Just a question. I have shot a 30/06 and a 270. I have never shot a 35 whelen and do not know anyone who has. Where does the recoil fit in with the two cals i listed above?

Well, the recoil is more then either the .30-06 or a .270.

I prefer the .35 whelen to either a well.

Great cartridge.

A 220 06 and a 225 Whelen will be close. A 250 in a whelen will be 30-40% heavier than a 180 in an 06. Taking a shot at game you will never feel the difference.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
A 220 06 and a 225 Whelen will be close. A 250 in a whelen will be 30-40% heavier than a 180 in an 06. Taking a shot at game you will never feel the difference.

Dead on.

I have shot a LOT of 308, a fair amount of 30/06...

I used to own a 350 Rem Mag, in a light weight kevlar stocked Rem Mod 7, and I have shot a couple of 35 Whelen's.

I have also shot a bunch of game with a 9,3x74R.

I would not say the recoil, of the 35 Whelen is that much more than a 308, or a 30/06.

Great info for sure. They have changed the laws here in Mississippi for "primitive" weapons season." The requirements say now you can use a metallic cartridge, breech loading, exposesed hammer rifle of at least 35 caliber or larger during Primitive weapons season. I picked up a H&R 35 Whelen this weekend. It's not the nicest rifle around but it'll fit my needs perfectly. I haven't shoot it yet and was wondering a little about the recoil.

Terry

I turned my savage 110 bolt gun in 30-06 to a 35 Whelen(did it myself with the barrel wrench, A&B barrel route) and i havent noticed any difference in recoil. If your going for deer stick to the 200gr bullets as they will open up a little better than a 225gr or 250gr. Factory ammo seems to be a little anemic, if you handload, a 200gr core-lokt spire point, or 200gr Hornady spire point, work pretty good. Round nose bullets also work well especially in thick woods and they open up a little quicker.

My 35 Whelen Imp. really isn't that bad loaded with 225 grn bullets. I just don't like shooting it off the bench a lot do to the position you are in shooting off the bench. In the field hunting I've never noticed anything unpleasant about it.

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Originally posted by fgulla:
I turned my savage 110 bolt gun in 30-06 to a 35 Whelen(did it myself with the barrel wrench, A&B barrel route) and i havent noticed any difference in recoil. If your going for deer stick to the 200gr bullets as they will open up a little better than a 225gr or 250gr. Factory ammo seems to be a little anemic, if you handload, a 200gr core-lokt spire point, or 200gr Hornady spire point, work pretty good. Round nose bullets also work well especially in thick woods and they open up a little quicker.

I also bought a 100ct box of the Hornady 200gr FXP .300 BC (leverRevolution) bulk bullets. I've got an old Spear manuel that say's I should be able to push them around 2700FPS safely. The ballistics look great compared to the .45-70 that I used last year.

Terry

I shoot my Whelen from the bench often. While I think it may recoil more than a stout load with a 180 grain bullet in the 30-06, I don't know if it is enough to be of a concern. On the elk I have shot with the Whelen, I can't remember anything about the shot, except, that when I came out of recoil the elk were dead at the spot.

You could also shoot 38 cal pistol bullets in it and work up that way if you choose.

Jerry

As mentioned above, I don't notice much difference between the 06 and Whelen, especially when shooting off hand - provided rifles are of similar weight.

Before I bought my Whelen, I mostly shot a 30/06 with 180 grain bullets. My Whelen and 30-06 are both Remington 700s. I don't notice much difference when shooting 200 and 225 grain bullets, but I do notice when shooting the 250 grain bullets. It isn't painful, but I definitely notice the extra kick.

I shoot the 200gr bullets for deer.Like was said when you get up in weight it does recoil a little bit more.
I load rl-15 and imr 30-31 with all bullet weights.
You will like it me thinks.

Don't worry about the recoil.

Perceived recoil is not just a mathamatical formula.

It really depends on stock fit, type of recoil pad and shooting position.

I have had old Krags loaded with 220 gr bullets in military stocks with metal but plates "tease" my shoulder a hell of lot more than my 35 Whelen shooting 250 gr bullets (THE IDEAL 35 Whelen bullet) with a well fitted stock and good recoil pad.

I just do not see much difference in felt recoil shooting a 35 Whelen and a 30-06.

An interesting side bit on recoil. I have a friend who was complaining about the recoil of his 300 Win Mag. One day at the range I asked him to shoot 5 rounds from my 338 RUM. He never complained about recoil from his 300 Win Mag ever again, and in fact jokes that he needs to shoot the 338 RUM at least once a year to "recalibrate" his sensitivity to recoil.

Bottom Line: Depends on what you shoot, and how much you shoot.

Barstooler

I shot my grandson's old Savage 110 30-06 that had a stock made for iron sights. It kicked like a mule. The one 35 Whelen I have shot was no where near as bad as the O6 with the old stock and no pad.

I would rate it as a substantial step up.

I bought a Rem Classic in 35 Whelen a long time ago. Supposed to be my elk rifle to go with my 270. Loaded up some 225 and 250gr bullets. Went to the range and started shooting groups. The recoil was more than I liked and got a little jumpy on the trigger.

I sold it, and a 338WM I tried after that.

I ended up going with a 338-06 and 210gr NP's and TSX's. Couldn't be happier.

I have a couple of 9.3x64 Brennekes that are appropriate weight and a 404 Jeffery. I enjoy shooting them, so I am not averse to recoil.

If you get a Whelen, just make sure it has a little weight to it. I would think 8.5 to 9 lbs to help with the punch.

Of course I learn the finer details of recoil after I sell my Whelen and 338 WM. Live and learn.

It would be hard to sell me a 35 Whelen with the fine 9,3x62 available with appropriate twist for even the 320gr bullets.

The sweet double in the picture is a Chapuis 9,3x74R, it's ballistic twin.


Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by sam184:
Just a question. I have shot a 30/06 and a 270. I have never shot a 35 whelen and do not know anyone who has. Where does the recoil fit in with the two cals i listed above?

Much depends on gun fit stock type and gun wt. I found it quite noticeable in light wt. rifle early Ruger 77.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
It would be hard to sell me a 35 Whelen with the fine 9,3x62 available with appropriate twist for even the 320gr bullets.

The sweet double in the picture is a Chapuis 9,3x74R, it's ballistic twin.


Rich
DRSS

You like green apples some out there like me prefer redish
ones. From practical point of view the two cartridges are pretty much identical. I also prefer Model 700 'Classic' to CZ550.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
It would be hard to sell me a 35 Whelen with the fine 9,3x62 available with appropriate twist for even the 320gr bullets.

The sweet double in the picture is a Chapuis 9,3x74R, it's ballistic twin.

Rich
DRSS

I opted for the 9.3X62 when I built my bolt gun. Then, for some strange reason I felt like I needed a .338-06 so I had one of those built and now with the primative weapons season rules change in MS. I now own a .35 Whelen to meet the caliber and firearm requirements set by this new law.

On the recoil issue the .338-06 is a real tame cat with 210gr bullets and the 9.3X62 is about as hard as I care to be kicked by a rifle. I'm not much into recoil. I'm guessing the recoil will probably be around 9.3X62 levels because it's an H&R Handi rifle and a little on the light side and I plan on pushing the bullets hard.

Terry

How come there can NEVER be a post about the 35 Whelen where someone has to come in and mention the 9.3X62????

The 35 Whelen is so cheap and easy to load for because of the 30-06 parent case, plus one can use pistol and cast bullets for small game and practice. In my book, there is no competition, the 35 whelen wins hands down.

Mine has a 1-14" rate, not optimun, but i paid $125 for the barrel, and its very accurate. Woodleigh makes a 310gr bullet and i have found 300grainers(hawk) as well as the 280gr(swift A frame)275gr (Hawk)270gr(North Fork) so bullets are right there with the 9.3 theres not an animal in the world that could tell the difference

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How come there can NEVER be a post about the 35 Whelen where someone has to come in and mention the 9.3X62????

Ha! They're just too close not too.

Terry

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Originally posted by fgulla:
How come there can NEVER be a post about the 35 Whelen where someone has to come in and mention the 9.3X62????

The 35 Whelen is so cheap and easy to load for because of the 30-06 parent case, plus one can use pistol and cast bullets for small game and practice. In my book, there is no competition, the 35 whelen wins hands down.

Mine has a 1-14" rate, not optimun, but i paid $125 for the barrel, and its very accurate. Woodleigh makes a 310gr bullet and i have found 300grainers(hawk) as well as the 280gr(swift A frame)275gr (Hawk)270gr(North Fork) so bullets are right there with the 9.3 theres not an animal in the world that could tell the difference

Like I have posted elsewhere...they just can't resist a 35 Whelen thread, like moths drawn to a flame but really resemble a bunch of Jehovah Witnesses that keep knocking on the door.

Barstooler

You know Sam asked about the recoil of the 35 Whelen, his specific topic. I fail to see how Idaho's comment on the 9.3 is helpfull to Sam, or anyone else here. You know it might just be me, but the Whelen, offers American History, which makes it very attractive.

Jerry

Maybe we should start to consistently pull the same type of crap the 9.3 X 62 crowd does.

Everytime a 35 Whelen man sees a new post that is dedicated to 9.3 caliber, rifles, or bullets lets just start injecting needless, off-the-wall, and unwanted 35 Whelen comments.

After a while, maybe these 9.3 "zealots" will get the "big picture."

Barstooler

I didn't know there was a 9.3 crowd and a .35 Whelen crowd here.

Interesting.

Terry

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Originally posted by TC1:
I didn't know there was a 9.3 crowd and a .35 Whelen crowd here.

Interesting.

Terry

Really???

May want to check out this thread:

http://forums.accuratereloadin.../3221043/m/823107306

and then do a "search" for any thread that has "35 Whelen" or "338-06" in the title and examine the 9.3 X 62 INJECTs.

Then do a "search" for any thread with "9.3 X 62" as the lead and notice there are very few 35 Whelen fans injecting off-the-wall bullshit into those threads.

Kind of like this::::::

"Knock, knock"

"Who's there?"

"9.3 X 62 zealot."

"Go away."

"No."

"Please go away. I don't want one."

"No. I have to show you that you should take a $1,300 custom 35 Whelen and sell it for a piece of shit CZ in 9.3 X 62 because you get 5% more energy and you can legally hunt with it in Africa."

"Is that your entire argument? I don't give a shit about hunting in Africa"

"Well you need to get one anyway because the Whelen should never have been invented."

"Go away."

"I refuse to go away. I know that I am right and anyone using a Whelen needs to bow down and worship the 9.3"

"Please go away"

"No. I have dedicated my life to stalking the AR forums for any 35 Whelen thread and showing them the error of their ways."

"Please, Please, really you need to go away."

"Not until my mission is complete and every 35 Whelen owner on the AR has my unwanted opinions stuffed up their fundamental orifices."

"Then, eat shit and die."

"I will eat shit if you agree to buy a 9.3 and I am willing to die if you agree to recant the Whelen and buy two 9.3s."


Am I off by very much -- "the Whelen crowd"?

Barstooler

Sounds childish.

Terry

It may sound childish, but it is quite true.

Also, the OP only concerned recoil of a 35 Whelen.

Nothing at all asked about a 9.3 anything!

I use a tang safety model 77 Ruger, that I had rebarreled with a 26 inch barrel, as I did not like the guns performance with the 22 inch factory barrel.

As for a hunting load, I prefer a 225 grain Barnes "X" out of my rifle.

I don't or haven't noticed any real difference between my Whelen and the "06's I have shot.

One thing that keeps being mentioned are the reduced loads using .357/.358 pistol bullets, especially cast bullets.

While I have never tried it, I have had several discussions with folks who have used such loads with excellent success on white tails.

The 9.3x62 round is an excellent round, as is my favorite the 375 H&H, but neither were asked about, so mentioning them only detracts from the original question asked.

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Originally posted by TC1:
Sounds childish.

Terry

Real life can often be childish some times. But that is not my problem, just a repeated observation. Is it the action's of unwanted zealots, or the reporting of the observation of those actions that is childish?

Barstooler

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Originally posted by sam184:
Just a question. I have shot a 30/06 and a 270. I have never shot a 35 whelen and do not know anyone who has. Where does the recoil fit in with the two cals i listed above?

Look for second hand Remington 700 Classic or BDL deluxe in very good condition. They have well-designed stock and can still be found at prices most can afford. If you find one at fair price buy it quickly as they tend to fly off gun
racks quickly.
Old Rugers are also nice. I have even seen one with laminated stock and to this day regret not buying it. It would have saved me bunch of cash
as I would have never bought .375H&H or 9.3x62 which are now long gone.

My M700 Classic 35 Whelen has a recoil between a 30-06 and a 300 Win Mag, not bad at all.

JD338

Barstooler:

You are right on! I really cracked up at your posts in regards to the 9.3X62 boys. It's very true, and very tiring.
good job!

Jerry

quote:

"Knock, knock"

"Who's there?"

"9.3 X 62 zealot."

"Go away."

"No."

"Please go away. I don't want one."

"No. I have to show you that you should take a $1,300 custom 35 Whelen and sell it for a piece of shit CZ in 9.3 X 62 because you get 5% more energy and you can legally hunt with it in Africa."

"Is that your entire argument? I don't give a shit about hunting in Africa"

"Well you need to get one anyway because the Whelen should never have been invented."

"Go away."

"I refuse to go away. I know that I am right and anyone using a Whelen needs to bow down and worship the 9.3"

"Please go away"

"No. I have dedicated my life to stalking the AR forums for any 35 Whelen thread and showing them the error of their ways."

"Please, Please, really you need to go away."

"Not until my mission is complete and every 35 Whelen owner on the AR has my unwanted opinions stuffed up their fundamental orifices."

"Then, eat shit and die."

"I will eat shit if you agree to buy a 9.3 and I am willing to die if you agree to recant the Whelen and buy two 9.3s."


Am I off by very much -- "the Whelen crowd"?

Barstooler

Too fucking true

quote:

Originally posted by fgulla:
How come there can NEVER be a post about the 35 Whelen where someone has to come in and mention the 9.3X62????

The 35 Whelen is so cheap and easy to load for because of the 30-06 parent case, plus one can use pistol and cast bullets for small game and practice. In my book, there is no competition, the 35 whelen wins hands down.

Mine has a 1-14" rate, not optimun, but i paid $125 for the barrel, and its very accurate. Woodleigh makes a 310gr bullet and i have found 300grainers(hawk) as well as the 280gr(swift A frame)275gr (Hawk)270gr(North Fork) so bullets are right there with the 9.3 theres not an animal in the world that could tell the difference

Guy I sold my CZ550 to thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. When I threw in couple boxes of Norma factory ammo he was in "heaven". It was nice accurate rifle.

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Originally posted by Barstooler:

Am I off by very much -- "the Whelen crowd"?

Actually, you're spot on. And thanks for saying it. But then what can we expect from such folks who's continual response to a member who came here with a criticism of why it took months to consummate an ARbay transaction is: "Frank Martinez is my friend."

My experience is only with Remington's 760/7600 pump guns in 270, '06, and 35 Whelen. I can feel a recoil increase of least to most; 130gr, 270Win, 180gr, '06, and 250gr, 35 Whelen. Not an objectionable difference, but a noticeable one to be sure. It might be more so if the Whelen gun was not MagnaPorted. So it all depends on what bullet weights are being compared. Anyone who says they can't feel a difference between them must be numb to any recoil sensation.

I agree; 250gr bullets really make the Whelen a thumper.

Calibre arguments: ah, jeez.

Would someone please post the names of each and every animal on planet Esarth that might know the difference between being shot with a .35 Whelen and a 30.06/200?

Thank you.

Guys:

If anyone is looking for a nice Whelen, send me a PM. I have a really nice Remington Classic that I would like to sell. I just have too many guns (if that is possible) and I need to make some room. I also have a bunch of cases, bullets, and dies that I would like to sell as well. If you are intterested, I will put together an inventory of what I have and make a package deal for you.

Dave, a 35 Whelen...how does that compare to a 9.3x62 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Biebs:

I love them both. No way are you dragging me into this fight