golly, that's a GREEN rifle. | |||
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I sincerely do not see the need for anything beyond a .30-06 in North America for 97% of hunting. Carrying around anything larger is a waste of effort. If you mean to hunt the big bear, then buy or rent a special big gun for that hunt, but consider that you will be hunting probably 10 times the number of days for deer and antelope class animals than you will for a bear. I'll stay with a lightweight deer class rifle, thank you. LLS  | |||
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An excellant choise but I don't know about those big bears. I would choose a 338 I beleave. | |||
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Hey Doc Nice rifle. Kevin sure puts together some nice pieces that really shoot. I will agree with you that it very well could be your one gun for North America. I keep hearing the whining about it not being big enough for the "Big Bears" but I've heard plenty of people, outfitters and guides included say that a 30/06 is plenty if you shoot it well, why then wouldn't a .300 be adequate? I think the percentage of time you'll hunt "Big Bears" will be vastly offset by the time you'll spend hunting 4 kinds of Deer, 3 types of Elk, other Bears than the "Big Bears", 4 or 5 types of Sheep, Mountain Goats, Pronghorns, Moose, Bison, Wolves, Musk Ox etc. all of which also happen to be hunted in "North America". Yes there is bigger and "better" cartridges for the "Big Bears" but a .300 will work for sure. I'd much rather use a .300 to hunt everything than try to make a .338 or a .375 work to hunt Coues Deer or Antelope or little Texas whitetails. I think the "one gun for North America" statement can be picked apart by anyone willing to nitpick anyone elses choice that is not "their choice". A little jealousy thrown in too after seeing that tight group right out of the gate. I'm with ya Doc. | |||
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Nice rifle indeed, too bad it's not an ought 6. | |||
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Dr.B....I would have to agree that rifle would do the trick for all N. American big game...looks good and shoots great!.... | |||
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That is a stock that would make Remington proud!   Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Dr B, Good looking rifle. Sure is green... That 300WSM is a fine round, much better than a 300 WM as far as recoil goes, and they shoot well too. A buddy here has one, and I shot it. I could live with that chambering easily. Looks like you did it right with components too. Have fun with the new rifle. Don | |||
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