We are currently designing a brass raptor that will be supplied with a tip and will weigh ~145gr and a copper raptor supplied with a tip that will weigh ~160gr. We are designing both of these bullets so that they will feed and function in the 350 Rem Mag, Whelen, and Hoosier cartridges.

I got the above in an email inquiry about a custom run of bullets and tips. The 175gr .358 ESP Raptor previously offered has been discontinued due to slow twist of 35 Whelen rifles not being able to stabilize the bullet.


I am very excited about the new bullet weights! Wish they would have come to be much sooner though.

Wiil they work in 35 Rem. leverguns with out tips ??

CW, I imagine they will. PM me your address and I'll send you a few of the older 175gr to make some dummies to test the feeding. If they feed, I see no reason why the new bullets wouldn't, as I can't imagine CEB straying from the BBW#13 profile.

The problem is not the Whelen or the bullets but stupid Remington for using too slow a twist barrel.
Gotta love CEB for making the best bullets and so many of them.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
The problem is not the Whelen or the bullets but stupid Remington for using too slow a twist barrel.
Gotta love CEB for making the best bullets and so many of them.

Don't get me wrong. For the most part I love CEB! I feel the effort put forth creating some of the "rat-bore" projectiles has been lacking. If industry standard is twist X, why create bullet K that won't stabilize?

Seems there has been much more development of rat-bore-weight projectiles for big-bore than similar theory applied to smaller calibers. For example there are 250gr 458s, and 180gr 416s. Traditional weights for those calibers was 500gr and 400gr respectively. The new bullets are less than half traditional weight. Why don't they develop 150gr .375 and 125gr .358?

Which leads to the next question.......if fired at similar velocity which has deeper penetration-235gr .375 or 250gr .458. I have read all the stuff Michael posted and don't remember. Still waiting for the book to be published........

There are more carts as you know in 35 than just the awesome Whelen and CEB seems to be pretty good about twist recommendations. Remington was the worst thing to happen to the Whelen with its choice of twist for that cart but not all Whelens are from Remington. The perfected hollow point brass bullets from CEB have shown to love velocity over traditional weight. Over and over .2SD raptors seemed to out perform .3 SD bullets and seem to work quite well down to .18 SD and the .17 SD of the 250 grain 458 seems to be packing a damn good wallop from initial reports on page 295 of the terminal performance thread. I am all for light bullets on thin skin game and moderate on more dangerous critters. I think the heart/lung shots with these eviscerating bullets at high velocity are just jaw dropping in performance. There does need to be a demand even if it the best bullet for the job and as the market awakens to these bullets the demand for more über light bullets will be there.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
There are more carts as you know in 35 than just the awesome Whelen

I love the 35Rem and 350Mag. I had an opportunity to get a 358 Norma once........