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Tanz that's not necessarily hard to do. Although the 338 LM was designed at 68K PMAP, and Lupua brass is still manufactured to that specification, it is typically only commercially loaded at 60K PMAP. Whereas the 33 Nosler is both designed at and loaded at 65K PMAP which makes it easier to match the performance of the larger case. Just sayin... Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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for the first fifty years after it was intoduced the 30-06 was the most commoly used rifle by Alaskan bear guides and hunters. The 375 H&H gained some ground and by the late 1960's or early 1970's the various .300's and the .338 had become the most common calibers used by bear hunters. For the past few years since the introduction of the 375 Ruger the .338 seems to be in a serious decline in Alaska. It's not as bad as the 7mm Mag yet, but is still loosing popularity. In camp I keep a couple of stainless M-70's in .338, another couple in 375 H&H and a pair of 375 Rugers to offer as loaners. The 338's used to be the most popular but today everyone turns their noses up at the .338's and want's a 375. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Hello Phil... Most of people follow trends.... I don't see anything than a 375 ruger can do better than my 338 WMG.... I use only 250 barnes or 275gr A-frame. As you know my last hunter this fall dropped an old big boar with a single perfect double lungs hit. His buffalo bore 225 grains x-bullet just turn the bear lungs in a bloody mess. the bear run 50 yds... Shot with a 375 Ruger... the bear would have as well run 50 yds... I have no doubt about it.... over and over in any forums it is always same debate coming back and forth.... My conclusion a 338 WMG or 375 Ruger are up to get same result in the field. It is just a question of trend... From my point of view the 338 WMG has a main advantage over a 375 Ruger. Bbullets versatility and availability. Buffalo bore, Sako Ammo and Swift A-frame have some of the best commercial ammo selection in 338WMG. Last, the 375 ruger is available mostly only in Ruger 77 line when all rifle makers have at least one rifle chamber in 338 WMG. Now If I had to choose a 375. I would go with a 375 Ruger not a H&H but it's going to be another debate. About the 7mm RMG. One another of my favorite. If it declines in AK it seems find a second life in lower 48 among long range circle. Again from my point of view nothing a 7mm RMG or 7mm WHY do can't be done better by any of the new ULTRA trend bla bla.... | |||
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458 Only, Im not sure I totally agree with your post, but Im not so sure that I disagree with it..Its been a delima with me for years..I am still a 9.3x62 fan, but still leaning towards my .338, must be those little 225 gr. bullets at 2913 FPS. Don't tell the masses but I load my .338 as fast as you load your 9.3's..Please whisper your reply, Jeffeoso, the reloader Goddess will get us!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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If you have one you probably don't need the other. 338 Win Mag can shoot 160gn at 3400fps, which makes it capable of 330 yard 5 inch point blank shooting. The little 160gn Barnes TTSX is a very quick killer on medium game. For heavy game you can load the 300gn Woodleigh softs or solids to 2400 fps. The 225gn Barnes at 2750 fps is probably the most capable all round bullet available for this calibre, and effective on a wide range of game. The only problem with this discussion is that it takes away my excuse to go an buy a 375. | |||
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View my post (posted previously in this thread) it is all the reason you need to own both! "I view the .338 Win Mag and the 375 H&H as 2 completely different rungs in the caliber/cartridge ladder not competing against each other, think of a 6.5 Swede and a 30/06 that's how I view them. I have a .338 Win Mag and a couple 375 H&H's I also have a 6.5 Swede and a couple 30/06's to compare. All very capable at what they do best. Just my opinion." | |||
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well I have a 6.5 x 55 and a 30/06, so maybe that will work again! | |||
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Because of BC I prefer the 185 TTSX (.432 BC) as the lightweight bullet in 338WM, and agree about the 225 TTSX (.514 BC) as the all-around choice, and would also be content with it as a heavy bullet for dangerous game if the backup situation arose. The 185 TTSX does 3150 fps with 74.5gn Rel-17 and WLRM primers in Hornady brass. Sighted in at 1.9" at 100 yards it is -4.1" low at 300 and -14.7" at 400 yards. The 225 TTSX does 2835 fps and is -6.3" at 300 and -19.2" at 400 yards. More impressively, it only drifts 10.4" at 400 yards in a 10mph crosswind. Here is what the 185TTSX did this week in southern Calif:  It's an excellent deer bullet. The heart was blown out. The animal fell at the spot meekly kicked one leg and was out for the count. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Just what you want! It wouldn't be any deader with a 375. | |||
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Years ago I did a comparison of all the medium bore cartridges I could think up . Most if not all of them were and are awesome rounds. From the 338 Winchester to the 378Wetherbee. When it was all tallied up, availability of factory rifles and a relatively compact rifle and available brass , bullets and factory loaded ammo showed the 375 Ruger to be the top of the list. Then Kabluey tempted me with a 9.3x64 Brenneke barrel and a Mark X action . Intelligence fled from my brain and I built the 9.3x64. It's really great. And with a 21.5" barrel I get 2750 fps from the 250 gr Barnes and 2640 - 2660 fps with the 286 gr bullets. Nice ballistics, uncommon brass. Unfortunately I really want another Ruger M77 Stainless Hawkeye, in 338 Winchester and a 375 Ruger Guide Gun/Rifle. My 9.3x64 fits me perfectly. Is so far strictly a 1shot killer. And yet , I want another couple Ruger factory rifles to take its place. Either one would suffice. Such are the whims of a rifle looney. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Yeah! Learn to shoot that 185 TTSX at everything, from deer to moose and never look back. | |||
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You could build a 358 Norma mag and you wouldn't need a 338 or a 375 for hunting North America. That is unless you want a 338 or 375 also and thats a good enough reason in its own right. | |||
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You will be happy with the 375 Ruger Guide Gun. A few tips when you get it is relieve the laminate would around the tang of the action, free float the barrel and glass bed the action. I smoothed up the rails and bolt works smoothly. I change trigger spring and honed trigger to a crisp 2 pound trigger pull. I have 2 loads that work well. 300gr. Nosler Accubond traveling 2590fps and a Woodleigh 350gr. PP load traveling 2390fps. Both shoot sub MOA at 100yds. | |||
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Do you know the BC of that 300 gr AccuBond ? It should be pretty good. I did not know Nosler made a 300 gr 375 AB. Actually , with the 250gr TTSX BT And now this 300 gr AB. That pulls the 375 Ruger Guide Gun ahead of the 338, At least in my addled brain. It would be fun to put my SWFA 10×42 M.D. on one and see how it did at long range. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Nosler suggests 0.485 (if you believe it). Pretty much the same as the Sierra 300gr | |||
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Now its really getting confusing, and all that's been said makes me wonder why I don't use my 30-06 as much as I have in the past, and I can't think of a reasonable reason.. One thing Im sure of and yes Ive killed buffalo with the 06, 338 and 375 and they all worked just fine, and as to their effectiveness they worked in that order, but they worked and that's the bottom line..Don't give me the stopper stuff, I consider it bunk, A good hit and properly constructed bullet being the only effective thing Ive ever noticed.   Today Ive ditched the .375 simply because of a hand injury from a couple of years ago and the trigger guard hits my middle finger and hurts like hell, even with a muzzle brake, so I'm down to my .338s ( the Ruger came with a brake and I love it) and 30-06s, and don't consider them a problem, As to calibers and recoil most of you will find age is the determing factor at some point. mother nature can be a real bitch! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I got the old age thing already lined out with my little 6.5 Creedmoor carbine . And the light little 375 Whelan Ackley Improved. And, if I need it for stopping . ( I'm a firm believer in wider is better ) I'll use my 458. Maybe make a 400 gr 2150 fps load for it. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Age is a bitch for sure..I just made a trade for a real nice Brno/CZ 602, an American classic and one of my favorite rifles in .375 H&H..thought the hand was healed completely because I have been shooting my .338 with a brake well...Guess what? it ain't happening, that 375 cracks that swollen knuckle and puts me to the ground!!  Guess, it will go up for sale!! along with a ton of WW brass etc. I'll just stick with that Ruger African and that ugly QD brake.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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There are no flies on a Ruger Hawkeye in 338WM. As Jim Carmichael once said, you could hunt the world with it. Maybe try holding on tighter with your forearm hand. I had that trouble of banging a Ruger bolt against my trigger finger with my 500 A.R.Nyati (6000-7000 foot pounds loads). Getting rid of the more-pistol-grip Hogue stock and holding on tighter with my left hand worked wonders. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Ha! Ray, I'm getting your goat, ain't I! Us old cummugeons (sp -couldn't find it in the dictionary) still know a thing or two, though the young'uns won't admit it. Let's see... I've been loading .338 Win Mags and a .340 Wby and .375 H&H's since the bug bit me more years ago than I can now recall. I doubt that the new .375 Ruger has anything to offer in ballistics that hasn't already been done a thousand times over. But it is cute. However, despite some claims here to the contrary, without experience I might add, neither the .338 Win Mag nor the .375 H&H can load 20 grains more powder of the best kind than the venerable 9.3 X 62. QL confirms that. And I can quite easily use 70 grains of RL-17 behind both the 286 NP and the 250 AB. PSI is over CIP but not SAAMI as SAAMI has no standard for the 9.3 X 62. I load mine to the same limit as a .338 Win Mag in a new rifle that also is chambered in an identical .338 Win Mag. I've loaded it this way for six years and shot three bears with it. It's a work horse, not a toy. For those who collect toys (six .375 Rugers? -- afraid they will break? Or, perhaps, one can't satisfy?), I'll not even try to compete as mine is no toy. It will do anything a .375 H&H has done in Africa according to the late Ganyana and Dr. Robertson. That's good enough testimony for me. Plus, I have lots of good ballistics programs so don't try manipulating numbers -- that won't work. Both of my Nosler loads (obviously, those who play games with their toys will never know reality about a modern rifle in 9.3 X 62.) will give 2000 ft-lbs plus at 500 yards. There is a growing number of real 9.3 X 62 fans in the USA and Canada who actually USE their 9.3's on big and dangerous game, and several are getting the ballistics I own -- all in new rifles. I'm hearing from them on a regular basis. But they won't show up here because of.... Well, you probably know why. Bob www.bigbores.ca "Let every created thing give praise to the LORD, for he issued his command, and they came into being" - King David, Psalm 148 (NLT) | |||
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I have 3 Rugers 375 - 4th being built on a blr. I have a sako 85 in 9.3x62. All my 3 factory rugers cost less than the sako 85 and out shoot the sako. I dont reload but custom loaded Barnes Tsx cost the same for ruger or 9.3x62. I like my toy rugers  Mike | |||
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Beretta, you are on track. The quote here from 458 is what I would call straw-man physics. The H&H has 18 grains more capacity than the 9.3, and it has the extra width in addition. The 9.3 cannot duplicate the 375H&H ballistics when other things are equal. And the 375 Ruger has 5 move grains than the H&H, so it has a 23 grain capacity advantage over the 9.3 PLUS that extra diameter. Everything is on a sliding scale and all cartridges are composite compromises. Period. At least he doesn't claim 416Rigby capacities. The 375Ruger can produce ballistics that the 9.3 can't touch. that's physics, it's no big deal, but everyone chooses the load and package that they want. On the other hand the 338WM only has a 12 grain capacity advantage over the 9.3 but it gives up .03 of diameter so its power will be only marginally more than the 9.3. Something like comparing a 300 mag to a 338-06, or a 7mmMag to the 30-06. No one is saying that the 9.3 is not a great cartridge, but portraying it as if it is the physical equal to the 375H&H or 375Ruger sort of grates against physics. And as always, in the real world one chooses a bullet and a load for the kind of hunting that one wants. Here is what a 338WM 185 TTSX with 74.5 grains of Rel-17 at 3150fps did with a mule deer heart two weeks ago:  It did the job. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Beretta682E; Factory loads were never mentioned in what I wrote. So to compare modern Factory loads of the .375 Ruger running over 60,000psi from MODERN powders with ancient (circa 1905) ballistics for a 9.3 X 62 is a failed argument as it is irrelevant to any discussion on the potential of each when handloaded with best components at equal psi. Mr. 416Tanzan; Your comprehension of the facts is obviously limited since you commended Beretta. You failed to respond to the FACT that both renowned PH's, the late Don Heath and Dr Kevin Robertson, who both have killed more DG than you will ever see, have been emphatic that they never noticed any difference between the effect of a .375 H&H and a 9.3 X 62 on Cape buffalo, or lion, etc. I've published my results, showing the ballistics of a .375 H&H from the 300gr Nosler Partition at 2600 fps and the 286 Nosler Partition at 2600 fps from MY rifle to 500 yards. Starting out, the 300gr is slightly better due to 14 grains more weight, but soon is passed by the 286 NP all the way to 500 yards. The same thing applies when the 270 gr TSX from a 20" .375 Ruger at 2850 fps (a favorite in Alaska) is compared to the same 286 load from MY rifle with a 22.5" barrel. The distinction in cross-sectional area of the .375 and .366 (9.3) are these: .110 sq-in vs .105 sq-in. That's a difference of about 5%. Does that matter? Yes, but very slightly. How much will a large game animal notice? I suggest that range to impact, bullet construction, SD and BC will all play an important role, and of course placement is most important by far. Yes, there are comparisons that could be made that would favor the .375's. But only on paper, which you seem to prefer. Go to RealGuns and you will find loads for a Ruger Hawkeye African in 9.3 X 62 (23") that present many loads over 4000 ft-lbs, and all of them have a significantly shorter COL than my loads at 3.37" COL. My loads concur exactly with QL when the same psi is applied as used in a .338 Win Mag. I'm still using some of the same brass (Hornady) that I started with nearly six years ago. The 9.3 X 62 is NOT based on a .30-06 case. In volumn it is greater, and then there is considerable differences as to who the manufacturer might be. It was created in 1905 by Otto Bock, a Berlin gunsmith, for European settlers in Africa for defence against anything, including DG, that might harm them or raid their crops. It worked so well on everything that most settlers and PH's armed themselves with M98 rifles in that chambering. And that was with "ancient" ballistics of the era. A few years ago, I had a similar type of discussion here, on AR, over .458 Win Mag ballistics VS the Lott. Some, to make their point were clinging to old tales of .458 WM bullet failures. I was easily getting 2200 fps from 500s using the best powders from my CZ550 with a 25" tube. With that bullet seated nearly as long as the Lott, I could reasonably obtain 2285 fps. Since Don Heath chimed in near the end of that debate, stating that the "boys" in S. Africa had been doing that for "a long time" from their 602s, and calling these rifles (forunner of the CZ550) a "poor man's Lott", that seemed to quell that debate. Ironically, I suppose, Don Heath's comment was removed, by the moderator I suppose. But few these days make negative remarks about the .458 Win Mag, which incidentally, is my favorite big-bore repeating rifle. Have a good day. Bob www.bigbores.ca "Let every created thing give praise to the LORD, for he issued his command, and they came into being" - King David, Psalm 148 (NLT) | |||
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As is usual on AR when a person asks about two calibers we feel it mandatory to suggest another. In honor of that tradition I suggest the 375 Weatherby. 300g bullets at 2800 fps out of a 24" barrel, or shoot standard 375 H&H factory rounds (300g A-Frames at 2450 fps) if you feel inclined. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I dont reload - I buy factory ammo or get someone specialized to load it for me - Superior or Double Tap. All I was saying is end of day to get a barnes 300 tsx loaded for me is $90-$100 a box regardless if it is a 375 H&H, 375 Ruger, 9.3x62. If i can buy (left handed) 3 rugers for the price of one Sako and they shoot just as good or better I will buy quite a few rugers. They are a non disposable item at a disposable price point for me. I drop a ruger of a hill in alaska 200 ft does not bother me - cause I know gun will function after that, is built like a tank, and if anything happens its $599 out of pocket and I have a another on the shelf. Mike | |||
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Tanzan: Once again, I agree with you. If a .338 can't do it, get a .416. | |||
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9.3 x 62 Mauser 286 gr bullet @ 2600 fps  and this is proposed as the "modern" norm for the 62 ? Methinks not ! Some simple math: CIP Proof kinetic energy = 5335 Joule 268 gr @ 2600 fps = 5821 Joule If we consider that 5335 joule equates to a a peak proof pressure of 1.3 x allowable pressure Where exactly then lies the pressure on this 2600 fps load ? | |||
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 Alf, I agree, ME THINKS NOT TOO. In US terms that load would be 4300 ft.lbs. That is truly a factory-375H&H-level load and should not be suggested as "expected" for a 9.3x62. Anyone can add tricks and whatnot to extend the flexibility of a cartridge, but in comparing one cartridge to another one should not compare extremes. For example, the Real Guns site did some 375 Ruger testing that produced many loads over 5000 ftlbs, safely. If one wants to pick cherries, so be it, compare cherries to cherries. Likewise, there are people who load 338WM Nosler Partitions to 4200-4400 ftlbs. But I would never cite that as normal or even prudent. If someone wants more power, the better choice is to pick a caliber that can do it easily. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I think it was Hal Waugh who called the 338 "all smoke no fire". Pass the 375 Ruger or H&H in the medium bore category. Everything else is window dressing...  | |||
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458Only: So I hereby acknowledge that Don Heath and Dr. Roberstson didn't notice any difference in the 9.3 vs. the 375H&H. That is what is called anecdotal evidence. Myself, I choose the 416s over either for carrying in the presence of dangerous game. (And I've probably seen more than those two have shot. For what it's not worth.) A good bullet put in the right place will drop buffalo in their tracks. I have friends who have dropped buffalo with a 270, 7x57, 308, 30-06, 303, 300 WM, 300Weatherby, and 338WM. But I still go with the 416's as my minimum preference of calibre because I've seen well-shot buffalo even absorb a 416 as "huh, what is this pest?" The 9.3 is a great buffalo killer, but I always choose an ACCURATE, carryable, larger rifle when available. (The night-cullers can have their 308s, I just like a little more margin.) And larger more powerful rounds do provide a little more margin. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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All moot because back in the day right or wrong someone in some game department set a limitation based on muzzle energy and caliber ( of factory ammo) on what could and and could not be used to take on DG. ( buffalo and ele) The 9.3 and 338 was out the 375 was in ! and this applied to all of the places where we could hunt buffalo and ele. So having said that I shot my first buffalo as a young kid in what was Rhodesia with a 9.3 x 62. Come to think of it shot my first lion at at 13 armed with a 243 ! My old man did not take to kindly to that and I got a ass tanning for my trouble cause I had some french visitor dude with me and someone could have gotten hurt ! I still think a 338 with solids would be a wicked choice and if SD and hence BC were the criteria for hunting DG at 500m ( have to give my head a shake on this one) then of course the 338 wins hands down. Looking back I have been happily married to a 602 in 375 H7H for some 46 years now and a pair of 9.3 , One a 62 and the other a 64 in ZG47's for not much less. Some how based purely on intuition should someone one day regulate me to one gun only the 375 will stay ! | |||
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I feel the same way about the 416 Rigby. But as I look ahead to hunting in my 70's I can see myself picking up a 416 Ruger or even a 375Ruger. They are all nice cartridges and the little Ruger Hawkeye packages make them easier to carry around the bush. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I've used the 338 WM and the 375 H&H on about 12 animals each, always shooting the best premium bullets available, 250 gr. in the 338 and 300 gr. in the 375. While not a tremendous amount of experience, if there was very much difference it should have shown up. I haven't been able to notice any difference in killing power between the two. These calibers are a lot more alike than they are different. They both hit real hard when proper bullets are used. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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458 Only, keep in mind that Ganyana, got stomped by and elephant and got his leg broke as I recall, didn't stop that big tusker with his 9.2x63, bad call brother!!  But hey, I still love the 9.3x62, in the bush, it would be my pick, but the .338 in the wide open West for my yearly elk cannot be beat.. I only got 2525 FPS with a 286 gr. bullet and that was max,plus max, in my Mausers with 26 inch fast Lothar Walthar barrels!! I could get about the same with RL-15 and RL-17, with the edge going to RL-17 and it may have been a bit hotter load. H414 got almost that velocity and much less pressure IMO..A good reference on loading the 9.3x62 is African Dangerous Game Cartridges by Pierre van der Walt, and he has a lot of good loads for African powders also. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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During the 35 years we lived in Alaska I owned and hunted with a 375 H&H, 375 Ruger, 9,3x62, and the .338 Win mag. Toss in a .375/338 that I had built in the 70's as well. They all performed well and doubt there was any difference in how they killed. In the end all the rifles were sold with the exception of the .375 Ruger. The left handed stainless rifle made the .375 Ruger my favorite. Accurate, durable, inexpensive. I can and did beat the shit out of it and didn't worry about hurting it. I did buy a McMillan stock for my Ruger and glass bedded it. I don't believe it ever changed POI. Might get the old gal out and take it deer hunting next week. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Snowwolfe, you will appreciate this rifle, LH. Pic is just after firing her 375Ruger, stainless Alaskan with pepper-laminate stock. Laminates, too, can add to accuracy in harsher weather.  +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Snowolfe in his post separated the truth from fiction with his actual experience when he stated the calibers he had used and that he couldn't tell much, if any, difference in their killing power on the animals he has shot or something to that effect. That is the answer you will get form anyone that's shot a lot of big game animals, their just ain't a hell of a lot of difference between calibers within reason..but that's a ball buster on the internet! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Alf: No more than a .338 Win Mag according to QL and my very long experience in handloading the .338 Win Mag, including a 20", a 24" and a 26". RL-17 makes a huge difference in that (9.3 X 62) cartridge, about 160 fps faster than what I could safely obtain from RL-15, with the same 286 NP, with even less signs of psi. You need to catch up on modern loads ALF! So, I guess you'd limit the "old" .30-06 to ancient ballistics, as well! Some new powders have come on scene recently that make "new" ballistics safely possible, including for the .375 H&H and the .30-06, as examples. My comment on 416 Tanzan's comment is the same as said in my previous remarks, but he's of the type that argues "MY mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts", which fits comfortably with the highly opinionated temperament types. Bob www.bigbores Bob www.bigbores.ca "Let every created thing give praise to the LORD, for he issued his command, and they came into being" - King David, Psalm 148 (NLT) | |||
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There are no "old and new" ballistics There is ballistics ! period ! The theory, math and application of the science has not changed ! Not as far as can see ! The physics that underlies concepts on the Specific impulse, RQ and maximum end momentum at the end of all burnt remains constant. As far as i can see the physical (physics) definition of our firearms has not changed. The maximum potential energy of your chosen load of RL 17 has not changed. What is different though about RL 17 compared to other propellants in this class is the method by which the retardant has been applied. I understand RL 17's retardant is not simply a coating it is impregnated throughout the propellant and that is claimed to account for apparent increases in expected velocities from this particular propellant ? ( something I have seen written about but not verified as fact ) The manufacturer of the case and the manufacturer of the barrelled action set the mechanical limits for the gun ! as they always do for all guns built. CIP set the maximum allowable safe limits on pressure for this cartridge. That is the ceiling any manufacturer of arms or components who are subscribers of CIP ( and it is a matter of law in CIP signees ) will go to and advise to. I cannot speak to SAAMI because I do not have direct knowledge as to their legal standing. The producers of software like Quick load will not advice on data beyond a load density of 107% or 62000 psi whichever comes first for the 9.3 x 62. ( btw the 250 gr bullet not the 168 will do 2700 fps at load density of 107% ) There is not a loading manual ( old or new) that covers the 9,3 x 62 and I have them all that will go to a 2700 fps on a 286 gr bullet ! If they did they would ( in a CIP signee country) fall foul of the law and or set them up for law suits if someone comes to harm) I am simply pointing out that a load of RL 17 that produces a true velocity of 2700 fps or momentum of 111 on a 286 gr bullet exceeds the safe limits imposed ! As to getting caught up on "modern ballistics and loads" well I don't know what you mean by getting caught up ? | |||
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