In the old days people debated the 270 vs. the 30-06. It kept the campfire glowing.

There is a modern similarity, thanks to a "new kid on the block" during the past decade.

The 338 Win Mag and the 375 Ruger are also separated by a reasonable caliber increment (about 10%) and both fit in a standard action rifle. I like them both.

Of course, this discussion takes place one story higher, at 4000-4700 foot pounds instead of 2700-3100 foot pounds. So it may be more relevant to those hunting heavier game.

So I wonder what people think of these two rounds, the 338 Win Mag and the 375 Ruger?

they both have sterling reputations for killing bears

I really like them both. I use the 225 grain TSX in the 338 Win Mag and the 270 grain TSX in the 375 Ruger. I have some 225 TTSX that I will eventually load for the 338.

I am a big fan of 375's and particularly the 375 Ruger. But,if I had only one rifle for all game of my interest it would be the 338 Win Mag.

I mostly moose hunt and use a several larger medium bores. Yes, a multitude of smaller bores work just fine also. I have a bit of a passion with 8mm, 338,375, and 416 diameter bullets.

This year for moose, I used a 20" barreled 375 Ruger. Last year, I used a 20" barreled 416 Ruger. I am already contemplating next year's rifle / cartridge and the 338 Win Mag is always in the running.

I suppose, not much of a debate. Either or works fine for me.

Tanzan,
Both are fantastic calibers. I really think the 375 Ruger shines in that it can be had in a standard length action. The medium magnum debate almost always goes something like this... A guy has a 30-06 and wants a medium magnum. He debates on a forum that he was thinking of 300 wm, 338 wm, or a 375 H&H (375 Ruger) in this case. Then all people start pouring out of the woodwork attacking the 338 win mag saying that "There is nothing a 338 wm can do that a 300 wm can't" and that "You'll never be able to go to Africa with it" and "It recoils too much". Basically telling the guy it will be the worst decision of his life if he picks a 338. All quite laughable. Nevermind that the guy already owns a 30-06, or that he would shooting the same game with the 300 as he would the 338 or that he probably isn't going to shoot past 500 yards anyways.
At times the 375 Ruger might be chosen because it's a legal limit on DG and the 375 Ruger has some ballistic advantages I think on buffalo and larger game but catagorically they are the same on plains game, elk/moose and soft dangerous game.

416Tanzan, I guess it depends on the primary uses! I have two .375.s, an H&H(similar to the Hornady), and a .375 AI. The AI, is my only, go to hunting rifle, pushing a 250 TTSX @ 3130 fps., which is more than you get from the .375 Hornady. My wife is running a .338 WM, 225 TTSX's @ 2950 fps. For normal hunting ranges(say, 400 yds. and under), I'll take my .375(especially if large/dangerous in on the menu). If long range is the cards, the .338 really starts to shine @ 600yrds and beyond(given the aforementioned data). At the longer ranges, it "smokes" my AI. The .338 offers, flatter trajectory, less wind drift, and higher energy numbers, and higher velocities(meaning better bullet expansion). A rather "windy" answer, but trying to give a complete comparison. Hope this may answer your question. memtb

Due to the availability (and ability) to shoot lighter bullets in the 200-225 grain range at velocities up to and exceeding 3,000 fps, the .338 offers a somewhat better tool for longer range shooting on lighter big game. For instance, I took a springbok at 400 yards with a .338 shooting a 200 grain Ballistic Tip. That would be somewhat less practical with a .375 shooting a 260 or 270 grain bullet at its lower velocity and heavier recoil.

On the other hand, the .375 can fling a 300 grainer about as fast as the .338 can propel its 250 grainer, so the .375 provides an advantage when the game is larger and closer (and perhaps more truculent than a springbok.)

At "medium" distances on "medium" game, there's more difference in the individual rifle and how it shoots than in the calibers.

Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

come back with the Ruger when it has 100 years of successful history. I like the classics too. I do grab a .338 for larger than deer many times also.

Having a 338 Alaskan and a new Super Grade 338 I had the SG rebarrelled to 375 RUM. If I were to do it now, I'd get the more standard case and go with the 375 Ruger. The 375 is the big brother of the 338. I prefer light for caliber, heavily constructed bullets for each. My favorites are the no longer being made BBCs, 200 & 250 gr respectively. Each has a muzzle velocity of about 3000 fps, quite flat trajectory and reasonably resistant to wind. I don't know that there is a significant/documentable difference in each's effect on a game animal. so I guess it's a matter of picking up the one that you like and going hunting.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

I have two 375 H&H and two 375 Ruger rifles and use them pretty much interchangably during the season but the 375 Ruger is immensely popular in Alaska and I would pose another question -- what can the H&H round do that the Ruger can not ? And in a smaller, lighter and less expensive package.

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

I have two 375 H&H and two 375 Ruger rifles and use them pretty much interchangably during the season but the 375 Ruger is immensely popular in Alaska and I would pose another question -- what can the H&H round do that the Ruger can not ? And in a smaller, lighter and less expensive package.

+1

I have 4 ruger 375 and one 375 h&h. All my Ruger's put together cost less than $3,750 and that includes a blr under construction.

I see little reason for 338 - not a africa caliber.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

I have two 375 H&H and two 375 Ruger rifles and use them pretty much interchangably during the season but the 375 Ruger is immensely popular in Alaska and I would pose another question -- what can the H&H round do that the Ruger can not ? And in a smaller, lighter and less expensive package.

+1

I have 4 ruger 375 and one 375 h&h. All my Ruger's put together cost less than $3,750 and that includes a blr under construction.

I see little reason for 338 - not a africa caliber.

Mike

Why is a 338 not an African caliber? Is a 300 win mag?

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

I have two 375 H&H and two 375 Ruger rifles and use them pretty much interchangably during the season but the 375 Ruger is immensely popular in Alaska and I would pose another question -- what can the H&H round do that the Ruger can not ? And in a smaller, lighter and less expensive package.

+1

I have 4 ruger 375 and one 375 h&h. All my Ruger's put together cost less than $3,750 and that includes a blr under construction.

I see little reason for 338 - not a africa caliber.

Mike

Why is a 338 not an African caliber? Is a 300 win mag?

Not if you hunting DG in a lot of areas (Zim).

If you hunting plains game anything goes.

Mike

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but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger,

... except fit the H&H in a standard length action and light to medium weight rifle. The difference between 90 and 95 grains of powder is moot, though favoring the Ruger if there is pushback.

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I see little reason for 338 - not a africa caliber.

My wife agrees, though without the "375 law", like in North America, I'm thinking that bullet choice would favor the 338.

I have two 375 H&H and two 375 Ruger rifles and use them pretty much interchangably during the season but the 375 Ruger is immensely popular in Alaska and I would pose another question -- what can the H&H round do that the Ruger can not ? And in a smaller, lighter and less expensive package.[/QUOTE]
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I have 6ea 375 H&H and 3ea 375 Rugers. Hell, I cannot recall the last time I fired the H&H's.
Yeah, I do like .375's, in H&H and the Ruger. But the Ruger cartridge is my most used.
I have different configurations in H&Hs and Rugers, but the factory 20" barreled stainless 375 Ruger with McMillan Hunter stock is a favorite. Certainly not the prettiest but hard for me not to grab it.
My son has a H&H and a Ruger also. He hunts with the 22.5" barrel Ruger SS with a McMillan Classic.
The 375 Ruger and 270 grain TSX worked outstandingly well for me this year, as it has in the past. No complaints regarding the Ruger rifle in the 3 weeks or so I carried it either, in mostly rain, mist, and fog.
I have a couple of varieties of 338 Win Mags and If, I hunted more open areas perhaps I would choose a 338. It also would be in a Ruger SS rifle, with a Pacific Research stock. The more open areas is where I see the an advantage to the 338.
200yds and under I prefer the 375 Ruger. At spitting distance visibility, I definitely prefer the .375 Ruger and sometimes the 416 (usually Ruger version also).

375 Ruger has too much recoil to shoot nearly as accurately as the 338 Winchester Magnum.

In North America, for things like moose or elk, the 338 Winchester Magnum drops them very effectively. I would only go with the 375 Ruger for grizzly, Kodiak or polar bear, of which I don't hunt bears, only meat.

Corey

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Originally posted by ar corey:
375 Ruger has too much recoil to shoot nearly as accurately as the 338 Winchester Magnum.

In North America, for things like moose or elk, the 338 Winchester Magnum drops them very effectively. I would only go with the 375 Ruger for grizzly, Kodiak or polar bear, of which I don't hunt bears, only meat.

Corey

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We will have to agree to disagree on not being able to shoot a 375 Ruger or 375 H&H as accurately as a 338 Win Mag. This would be rifle and person combination specific. I find very little difference in recoil between the two.

Some think the 338 Win has more felt recoil than a 375 H&H. And I have not detected a difference in felt recoil between the H&H and Ruger 375s in my rifles.

I do agree the 338 Win Mag drops game very effectively. And has the advantage of higher BC/SD bullet combinations.

The only potential negative grizzly/brown bear experience that I have had to date, was not when I was hunting them. Nor even open season for grizzly or any other large game in that area at that time. I did not shoot him or her. But will not intentionally allow another to get as close as fast, with me being their sole attention. Pre-375 Ruger production days, and happened to be carrying a 458 Win Mag that day.

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I cant imagine anyone who can shoot a 338 and not manage a 375, H&H or Ruger.

You end up with a heavy 375 H&H if you want a heavy 375 H&H. I can build a 375H&H tomorrow as light as any 375 Ruger but probably can't buy one from a factory as easily.

375H&H's are heavy because thats what the factories jammed down our throats for years.

Friends and I had 338's galore and hunted elk with them years back. Then Bill Steigers gave us the 250 gr Bitterroot Bonded Core at 2900 fps plus from the 375 H&H (a light rifle weighing 8# scoped) and we found out there was nothing a 338 could do that could not be done with the 250 BBC-375 combo.It slays brown bear. Since I did not need a safe full of medium bore, the 338s got sold and the 375 stayed.

We were building 8 pound 375 H&H's 30 years ago. The factories never quite caught up.

Ive had the 375 Ruger too. I think it's just like the H&H with a bit more speed and a shorter case.I don't consider the action length differences too significant but that's just my opinion.

That old wives tail has been around for a long time..Its pure BS..A 375 Ruger or H&H has more recoil than a .338 Win. and snappy this and push that is also bunk..If one feels the recoil of his .375 is a push and the .338 is a snap then its the stocking and fit..The more powder and the heavier bullet always has more real recoil...Felt recoil is the culprit according to some but IMO its 99.9% how the rifle fits.

As to killing power, the .375s are probably the better killers or so it seems to me. The .338s have a certain advantage on range I guess, at least on paper..

Im a real .338 fan, been shooting it for years and its my favorite NA caliber for big stuff from elk up, but Ive shot the .375 too much to take much stock in comparing them..both are excellent. I use the .375 in Africa and the 338 on this side of the big pond, if I had to switch, that would be Ok with me.

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Originally posted by Eastcoaster:
I cant imagine anyone who can shoot a 338 and not manage a 375, H&H or Ruger.

You end up with a heavy 375 H&H if you want a heavy 375 H&H. I can build a 375H&H tomorrow as light as any 375 Ruger but probably can't buy one from a factory as easily.

375H&H's are heavy because thats what the factories jammed down our throats for years.

Friends and I had 338's galore and hunted elk with them years back. Then Bill Steigers gave us the 250 gr Bitterroot Bonded Core at 2900 fps plus from the 375 H&H (a light rifle weighing 8# scoped) and we found out there was nothing a 338 could do that could not be done with the 250 BBC-375 combo.It slays brown bear. Since I did not need a safe full of medium bore, the 338s got sold and the 375 stayed.

We were building 8 pound 375 H&H's 30 years ago. The factories never quite caught up.

Ive had the 375 Ruger too. I think it's just like the H&H with a bit more speed and a shorter case.I don't consider the action length differences too significant but that's just my opinion.

I agree, and to me the very slight speed potential difference is inconsequential between the H&H and the Ruger.
I just like have nearly identical rifles in 338, 375, and 416 which the Ruger provides me easily. Yep, can be done with M70s also.

By easily, my example: just finished a phone call with McMillan regarding 2 stocks I had ordered for 416 Rugers. Discussion was barrel channel dimensions for a particular stock style. To unscientifically verify, I removed the "plastic" stock of a 338 Win Mag and one from a 416 Ruger Hogue rubber (UGLY, but functional)- The 416 fit directly in the 338 stock, same fit-up as the 338 - and the "plastic" 338 was not a sloppy-ass fit like the Hogue. Barrel contour wise, it appears the 338's taper difference is after the forend / forearm tip and the 416 appears to continue without contour. -- Not expected to mean anything to anyone other than me. The Ruger plastic all-weather stock (not the boat-paddle design)is not a McMillan, but seems to be one stiff & tough ass stock.

Ruger rifles may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the older I get the more I have gravitated to them.

The last range session I fired 3 different 375 Ruger rifles, factory 20" / 22.5" Lilja / 23.5" Lilja barrels with a single reload combination with a 270 gr TSX. Those groups were better than the one I shot with a 7mm-08 and factory loads. Lots of possible variables involved.

My opinion, person / rifle / load / as to accuracy potential, not caliber. Not necessarily in that order.

In terms of recoil, this is how it seems to me too. I don't have nearly the experience of many here, but have owned maybe a half dozen 338s (have 2 now) and about the same of 375 H&H, and 1 375 Ruger. Invariably I thought the 375s kicked a bit more. A 340 Weatherby seemed about the same to me as a 375.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
That old wives tail has been around for a long time..Its pure BS..A 375 Ruger or H&H has more recoil than a .338 Win. and snappy this and push that is also bunk..If one feels the recoil of his .375 is a push and the .338 is a snap then its the stocking and fit..The more powder and the heavier bullet always has more real recoil...Felt recoil is the culprit according to some but IMO its 99.9% how the rifle fits.

As to killing power, the .375s are probably the better killers or so it seems to me. The .338s have a certain advantage on range I guess, at least on paper..

Im a real .338 fan, been shooting it for years and its my favorite NA caliber for big stuff from elk up, but Ive shot the .375 too much to take much stock in comparing them..both are excellent. I use the .375 in Africa and the 338 on this side of the big pond, if I had to switch, that would be Ok with me.

JefferyPHD,
That sounds about right to me..Bigger case more powder, heavier bullets mean more recoil to what degree depends on the shooter..

I think the 338 is a sensible choice for a North American hunter and the 375 is a sensible choice for those who like to hunt Africa.

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Originally posted by sep:
I think the 338 is a sensible choice for a North American hunter and the 375 is a sensible choice for those who like to hunt Africa.

You can hunt anywhere with either one.

To my notion, as to Africa,for most folks, a 338 with 210 NOslers and a 375 with 350 gr. Woodleighs is the perfect African combo, or you could substitute the 416 Rem or Ruger for the 375 if recoil can be handled..I like a 338 and 416 combo..Its a nice balance. Lots of folks don't see the .416 Rem as a long range rifle and believe the .375 to be long range but not so, the 416 with 300 and 350 gr. bullets will really reach out an tap them..Any of the above work however.

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Atkinson:
I like a 338 and 416 combo..Its a nice balance.

338WM and 416Rigby are our current battery in Tanzania. Pretty much covers everything.

Haven't found the opportunity to finish loads and ferry over the 500-ARNyati or wife's 375Ruger.

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Originally posted by smallfry:

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Originally posted by sep:
I think the 338 is a sensible choice for a North American hunter and the 375 is a sensible choice for those who like to hunt Africa.

You can hunt anywhere with either one.

Largely true, except for the minimum 375 caliber designation for some species in Africa previously mentioned.

I don't have any issue shooting smaller animals like Sitka blacktails with a 338 but the 375 just seems a bit much to me. I guess an argument could be made for either caliber when hunting one species in big bear country.

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Forget the .375 Ruger. Go with a .375 H&H and don't look back. It's all you'll ever need. I know the .375 Ruger has its niche, but I can do anything with a .375 H&H that I could do with a .375 Ruger, and do it with traditional class. And that means something to me.

I have two 375 H&H and two 375 Ruger rifles and use them pretty much interchangably during the season but the 375 Ruger is immensely popular in Alaska and I would pose another question -- what can the H&H round do that the Ruger can not ? And in a smaller, lighter and less expensive package.

I like them both. Have owned and hunted a good size bunch of all 3 . 338 Win.. 375 H&H , 375 Ruger . . The 338 is a little less recoil . . However. The 338 doesn't do as well from a 20" barrel as the 375s do. So , if you like short barrels . And want 4,000 ft lbs of m.e. The 375s shine. But, really, find the rifle you like best and shoot well and have fun. They all work great.

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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Atkinson:
I like a 338 and 416 combo..Its a nice balance.

338WM and 416Rigby are our current battery in Tanzania. Pretty much covers everything.

Haven't found the opportunity to finish loads and ferry over the 500-ARNyati or wife's 375Ruger.

Another vote for the .416 Rigby/.338 WinMag combination for Africa. I've never seen a need for a .375 anything.

In regards to a .338 not being an African cartridge, you might want to get out more. I use a .338 for pretty much anything that I am not using a 7mm or a .416 on. Certainly not my culling caliber/rifle, but the .338 is a wonderful plains game cartridge and it has killed a lot of dangerous game as well - not "legal" per sa but I don't recall ever seeing the Caliber Police in the outback.

I view the .338 Win Mag and the 375 H&H as 2 completely different rungs in the caliber/cartridge ladder not competing against each other, think of a 6.5 Swede and a 30/06 that's how I view them.
I have a .338 Win Mag and a couple 375 H&H's
I also have a 6.5 Swede and a couple 30/06's to compare.
All very capable at what they do best. Just my opinion.

I agree, over the years Ive always had at least one .338 and one 375...In my golden years I shoot the 338 almost exclusively for elk and the 06 or 250 Savage for deer...Ive about put Africa aside as the flight is a bitch on old bones and muscle mass gone astray!

Ditch them both for a 9.3x62 or a 9.3x74 in a nice over under double......

The 9.3x62 and 74, had their place when bullets frequently failed at 375 and 9.3x64 velocities. That is and was their only virtue. They are purely a fashion trend right now. Both the 338win and 375 whatever's have them beat on either light bullets in 338 or heavy in 375. So let's continue to bullshit ourselves those that bought one. The shorter bolt throw thing was a valid argument once, but the advent of the 375 ruger pissed on the 9.3x62 in that respect now too. One day the 9.3's will go the way of bell bottom jeans. And if they don't, perhaps those that own them will stop bringing them up during discussions about other calibers.

The best i have got out of the 338 is 2800 fps with 250 noslers....thats a really max load
With my 375 Ruger 24 inch barrel i get 3000 fps with the 260 partition/accubond...and that is some load....i would love to see how it perfoms at really long range on elk moose sambar etc etc
The 300 partition moves along @2700 that to is a solid load

I was an avid 9.3x62 fan for many years and loaded it to compete favorably with a 9.3x64 with the use of 26 inch barrel...liked both but the bottom line eventually caught up with me, I figured out the .338 Win. loaded to same specs and all things equal, was every bit as good up close and much better way out yonder, thus fit my hunting where I hunt best of all...The 9.3x62 is a rather short range weapon, that many have tried to make a long range rifle out of, you can do that with too much powder and too light of bullet, but that is a delusion.

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Originally posted by boet:
The 9.3x62 and 74, had their place when bullets frequently failed at 375 and 9.3x64 velocities. That is and was their only virtue. They are purely a fashion trend right now. Both the 338win and 375 whatever's have them beat on either light bullets in 338 or heavy in 375. So let's continue to bullshit ourselves those that bought one. The shorter bolt throw thing was a valid argument once, but the advent of the 375 ruger pissed on the 9.3x62 in that respect now too. One day the 9.3's will go the way of bell bottom jeans. And if they don't, perhaps those that own them will stop bringing them up during discussions about other calibers.

This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. And I own a 9.3x62.


Okie John

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Originally posted by boet:
The 9.3x62 and 74, had their place when bullets frequently failed at 375 and 9.3x64 velocities. That is and was their only virtue. They are purely a fashion trend right now. Both the 338win and 375 whatever's have them beat on either light bullets in 338 or heavy in 375. So let's continue to bullshit ourselves those that bought one. The shorter bolt throw thing was a valid argument once, but the advent of the 375 ruger pissed on the 9.3x62 in that respect now too. One day the 9.3's will go the way of bell bottom jeans. And if they don't, perhaps those that own them will stop bringing them up during discussions about other calibers.

Why do people need to stop talking about them? Why do you think cartridges were designed, marketed and continue to exist based off of your specific fact pattern that rationalizes what you like and dislike about cartridges personally? It's a wonder based off of your rationalization that the world doesn't just allow for five different cartridges. Why do so many makes and models of cars exist, can't we just rationalizing them down to three all in the same color? Why continue bullshitting ourselves?

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I was an avid 9.3x62 fan for many years and loaded it to compete favorably with a 9.3x62 with the use of 26 inch barrel...liked both but the bottom line eventually caught up with me, I figured out the .338 Win. loaded to same specs and all things equal, was every big as good up close and much better way out yonder, thus fit my hunting where I hunt best of all...The 9.3x62 is a rather short range weapon, that many have tried to make a long range rifle out of, you can do that with too much powder and too light of bullet, but that is a delusion.

Now you've gone too far Ray -- you've insulted me!

What happened, did your source of RL-17 dry up?

Let's see now... using RL-17, I'm getting 2464 fps/4300 ft-lbs from the 320gr Woodleigh with a BC of .457 at the same psi as a .338 Win Mag! Over 2600 fps from the 286gr NP with a BC of .482. That gives me in excess of 2000 ft-lbs at 500 yards! True, we don't have those "cute" 200s and 225s that you shoot in your beloved .338s, but having owned a couple of .338s and a .340 Wby, in addition to three .375 H&Hs, I think a .300 Wea or Winchester shooting that 200gr AB with a BC of .588 around 3000 fps will handle that chore better than a .338 Win Mag. However, the 250gr/9.3 at 2760 fps from my 22.5" Tikka in 9.3 x 62 will do anything the .338 can do with it's intended 250gr from a bore size of .338. The .338 is at it's best for it's intended purpose firing premium 250s at around 2700 - 2750 if using a 22.5". As to the .375s... if using the 270 TSX from a 20" tube, it falls short for any long range hunting (400 - 500 yds) compared to what I am routinely getting from my 9.3 X 62.

I've owned a 22", a 24" and a 26" .375 H&H. Barrel length makes a huge difference-- don't let anyone fool you. At 200 yards or less, it doesn't make much difference, but at long range, the difference between 2560 fps (my 22") and 2700 fps shooting a 300gr from a 26" is significant.

Of all the mediums I've owned, the 9.3 X 62 is my favorite.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

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getting 2464 fps/4300 ft-lbs from the 320gr Woodleigh

This is claiming 375H&H ballistics in an "06" size case. It sounds like the hype around the 33 Nosler getting Lapua ballistics with "18 grains less powder".

Now I don't doubt that someone might get a rifle with freebore and a long, slick barrel to safely shoot at a power level that is beyond its design (or even for some chronographs to mis-measure). But I would not promote that cartridge as if it were truly a 4300 ft lb cartridge. That is the realm of the 340 Weatherby and 375 H&H and both have powder capacities that are about 20 grains over the 9.3x62. In cartridge design, the buyer usually gets what one pays for and should plan accordingly.