going to get a new 700 rem., 270 or 30-06. I should state I already have a 270 and 243,also dies for both. maybe a 300wsm? what are your thoughts?

what will you be using it for?

Thx

Mark D

A good 30-06 is never a bad choise!!!

Only one choice in my book--the .30-06.

This is the centennial year of the .30-06. You ought to have one anyway. What better time to get it?

If I had a 270 & 243 I would go 30-06 and not look back.. I just don't see that the 300wsm gets me that much over a nice 06.

06. Definatly !
A good step up in bullet weight.
Then get a whelen or a .3308 06 or mabye a 45/70 and you are set for all north America and most of the worls, and with out a magnum,
...tj3006

Another vote for the 30/06.

1st the Rem 700 is a pathetic rifle, 2nd if you already have a .270 get something in a magnum class like a 300 win, 338, 375 etc

The 30-06 is a good caliber but I feel it is to close to the .270. I'd opt for something a little bigger. Since the 300 WSM is all but dead in my opinion I'd think very strongly about a 300 Win Mag.

1st the Rem 700 is a GREAT rifle, and if you already have a 270 then get an 06.

since you are shooting a 270, I assume deer class animals.. of which the 270,280, and 30-06 are all equally good choices...

in light calibers/non dgrs, the 700 rem is generaly a very accurate rifle.

if you have a 270, and don't reload, stick with that, so you aren't buying scads of ammo and only shooting 1/2 a box

jeffe

thanks for all the input,but some ?'s. whats wrong with the 700 rem? the 300win was thought of,but I dont like belted cases. why do you think the 300wsm is dead?

.300 Win Mag is easier to find cartridges for when traveling. You can't go wrong with the .30-06 though and if you haven't shot anything larger than the .270 probably a better choice. Don't be afraid to pickup the Model 700 they are great rifles. If you go with the 06 Rem has a great tribute rifle in a CDL for the centennial of this great cartridge.

First of all the remington 700 is an excellent rifle. Thousands of reliable, well used specimens exist. Second the 300 WSM is alive and well, servin g its purpose with aplomb. Thirdly redundancy is not always a terrible thing. Two .270's is better than one, but if you are planning for good moose/elk/bear upgrade it is hard to beat a 30-06 with 180er @ 2750 to convince them to step into a freezer. That new Remington 700 centenial is a sharp looking rifle, and so is a Wiinchester 70 featherweight if you can find one. Long live the writing's of Jack O'Connor and hi accomplishments with both calibers.

What in Louisiana do you need anyhting better than a push feed .243 anyway? How is it looking down there? Its been awhile since I did some volunteer roofing in the area.

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Originally posted by lenny:
thanks for all the input,but some ?'s. whats wrong with the 700 rem? the 300win was thought of,but I dont like belted cases. why do you think the 300wsm is dead?

Well some folks are so belt shy I'm surprised they can keep their pants up.

Why is the WSM dead. Well one of the major players in that game is still out of business. The brass costs twice that of a 300 Win not a bargin. Rick Jamison has the rights to the short magnums and now they have to pay him to use those rights. If that isn't enough they fall just mid way between regular calibers and real Magnums. So I really don't see much use for them unless you don't think regular calibers are big enough and you have a recoil problem with the real Magnums in my opinion they don't have a place other than to fill a very small niche.

Like VG says below there is nothing wrong with the Remington 700. Those that say that well it's a mystery to me I own over twenty Remingtons and all of them function and shoot very good. Not to say they are the only gun to own but they are fine in my opinion. I also own Winchesters, Howa, Rock Island, Anscultz, Savages, Weatherby and a Viper.

Lenny: First of all the Remington 700 is a splendid Rifle!
Don't let ANYONE try and bullshit you into any other conclusion!
There are MILLIONS of happy, satisfied and sophisticated Remington 700 owners!
I am proud and happy to among them!
With todays choices of sophisticated and specialized bullets the 30/06 is even a better choice than it used to be (for the last 99 years!)!
I especially like the 165 gr. Nosler Partitions in my 30/06's. I have used this bullet to harvest Black Bear, Elk, Mule Deer, Whitetailed Deer, Mt. Goat, Black Tailed Deer, Antelope and the like - never a problem!
I just got a call from a friend in New York and he asked me to keep an eye out for a used 30/06 Model 700! He is a younger man and working full time to make ends meet!
He looked things over and made the decision that the 30/06 will do all he needs done from Black Bears to Caribou and Sheep - and from Moose to Deer and Antelope!
Good choice the 30/06 and I highly recommend it and THE REMINGTON 700 to you!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I vote for the 30-06 too.

I vote 30.06 as well. I started my hunting career with an 06 of my dad's back in the early 70's. It was a rem 721. Nothing fancy but a great shooter. I took many whitetails with this gun before it was stolen out of my home. I have now been through nearly every mag out there. last week I traded for a Belgiun Browning safari 30.06. I'm now back in the business.

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Why is the WSM dead. Well one of the major players in that game is still out of business. The brass costs twice that of a 300 Win not a bargin.

You dont actually believe that crap surley ?

Lenny, you will get the real facts on the WSM's here mate.

http://www.netrifle.com/forum1/default.asp

If you dont mind the recoil the 300WSM would be a great choice.

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whats wrong with the 700 rem?

It's delicate parts, unreliable feeding, and prone to jams, parts breakage, and later ones have very poor workmanship, and quality control.

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Originally posted by A. Fleming:
What in Louisiana do you need anyhting better than a push feed .243 anyway? How is it looking down there? Its been awhile since I did some volunteer roofing in the area.

Big hogs!

Lenny: Since you like M700's, and you handload, why not look at a CDL in 35 Whelan. Then you would have the bases covered for North America. My 35W has proven itself on Moose and Caribou, and I've found it pretty easy handload. My $.02!

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:

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whats wrong with the 700 rem?

It's delicate parts, unreliable feeding, and prone to jams, parts breakage, and later ones have very poor workmanship, and quality control.

I've been usng Remington since 1973. Several different calibers I don't have a feeding problem. Several friends have the same experience? No parts breakages either. As for workmanship and quality control all of the makes have had some problems in that area. I think we have a case of sour grapes here.

I goota throw my 2 cents in here again.
Nothing wrong with the 700 REM. I personaly like CRF rifles, better and own zero remingtons.
But the notion that they are not good rifles is silly.
But there is nothing wrong with belted cases either, the 300 wsm is again not my style but I know it works.
I think your choice of the 30,06 is a good one, overlap is not a problem.
As I own 2 .257 Roberts now and may well end up with a 3rd soon.
I also have a 25,06 a .270 a 280 ack and 2 or 3 30,06s. I like rifles, if I find one I like at a time and can afford it I buy it.
If you are enamord with the CDL REM you mighyt consider a 35 Whelen, I like mine but the 06 is allways a good choice...tj3006
...tj3006

I had shot the 270 for years and a few years ago I was thinking about getting a 30-06 for a little more knock done power. However, I ended up getting a 300 win mag for the knock power plus its ability for the longer shots over the 30-06. I would advise going with the 30-06 or 300 win mag because the availbility of ammo in different areas/countries is far greater over the 300wsm. Of course I still have my 270 and will never get rid of it.

For a little different angle on the original question of another 270 or get a 30'06...I'd offer this.
If you like the 270 and plan to keep it, shooting mostly 130 gr'ers as most folks do...then a 300Wmg will shoot 165's to almost the same exact POA and same flight path. I've been doing this for over 25 years and don't have to think about a different drop table if I have a different gun in my hand with these two. I would also suggest that whatever rifle you own/shoot the 270 in ...the 300Wmg -or '06 if you go that way - should be the same brand but maybe a SS/syn instead of a wood /blue or vice versa.
Today, PTL we are getting a good rain, and I would not hesitate to leave my wood/blue 270 in the closet...but would automatically reach for the 300Wmg in SS/syn.

The idea of a another 270 is also a good one, especially in a wood/blue and a SS/syn combo unless you need a bigger stopper for some reason.
I also shoot a 9.3x62 as my big stopper but eventually would like to have all my guns the same brand...same safety setup, same feel and swing...just like a having a set of golf clubs in a 2 iron thru 9 iron all the same weight and feel....but used for different shots. JMHO BTDT once and shame on me sold off the collection. I just have not decided on which brand yet for the platform... and can't afford what I once had. Just another angle to think about. Have fun.
Ron

The statement that a reminton 700 has delicate parts only proves that peron rarely takes firearms apart to clean them. It's a very hardy, and simple action. Not to mention accurate.

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:
Big hogs!

For those, I don't think you could do better than the .30-06 with the old 220 grain soft point.

I still remember a picture in one of my old Guns and Ammo or Gun Digest annuals from the early '70s of a huge African warthog that had been bagged with one shot of this.

Somebody should sticky these 30-06 vs 270 threads. Save someone some bandwidth.

Either one is great for most hunting. Picking between the two comes down to what rifle you like. Both have lots of factory ammo and compenents out there. Easy to handload and shoot. Both are very accurate.

ZM

Look at the ballistics and think about the game you're after. For most people, anything the .30-06 can do, the .270 can do with less recoil. IMO "stepping up" from the .270 to the .30-06 is not even making a half step. If you really want something that will do what your .270 won't, be serious about it and get a .338 or .35 Whelen.

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:

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whats wrong with the 700 rem?

It's delicate parts, unreliable feeding, and prone to jams, parts breakage, and later ones have very poor workmanship, and quality control.

I beg to differ Have 4 700's here have never had a part break all have fed with out a bump ever,( from 100 above to - 40) with factory and hand loads combined the 4 have shot thousands of rounds. Accuracy has been better than average once a good load is found. All four have only had trigger work done to get away from that laywer trigger. As far as fit and finish and QC are conserned I like to shop around looking at varous rifles before I make a selection on the one to bring home. I would like to think I have a bit of knowledge of what to look for then again it could be blind luck. I would would rather lucky than good any day.

On the back swing one of those 700's just downned the biggest black bear I have ever seen this morning at 7:25 am mountian time. Two partitions an inch apart at 100 yards in in a very short time frame ( seconds) I would like to claim it was me but I can tell you straight it was the rifle that put them bullets where tey needed to go.

Hoping to not piss off varmint guy by using one of his stead fast saying's

long live the Rem Mod 700.

I will be posting the bear hunt in the Canadian hunting forum with pictures if you care to have a peek.

Lenny you can never go wrong with a 30-06, for deer it is a mute point and won't look any different from a .270. Both shoot flat with bullet weights designed for the task, and both have way more power than you need for deer.Step up to bigger game and the 30-06 has an edge over the .270. Yes both kill elk and moose every year and both wound the same animals every year. With the right bullet in the right place you will be hard pressed to tell the difference. I can only speak for my self when I say a 30-06 with a good quality 200 in the 2600 fps range is about as close as it gets to perfect for moose out to 250 yards with out kicking you into the next county.The 30-06 has never let me down, but once and a while I have let the 30-06 down ( if that makes sense) What ever you get shoot it and shoot it then shoot it some more untill you can forget about shooting it and put some game on the ground. A lot can be said for a man that knows his rifle inside out.

Get a 30-06 and sell off that young snotty pretender 270

If you don't want a belted magnum then look at the 35 Whelen. The 270 and 06 are too close to provide much diversity.Lou

Gidday Guys,

30-06

Happy Hunting

Hamish

Well, as Col. Whelen once said, "The 30-06 is never a mistake." I'll go along with that.iIf I were to be restricted to owning only one rifle, God forbid, it would be my old FN commercial Mauser in 30-06. Built in the 1970s by a gentleman named Cal Albright, the original gun was in a beautiful piece of Claro walnut, that sadly was broken in a fall. I replaced the stock with a McMillan Classic style and glass bedded the whole affair.The rifle has a 1 in 12" twist rather than the common 1 in 10", and yes, it will shoot bullets as heavy as 220 gr. accurately, contrary to popular opinion. I've settled on two loads for the rifle. The 180 gr. Sierra Pro-hunter for deer and the 180 gr. Nosler partition for elk.
The charge is higher than the max load in any manual so I won't post it. The most intersting thing I've found is I can usually work up a load with the Sierra bullet and use the same data with the same weight Nosler. I still drop back two gr. and work back up though. It's worked so far in the .308 Win., 30-06 and .300 Win. Mag. for me.
Paul B.

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:

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whats wrong with the 700 rem?

It's delicate parts, unreliable feeding, and prone to jams, parts breakage, and later ones have very poor workmanship, and quality control.

I personally have close to 10 Rem 700 & within the last year built a 338-06 on a Rem 700 action. I have never had an issue with this action, parts breakage, feeding or otherwise. I have several that the only thing that has been done to them was a trigger adjustment & they shoot under 1" without a lot of effort on my part. I have a 280 Imptoved built on a mauser action that is the worst feeding rifle I have. I don't condemn this rifle because of it.
Lenny I would suggest that you go with the 30-06.

The current American Rifleman, in the piece on the centennial of the .30-06, quotes Jack O'Connor as saying that "The .30-06 is the most generally useful American cartridge ever made."

If heritage and a long service life are the real issue, I can get you a number to call on a Rem 700 in the .30-06's daddy an 8x57 classic. The 8x57 is arguably a better elk and moose/bear chambering than the -06 , older even more of a classic.

This ammo availability issue is complete tomfoolery. It seems everybody has a Cabela's or a Scheel's or a Dick's sporting goods, not to mention local shops. If you leave home without ammo you've got bigger problems! You're here so you obviously can go on-line, Midway, Graf's etc. have solved any availablility problem for ammo or components.

I like my WSM- a .270 WSM brass isn't twice that of -06 or .270 brass here and everybody around carries it. I see alot of it at even Walmart! A .300 WSM is a very good choice if you decide on a magnum .30.