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If you hope for your daughter to have a lifetime relationship with her new rifle, then also teach her to reload because over the course of a lifetime It lets one shoot more for less. k As for the .308, I have been using a little Winchester classic compact in .308 for a long time. I like two bullets. 180 Nosler Partitions, and 150 Nosler Accubonds. I believe those two bullets would fill all of your north American needs except for the large bears. And IMR 4064 is a great powder with those two bullets. Have fun!!! | |||
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Amen! It seems like those who can't are always the first to tell other that they can't. Seems silly! I know Ray has done a lot but gives no credence tho those of us who are still doing it and doing it well! If someone doesn't want to shoot 400 yards, so be it but I do that and more at least once per week. BTW: here's another vote for Barnes 150 TTSX. They recoil less than the larger slugs. Zeke | |||
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Ray knows I have given him a lot of grief over the years but I have also agreed with him on a number of things, and will on this one when it comes to the .308 at 500 yards. I gong shoot at 500 yards twice a week, which I am going to guess is more 500 yard shooting than most of you. Under most conditions, the .308 works wonderfully. It is a caliber I have used to shoot almost all of my whitetails, most of my red stag, all of my black bears, and even some African game. Trajectory is not an issue with just about any caliber these days, but wind is. Last week the wind was blowing about 12 mph right to left. I was shooting a 28 Nosler with 195 Bergers at 3200 and a Lapua shooting ELDs at 2760. My iPhone said to hold just over 1 MOA with both. Both rifles hit within 3 inches of my point of aim. The guy next to me was using a .308 and he said he was using 1 mrad of windage - exactly what my app said I would have to hold with my .308. One mrad is 3.6 MOA... The problem with windage is you just never can be exactly sure. Last week the mirage was fast and flat but not washed out. But let's say the wind was only 10 mph - my hold would have been off by 20% or .2 MOA - 1 inch. A 20% error with a .308 would be .72 MOA or 3.6 inches. Trying to hit a 10 inch wide target with your "zero" off by 3.6 inches is going to produce some misses. I love my .308 Win's. It is one of the best calibers to learn to shoot at long range because it is cheap and accurate. But if you have to shoot at 500 yards, there are better options. | |||
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Again Ray's and your argument is about shooter error or lack of skills, not that the .308 Win is incapable of being used for 500 yard shots. I just don't get how you can praise the .308 for learning to shoot long range, then shit on it for being used as a medium range big game cartridge. | |||
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There are a pile of cartridges I'd rather use for 400 yd opportunities. But Friar bought the .308 - a very nice one - so he asked about a best load. A very reasonable assumption is he understands the compromises (drop and drift) involved with his choice of .308 and with his decision to select one do-all load. We have no reason to doubt he'll make sure his daughter develops the requisite skills and judgment to use a .308. Anyway, the 150 gr TTSX argument makes most sense to me. | |||
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No, it is not about lack of skills; a great bike rider is going to do worse in a race if he is racing with a Schwinn rather than a Specialized. No matter how good your wind skills, you will do better with a cartridge that has less wind drift, assuming equal accuracy. Period. Just look at the numbers I posted on wind drift; those are facts, not postulates. The same error on reading wind (and if you don't think there is error in reading the wind then you really haven't shot much) results in less wind drift with the two calibers I mentioned. I normally shoot my .308 during my 500 yard gong sessions but when the wind is really blowing, I choose something more up to the task. | |||
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You're killin' me, Slims, killin' me!  As for this being her first rifle...it's the first she knows about. Back when our esteemed gubmint was conspiring to have the wicked witch of the west elected, I bought a Colt AR...I believe a 6920. It has the absolute worst trigger I've ever pulled; so as soon as I swap that out for something respectible, she'll have an AR platform in .556 and a bolt platform in 7.65 I also have a Noveske Infidel for the other child... So, now I need just one more to round out the arsenel  friar P.S. wind is always a bugger, isn't it? If she's to learn to shoot sucessfully at 400, it will take a lot of wind practice. As for trajectory, penetration & expansion, and energy, I wouldn't give 400 yards a 2nd thought, not even for a moment  Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Ted, Im sorry your tired of my shit, Coming from a counterfeit like yourself, I consider that a compliment...All anyone has to do to satisfy you is agree 100% with you..and that's damn hard to do, over your name calling and insults. AZ, Yes, we have disagreed on occasion, but it's always been a pleasure to discuss such things with you, we don't have to agree on anything to discuss it..Mostly Ive agree with your posts and on occasions we skin a cat a little different, Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, I'm quite comfortable at agreeing with you......when you say something that makes any sense. As to me being counterfeit.......I'm quite the opposite and at ease at with myself sir. ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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