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I have been looking alot lately for a good M-98 to put a new barrel and stock on and make myself a nice sporter. The problem is I don't have a ton of knowledge of which ones are best to sport. Of the large ring Mausers, which are the best to look for? My local gunshop is big and has a river of mausers in the $200 range. The other problem is remembering what to look for when i do see a couple. I've been doing alot of reading on the subject but here i can see some photos of examples from thos who have done it already. On the other side i've had people tell me that it's not worth the money and i may as well start with a new action instead of rehardening or reworking an old one. What are your thoughts? | ||
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For your first Mauser look to a used MKX, Daly or FN. By the time you buy a $200 mauser and convert it to a sporter you will be way past the cost of a commercial Sporter M98 action. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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It's not a poor man's sport.....and I'm not suggesting anything.....it's just that one can own a new M-70 (about $700) for less than the cheapest Mauser build you can find or do yourself! That said.....If you really want to build one I suggest you find a VZ-24 (Czech made) or any German made Mauser with dates from 1924 to 1943 (WWII rifles) Other fine Mausers are J C Higgins guns and FN models made in Belguim. If you watch the classifieds here you will occasionally find a good deal on a Mauser donor. A friend once said of a boat; it's a hole in the water in which you sink money.....well a Mauser is the same to land.....but we love them anyway! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Thanks Vapo, I understand it's not cheap. I just like them. I actually have a couple that have been nicely done by my wifes grandfather about 40 years ago that i should snap some photos of and put em up here. I just like the Mauser rifles and have always wanted to build one. They are just a piece of art really. Isn't that why they were so copied? I was going to build a custom from a Sako i had but i sold it and still have the money in an envelope with a ? on it, lol. I do have a nice Sako AV in 30-06 that i am thinking of turning into a 338-06. I'm just tossing things around. I have alot of good shooting nice rifles but nothing custom to round out my safe.I was talking to a gunsmith called Westpac that did some work for Woods about rebarreling a sako 75 before but i sold that rifle instead. I will probably see if he still wants the work when i decide what i want. I may have the Sako rebarreled first then dive into a mauser. I'm undecided at this point. | |||
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You can get a military mauser for around $200 but by the time your gun smith gets done with it you could have bought a lightly used m70. Check out Montana Rifles and the 1999 action. I got a custom quote for a barreled action for around $1350. Captain Finlander | |||
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I agree completely with this. CDNN investments is closing out remington 798's in 243 for $399. It's the same commercial zastava mauser as the MK X and charles daly. It's a full length action, they use the same action for the .243 as the 30-06, etc. Buy one of those as a starting point and you'll save a bunch of $$$$ over some butchered up military mauser. 50 years ago it made sense to sporterize a military mauser, today there are much better options out there. | |||
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I almost agree with what's been said, but I have some reservations. I'm not clear on what you are looking for. You didn't mention caliber for example. Also I'm not clear on whether you are talking about a decent good shooting rifle, or something sorta classy, with great walnut, etc. Anyway, I'll post a couple of examples, which someone likely has more money into them than can be recovered in resale. There are examples like this frenquently on GB. The trick of course is sorta know what you are looking at, and even then the purchase can be a mistake. You won't really know until you've messed with it and shot it, and handeled it some. http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=197722367 http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=197448962 Either one of the above Mausers could be a good deal. It depends on lots of things - the final price for starters, and whether they feed right, accuracy, trigger quality, etc. Both look like they were drilled and tapped correctly. The seller of the 7x57 sent me another picture showing the scope base holes, and they appear to me to be positioned correctly. The nice thing is you can try one or both, probably for less than you will have in one custom made. If they work out - great. If not sell and try again. BTW, I have two Mauser custom rifles built on MK X actions, and they ain't cheap by the time you're done. I never did like the MK X safety or trigger, and a proper replacment is expensive - Gentry and Timney - for example. IMO, if you go with a MK X/Charles Daly/Rem 798 action, you are basically buying a reciever, bolt and bottom metal, which still puts you way ahead of a military action sporterized that far. With a complete rifle, you have a stock and barrel already too. IMO, you have to buy a nice trigger and safety either way, whether mil-surp or commercial action. either will likely need bedding, unless you get one of the so-called drop in stocks. Better to start with a CZ 550, complete rifle, and have a gunsmith bed it, etc. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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its about 800-1000 on top ofwhat you pay for an milsurp action that being said, my personal favs are 1910 or 1936 mexican mausers cv-24 .. this is likely the best ones that aren't 1909 arg or 1908 peru/brazilians for building a sporter, you are miles ahead either getting a markx/rmington/charlesdaly action (this are all made from the same factory) or an interarms mauser (pay $200 more than any of the actions so far mentioned, due to bottom metal, trigger, and safety and be miles and miles ahead) or buy someone else's dream build, at no more than 50 cents on the dollar. all that being said, buy a win70 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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It really depends if you're looking for a rifle or trying to get a lot of enjoyable hours from a project.If you have access to machinery and are capable much of the metal work you can do. A&b or Shaw barrels are not that expensive and I've found have decent hunting accuracy. Something like a seconds Richarson stock can give you a lot of happy time with rasp and sand paper. Even reworking the military stocks can be a blast.  Now if you just want a pretty rifle that shoots good ,at a good price, the advice from the rest of the forum is point on  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I would hardly consider that 7X57 a true "custom". "Sporterized" yes, "custom", no. It has a 20" military barrel that can be bought quite cheaply from Numrich & a military non hinged floorplate. It also has a Mark-II safety that is the cheapest "scope" type safety. It can be bought for under $20 & installed in less than 15 minutes by anyone handy W/tools. That gun coud be built for not much more than the current bid. The stock is a cheap "sporter" type, probably a $75 stock. I could build that gun for less than $500 doing the D&T'ing & bolt handle myslf. IMO, better off to start W/a clean slate. BTW, I think you could find a doner action for a lot less than $200. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I suppose i wasn't that clear on what i wanted out of the gun. I'm not looking for a show winning safe queen. Just an accurate fun to shoot rifle in somthing other than 30 cal with the exception of 338-06. The 338-06 i would like to be a nicer rifle but if i end up starting a project with a new barreled action i suppose it could be a nice rifle then. The Remington 798 looks like a good action to start with however I just have a bad taste in my mouth for Remingtons. At the current time i don't own a single Remington. It's worth taking another look at though. | |||
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The 8X57 when loaded to similar pressure will rival the 338-06 in energy & shoot just a bit flatter. W/the right powder you can expect about 2730 fps from a 200gr Nosler partition @ 60,000 psi. That's 3300 ft# of muzzle energy W/a bullet that has a BC of .426. That combo will shot + or - 3" out beyond 275yds & carry over a ton of energy @ those distances. The 98K military barrel will turn down quite nicely.  If the military barrel has a good throat & bore, a crown job should yield this sort of accuracey @ 100yds after re-contouring like in the photo above. NOTE: The powder charge is mis-labeled. it should read 53.5gr of Vv N550, not 63.5!  GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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That's why I posted it here. I'm not bidding on it or the other one either, or any old Mauser - if that tells you anything.  As I said, I would rather have a CZ 550. So I just bought one in 7x57, and paid near full retail price for it, which will be cheaper in the long run than building one, and just as satisfying to me. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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I did a VZ24 in 9,3x62 a few years ago because I had never really "customized" a mauser before...and for the fun and experience... I picked up a very nice VZ from my favorite gunstore for $225, Lothar Walther prefit barrel $200 plus change...already over what CDNN wants...synthetic stock $125, bolt shroud, Timney trigger, front and rear sights... ~$200...all items were the cheapest I could find and I did all the machine work on the receiver, sights, etc...and an Aluma-Hyde camo paint job to save the cost of bluing...~$50 bucks...that stuff is pricey. I originally sporterised the military stock to save bucks, but it never quite fit or looked quite right so I did the cheapest synthetic stock I could find. With a scope I stay around 1" with 286 gr bullets, slightly smaller with 270 gr, but I ended up making a receiver ghost ring sight instead...this isn't a realy long range cartridge anyway. It's a bit rough as I didn't do a lot of polishing, it was designed as a backup/pickup/knockabout shooter... If you can't do the machine work...add another few hundred. There are tons of DGR style guns floating around for half the amount I paid to DIY and a new Win70 is much prettier in the eyes of most beholders. Think about it...everyone I know gets the Mauser build urge. I think we all should do at least ONE in our lifetimes...early on...to get it out of our systems so we can settle down.   Luck | |||
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I have to admit that after spending $200 for a semi inletted English Walnut stock I have nearly as much in my budget custom M98 as a new factory gun, (about $600) but I get great satifaction in having a 1 of a kind rifle.  GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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the charles daley's come with adjustable triggers, and all the work done. the rem 798 is basically the same thing just with laminated stocks and about 300.00 tacked on. those 243's above sound like a good deal actually, you might have to change the magazine slightly for a longer round but all the basics are already there. bent and shaped handle, boottom metal.safety.trigger,d&t for scope etc. | |||
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Easier, maybe, classier, no way. Besides, despite all the Interarms, Charles Daly, Remington, Zastava actions come with, they are not as true as a good military Mauser action. It's a trade off. Me, I prefer to build mine on a good milsurp action. Vapodog gave good advice as to which to seek out for minimal issues. Those actions on the whole are much less likely to need recarburising.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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I think that once it's in your system, it really doesn't go away. With time a guy just learns to pace himself, and practice resistance to the urge to accumulate. My problem is the projects are stacked up. It's getting better though. At one time I had about 18 Mauser actions in various stages of work in progress. That was a bit much. I actually had a spreadsheet so I could keep up with them all. I still have it, but a lot more have moved from the in process section to the completed section, and many have dissapeared because I sold them. A lot of other types of actions have taken their place too, such as Rugers, CZ 550s, Winchester 70s, etc. But there still isn't any that feel as right as a smooth vz 24, or FN, or even a well worn MK X. I bought one MK X at a gun show that actually had a shot out barrel. It's very smooth, and is a joy to shoot with its new 280 barrel. Of course it now wears a Blackburn trigger, and a Dakota safety. Although it was painful to sell so many of them, the good thing is that I think I have enough left to keep me going for the duration. I shouldn't run out, in other words. That's reassuring somehow. It would be very bad to run out of Mauser projects. I don't even want to think about it. It's good to discuss these things out, ya know, kinda like they do at the AA meetings. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Yes it is from GAG. It's their "Oberndorf Classic". GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I have a couple of VZ 500 (new) commercial actions & they are not near as smooth as the 1938/1943 era milsurp 98Ks I have. Thousands of bolt cycles & rounds fired through them make those milsurps slicker 'n snot on a doorknob! GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I have 4 cartridges of interest just because or for lack of know better but they are all good. I also like the wildcats so i'll give a list of what i'm thinking. They consist of 6.5x55 Swede, 257 AI, 338-06, and 280AI. I think any of these would make a nice build but i am leaning more towards the wildcats. I'm not sure on what to do yet and if i chose a wildcat i'd have to rebarrel a gun anyways. The only thing that could keep me from building somthing is i have a Sako AV in 30-06 that just isn't shooting worth a hill of beans and i have tried several different bullet/powder combo's through it. I'm just not sure if i want to keep the Sako in 30-06 or rebarrel in another caliber. I don't know how the heck you guys decide what you want with so many options, It's kinda tough. | |||
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There's a 6.5X55 A. I. too. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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If you can do much of the machine work (especially beyond barrel fitting), doing a Mauser even as a practical rifle is very satisfying. Custom scope mounts do add something special to the build. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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Thanks for the advise 22WRF. It's not about the money, Hell anyone can pay to have everything done. I have some nice to me guns, Sako's, Beretta shotguns, Benelli. A couple of them are several thousand dollar guns but i have children 9 and 4 now that need things more than i need a 5,000 dollar rifle so i'm not going to say i don't have cost in mind. I have looked over the guns my wifes grandfather built and i have an itch to build what will be my sons someday and he can say hey, my dad built this for me. Thats not to say he'd be just as pleased with a Sako or some other make. I'm not rich if your talking dollars but i have a heart the size of Texas and i take great pride in doing things myself. Sometimes i need help or guidence, others not so much but i'm not afraid to ask what may seem like a dumb question to others. I have thick skin. I'm going to build somthing, i am just doing my homework so i don't make a costly mistake. | |||
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Good on you, thats how most of us get the bug...I'll bet you end up with a nice project, if not, there is always the next build! _____________________ Steve Traxson | |||
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I inherited several minty WWII k98 bring backs from my late father and his brother. They were very choosey and pickey on these bring backs, and of the lot, I have a very nice J.P. Sauer that is mechanically perfect as if built yesterday. Being I own the lot and have not one cent invested, I'm sacrificing this Sauer to build a short carbine/scout wilderness rifle using much of the factory parts along with leftover commercial parts from other projects. The stock has ample material to reduce weight while maintaining huge volumes of strength with a very stiff forend. Just rough shortening/trimming the stock, I've got it lighter than a standard McMillan with the rifle below 8 pounds without touching the barreled action. Removal of the sights, shortening the barrel, use of lightweight ghost/peep sights, further trimming and relieving on the k98 laminate, and trimming the military bottom metal; I should easily get this rifle under the 7.7-pound scout rifle benchmark. If PTG ever comes out with their machined aluminum Mauser bottom metal, the rifle will easily lose a good chunk of weight. Using a stout 200grain Partition loading along with the basic military configuration on the action, I expect this rifle to turn out rough and tumble "bomb proof" with ample horsepower to handle most any NA big game chore. These are not pic of the exact rifle, but rough visual guidelines I made to pattern the barrel and stock. Using leftover commercial parts from other projects, I expect to spend basically zero on this project.  Military configuration  Carbine/Scout configuration | |||
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I have actually looked at those and watched the clips on youtube from AGI and thought about buying them. Thanks alot for the offer but i don't usually borrow things. If somthing happens to one of them (I have a 3 year old that thinks pulling tape out is fun) Then i owe you.lol Thanks again. | |||
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I was online looking at a gunsmithing website in Clio Alabama that offers this. Any thoughts? Experimenters Special No. 2 We will furnish a Model 98 Mauser action with an Adams & Bennett barrel chambered for a standard cartridge (wildcats included) of your choice for $350. For Magnums Add $35. No long magnums. We can also do any action alterations you desire. See our “gunsmithing” section for pricing. We are often asked if we will help do part of a job that a customer is not able to do and he will then finish the job. One that comes to mind is fitting and welding on a new bolt handle and then letting the owner clean up the excess weld and finish the polishing. The answer is YES and we will provide simple instructions on how to do it. Many years ago (51) we got interested in guns and our very first job was refinishing a stock on a Stevens “Crackshot” cal 22 rifle. I was nine years old and always knew that rifle shot a little a little better after that. So if you want try it yourself we understand and will be glad to help. Tell us what you want to do and we will try to assist. This is the website http://www.cliogunshop.com/doityourself.htm | |||
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don't forget about the 7x57 ackley as a possibility. i have one in a push feed winchester [my go to hunting rifle] and one heavy bbl on a mauser [oberndorf]action. i also have a brno mauser action in 25-06 which i took a deer with this year. and i am building another rifle on a brazilian mauser action [have an A&B bbl in 7mm in the closet and an ackley reamer] but i am thinking about going totally in another direction with a 30 cal bbl in 13-14 twist, but havent deciced on a case yet. something in the 40 gr case capacity range though. | |||
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Any thoughts? Yes, you get what you pay for and often you pay for what you get! Unless you plan to do a Milsurp right, you are better off finding a commercial mauser and rebarrelling if you don't like the current chambering. Building a good Mauser isn't cheap, but then again, a "good" mauser is priceless! If you want cheap, get a factory rifle. Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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My best advice is to listen to z1r. Below are some pictures of a recent purchase. It's a CZ 550 Minnesota model, which is drilled and tapped for scope bases (Remington 700) rather than the groved receiver. It's unusual enough to be a difficult sell, so I snagged it for a price about the same as the Rem 798 rifle, and less than I would estimate you'll have into just a sporterized mil-surp action only. This is why I was not interested in the two Mauser examples in my earlier post. This rifle comes ready to shoot. I'll know more about it when I can get some ammo loaded and get to the range. Also, I'm waiting on scope bases, which I had to order twice, since the first set isn't going to work out well with ring spacing and eye relief, etc. To me it's as good as any small ring Mauser. Actually I think it's better. Steel bottom metal, good trigger, barrel, stock, three-position safety, forged & milled receiver, control round feed. It's just simply difficult to do better, even for three or four times the money. The nice thing is that if it proves out to not be an accurate rifle, then I can use it as a donor action. I bought it cheap enough, so that if it actually shoots well, that's a bonus. The stock could use an upgrade, but it's good enough for now, to get started. Just shop, you too can find something that suits you, for a good deal. I can't possibly buy them all.      ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Thats a nice little 550 you bought. I was just curious as to what Clio could be offering for $350.00. I didn't say i was buying it. You see alot of offers for M98's and I'm sure they probably aren't the best quality jobs. I was mainly looking for peoples thoughts but i already knew i suppose what they were going to be. | |||
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It's kinda not fair to second-guess Cilo's product. However, I'm skeptical when it comes to Mauser action work, and I get the impression many are. The reason for this is having seen so many butcher jobs. The worse violator is the forged bolt handles, IMO. It's easy to screw up the sporter conversion, apparantly, since so many were screwed up. I don't have time now to review the info, but as I remember, it looked like the offer was for an unaltered mil-surp action with an A&B barrel for the $350. I don't know if it's headspaced or not. Many folks have considered Mauser sporter conversion, and often the first experience isn't a good one, all because of choosing the wrong gunsmith - and not knowing any better until too late, money spent. I already recommended who to talk with. And I already recommended alternative actions or complete rifles. It's up to you. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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 This is sound advise,MAYBE? If you're looking to gain experience your first efforts do not have to be great.  You will gain a whole lot of info by some research and just doing it and getting your feet wet. Mistakes some times can be the most enduring and rewarding teachers. So you screw up a little....So what? Live your life not someone elses. It doesn't have to be an either or way to do it. If you are not ,yet, an old fart you'll have time to go gain experience and buy what you want when you can. Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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You might be right, KB...beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it only takes one mauser mess to cure the disease I think. Being on a fixed income stops my buying but not the itch. If you look at it from an economic view you're missing all the rest of the panorama, all the rest of the gained knowledge and the sense of accomplishment...all for the dollar. I think it is a poor trade. If I ever find the pot at the end of the rainbow I would have a new shop, a dozen craftsmen and end up with a few tons of...things I think are "beautiful"....hahahahahahahahahah All the fuss over "what is" and "what isn't" is just individual "narrowed views" and again, misses all the rest of the picture. But that is what makes arguments and wars. Luck | |||
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The Sako would be a nice platform for building your custom gun on. Here's mine, it's an L61R which is basically the same as your AV. It has served me well.       ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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Here's my solution to the conversion of a mil surp Mauser action to a sporter. All that is left from original is the receiver, and bolt stop. All other parts are commercial. The first one is a successful conversion, and a shooter. The others are work in process, and have been for a long time. This way, I get the satisfaction of a conversion, but without much of the room for error and headache, but it comes with a cost. Surely, I could have bought a commercial action for far less than accumulating the parts. The pay-off is that I'm assured of success, and less room for gunsmith error. And the heart of it is still a piece of history with nostalga. They are still the real deal - true Mausers, c-ring, and all, just with some up-graded parts, nothing lost, all gain. Another good aspect is that all three of these receivers are from a time period and place when the heat treatment was adequate, so the probability of set-back in the lugs is low. I have no intention of re-heat treating these receivers. Instead, I'm going to barrel them all in Mauser cartridges, so that also means no feed rail work. One is going to become a 8x60S, but I haven't decided which one yet. I'm thinking of 7.65x53 in another, and perhaps 9.3x57. KB      ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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You're right, it isn't fair and i really didn't word that very well. I don't know anything about the work they do and what i meant and should have said was that what you get for 350.00 i'm guessing is a box stock 98 action that still needs all the refinements done to it. I am planning on calling them tomarrow just out of curiosity so i can post EXACTLY what you get for your 350.00. Bye the way, those are some mighty fine examples of Mausers Kabluewy! | |||
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