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Hey I bought the dang dies for it!  But they never made the rifles for it!  ..................DJ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Hey dj That has to be a collectors item!! Might be worth $35.00 in the far far future!  ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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.....The Lyman powder measure went tit's up in about 2 weeks. I Switched to a RCBS ammomaster and had no more issues. I do really like the RCBS trimmer and case prep center though...................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Just not sure I want anything with WSM or WSSM on it. Each one of them has something already in the power range that is equal or better. For me they are just another marketing gimmick. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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The 270 WSM is a 150-200fps faster than the 270 Winchester. The 270 Weatherby is rare. There's nothing near the 325 WSM. The 8x57 is a lot slower the 8magnum much faster. The 7 and 300 WSM's do duplicate other well proven rounds but in a short action rifle - this is a good thing. They are all excellent rounds...............DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Eight MM is the European equivalent of the .30 Cal. in both military and sporting rifles. European medium bores 9MM, 9.3MM, and 9.5MM. Best all around medium? Put me down for the 9.3X62. | |||
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na 9.3/62 250g or 286g according | |||
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 Too much for every day use? The premise is all of NA; the 338 will work for pecary to Bison. Maybe if your every day use was in Brown Bear territory your perspective would be different. That said, I vote for the 9.3 X62. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Perhaps I should have said "in available factory rounds" here in the states........................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Surprised there is no mention of the 338 RCM here! Best of both - 338 ballistics, short action, short handy rifle and its easily as good as the 338-06 and very close to the 325wsm with 338 bullets!  | |||
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Have any of you read the latest Hornady reloading manual in regards to the 325 WSM????????? I don't see any vested interest by Hornady in the cartridge. "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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Sadly non hard kicking Medium Bores have never faired well in the USA. Pity because they are some of the best "killers' of game on the Planet. I will admit, most have been introduced to stimulate sales, but baised on their balistics, they are great calibres for hunters... The 325 Win, 338 Federal 338/06, 358 Win, 350 Rem Mag [I had one for a while], 35 Whelen, and the 9,3x62 are GREAT hunting calibres. Baised on my use of the 9,3x74R, for Bolt Rifle Trash, the 9,3x62 just might be the best, but the others are great as well.DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Mike, hello to you & hope you had a good Holiday season; who's building your new .338-06?? By the way, I understand you also are acquainted with one Serge Engurasoff, I'm sorry about that  . It's a small world out there....Best Regards and talk to you soon, Craig Nolan Best Regards, Craig Nolan | |||
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"The knock on the 338 Win Mag is too heavy for the deer and antelope and every day stuff" That is complete, utter, bovine scatology.  I've shot 7 Sitka Blacktails with the 338 WM and 225 X bullets and not ONE deer complained about being shot with too heavy a bullet or too large a caliber! As has been said many times before...you can eat right up to the hole. Seriously though, when I hunt deer, caribou etc. there are generally big bears around so I'd prefer to shoot the 338 WM vs smaller calibers. If I lived in the lower 48, I would be content using a 30-06. | |||
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This is right in there with blondes and red-heads, and belongs in Walters forum. | |||
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I would have to agree with sep that the 338WM is a nice calibre to shoot and reassuring anywhere in NA. Recoil just isn't the issue. All guns go 'bang' and scare the central nervous system. The rest is simply getting used to things. My wife, maybe 120 lbs wet, shot my 338 with the comment, 'It jumps a little.' But it doesn't hurt anyone. (And my wife doesn't have a choice in Tanzan.) So yes, one gun for NA, I'd vote 338WM. I think Jim Carmichael would agree (See his 'Three guns to hunt the world".) Maybe even Jack O'C sometimes. But for those only hunting whitetail and pigs, they should pick a calibre they like for their conditions. the 338 can wait for them when they want a special elk and bear gun. And then they'd have two. Hmmm. What to do? I suppose that's the dilema of this forum. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Since I wouldn't be hunting grizzlies or brown bears, then the 260 Rem or 7/08 Rem would be my first two choices.. or if I was feeling 'international' then it would be the 6.5 x 55 and the 7 x 57... If you want to be "all American" then a good old 30/06.... | |||
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why no 375 H&H of appropriate construction and weight? | |||
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Yes indeed, the good old 8 X 57 can do anything the 338 Federal can do better when loaded to similar pressure. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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the 8x57 is a great round. A friend took a lion once with it while I was standing next to him. It has diameter and can push reasonable weights at about the ftlbs of a 30-06. But it lacks a bit on ranging qualities out at 300-400 yards. If you have one, you'll enjoy it and use it. It will be superb about 90% of the time. But if you recommend one calibre to someone who would purchase an allaround NA rifle, including elk moose and bears, then the 338 WM takes over. having better energy, weight, and ranging. And the 338 fits in standard actions and comes in 'common value' rifles. Price is not often considered in these discussions, but between the lines, I think a calibre should be offered 'plain hunting' rifles of say $1200 or less. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Now, that's sensible say. - Lars/Finland A.k.a. Bwana One-Shot | |||
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325 isn't so popular here lol guess I should go get one! Always wanted one, just haven't found the right deal yet. I have no WSM in the stable at the moment (wssm yes, wsm no). Still trying to choose between this and the 7 If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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If you want a WSM, I would recommend a 270WSM. Thought about it alot. There's no point in a 325 WSM when you can get the Tikka T3 in 338WM for serious punch, and put a scope on it for under 7.5 lb.However, the 270 WSM benefits from the inherent accuracy of the short cartridge and steps way out there for long shots. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Nothing wrong with the 325 WSM. I personally find my 300WM is more than capable for the situations you out lined and has the increased range I like. The cost on ammo makes my shy about the WSM compared WM, But as always if it's what you want go for it I'm sure I'll be happy. | |||
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The 9.3 is certainly as adequate as can be for meat hunters, but in most cases the bar has been raised by the availability of premium grade bullets. We have had a bullet revolution in the last decade, which means that smaller and faster calibers can be used with great effect, as bullet quality is such that the bullet does not shatter or loose a substantial portion of its weight. To give an example ... you will be surprised to see what a 175 gr 7 mm bullet in a Swift A-Frame can do in a 7x57mm that is generally regarded as caliber that is to be used by one's wife. Point is that she is shooting the same antelope as her husband, and it is effective up to Cape Eland size, given correct shot placement. We have never had it so good, there is such a wide choice of bullets available today. Most bullet manufacturers have either made improvements to their bullets or introduced another type of bullet. Most brands today have a premium bullet offering and no longer do we have to make do with conventional frangible bullets that are prone to fragmentation or shattering. The bullet does the actual killing. A premium bullet make all calibers better than yesteryear. Warrior | |||
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----------------------------------------------- I can not say how popular the WSM's are, but I do know a few others that own them. I personally, at first, did not have any interest in them. But, after acquiring a Kimber Montana in 325, I do find them interesting. Particularly in the Montana platform, I really like the scale of rifle to cartridge. By the end of the month,I hope to take delivery of a SS M70 in 7mm WSM. I have never really envisioned them replacing the standard cartridges. But, on their own merit, I think they are fine rounds; as are the others established rounds they are compared. As JWP stated the 8mm is neither fish nor fowl, I do not have issue with that. I view and refer to the 325 as an 8mm Winchester (and I think a fine one). The .30 cals are fine rounds but do not trip me trigger, the 7's and 8's do. The 338's are grand and I have a favorite one. No standard cartridges have been replaced in my safe, only supplemented. But heck, I like the 375 Ruger too; but have more H&H's and one of them is a favorite. No rational explanation, just my feelings. | |||
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Nothing wrong with the 325 WSM except the rebated rim, for which I have a considerable, though unsubstantiated distrust. I am going to get myself a 7,92 one sunny day, preferrably in my Krag, but probably in my Mauser. So cartrigde of choice will be 8x57 if in the Krag, or possibly 8x60 or 8x64 in the Mauser. As for larger calibers on deer, the ones I shot with my 358 Norma and 250grs Hornadys did not complain, they just fell down in an orderly fashion and showed no excessive damage done by this larger than 30-cal grenade. Charlie's listening! | |||
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Same as the 8mm-06, or 8x64 Brenneke. And I opt for that case anytime. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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Hard to believe this topic generates this much discussion. There is so much overlap in the performance of most of the calibers mentioned, there is essentially no difference. When it comes to hunting - THE HUNTER MATTERS MOST! Regards, AIU | |||
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Perhaps true. But if so it begs the question why would anyone ever need to bother with an Ackley Improved anything? :-) ............DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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"New best all around medium bore for NA...?" The 375 H&H  I realize the 375 H&H is outside the "medium bore 270-366 specs"..... but then that leaves only one choice... 9.3x74R in a DR with a QD scope DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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My vote goes to the .350 Rem mag! In my opinion the best of the short mags. My rifle gives 2870 fps with 225 grs Barnes TSX. Great effect on big game,with very little meat damage. Strange,this new short mag debate,as long as the best has been here for decades. | |||
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This whole hobby is not very practical - I have way more guns than I need, and I'm getting another one built. But then, why ask why? Regards, AIU | |||
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Good Answer! I don't know about you but I'm a gun NUT. I've used a lot weaker excuses than a few extra fps to get or build a new rifle. This is a hobby for fun! Why worry too much about absolute practicallity other than maybe as an excuse for discussion or YET another rifle! ......................DJ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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The least versitile of the WSMs.(270) Why is the 270 WSM embraced while the much more versitile 7mm WSM is all but ignored. 7mm WSM & 8mm WSM (325) would be a versitile duo covering everything from antelope to the great bears. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I shot the .325 WSM for a buddy that was taking his family to Africa for plains game and wanted to use it on the larger stuff such as Kudu and Eland. It performed very well for me using factory ammo. I zeroed their rifle and they were very complimentery of it's use in Africa. For myself, it cannot measure up to my .340 Wby, .338 Lapua and .358 STA's for that same purpose (I used one of my .358 STA's in the Selous). I like large bullets going fast with pinpoint accuracy. However I had the time to shoot it extensively for a couple of years prior to my hunt. In their case, four different shooter were to use the .325 WSM, two of which were teenagers, and it served them very well. ----- As for the .270 WSM, which I have two, for me, it is as good as and better than some of the medium chamberings through 7mm Rem, falling just below the 7mm STW. I have shot all the medium chamberings for years and this .270 WSM is something to behold. I am not judging what others have done, I am just saying that FOR ME, it's utility is very hard to beat with the range of .277 bullets available on todays market. I get 3462 fps from a Nosler Solidbase bullet with extreme accuracy, and 3260 fps with a 150 grain North Fork that will handle just about anything walking. Still when I consider the original question from Mike as to the best all around medium chambering, it has to be the .358 STA with bullets ranging from 185 grains up to 310 grains, and the bread and better 250 grain North Fork (or your favorite premium bullet) at 3000 fps. I will say if you are not prepared to shoot it extensively and get used to the recoil, stay on the porch. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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325 WSM has limited bullet selection to be the best. 338 RCM is better. 338 WSM would have been a better decision by Winchester. Why they went 8mm is baffling.  338 RCM: 160 gr. TTSX (deer, down load if wanted) 185 gr. TSX 210 gr. TTSX (excellent BC) 225 gr. TTSX (good for bears or bush moose and bush elk) 250 gr. TSX (If wanting absolute best hitting power for bears) | |||
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The 338 RCM looks great. what is its case capacity vis-a-vis 338WM? 338 WM is 86 grains water. (Not that I would need a new 388--we have a Tikka T3 that is 7.3lbs WITH scope and shoots under 1" in its sleep. But the 338 RCM sounds great.) +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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