who realy wanted sub performance on a short action???

imo the 338 is designed to put good heavy weight down range in a sleek high b.c. bullet...

what i think is the better short action is the 338-284...a 338-06 twin. yes the 338-06 is better in a few ways but if we are talking short action why not the 338-284??? i think the best thing you could do with a 338 federal is to rechamber it to a cart that will do 200 more fps over the federal. if i want fatter than a 308 i am going to 35...

why would you want a 338 fed over the 338-284???

Boomy,
Just been fiddling at home with 284Win cases necked up. The "problem" with the 284Win based 'cats seems to be the short-actions and their magazine box lengths.
A 375-284Win with 300gr Taipan RN measured 2.9" (ish) COL ... much too long for a Rem700, a bit long for the Ruger and a smidgin too long for a Savage. Going to see if my 'smith can do some lengthening as I want to try the 375-284 seeing as I have the dies, cases and projectiles
But if your going to feed it lighter (shorter) projectiles ... its gotta be better than the 338Federal.
Cheers...
Con

Con

You need to get yourself a decent rifle, like a Tikka for example. My 7mm-08 mag, that I have now converted to 284Win, measures 3.025". Meaning I can seat most of the long 7mm bullets so that their base is level with the base of the case neck. Perfect as far as i'm concerned.

As to the 338-284, I think it has alot of potential.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/wildcat_0612/

As to the 338 federal, I think it is an excellent cartridge, for those that want a bit more of a good thing than the 308, out to 300 yards or so.

Boomstick, I see your point, and IF the factories made rifles and ammo in 338/284, to avoid the more costly rebarrel and you would not have the 308 brass supply to work with......if I want 338-06 performance, I will just build one.

THE simplist thing for any 338 want is just get a Win Mag and put up with the recoil and increased weight of the rifles, sans Kimber....if you want a ultra light win mag....hold on if you do. Rifles and ammo are very available in win mag, it betters both 338F and 338/284.

It is all in what one needs, based on hunting conditions, etc, as well as preferences inc. recoil tolerance.

quote:

Originally posted by Con:
...A 375-284Win with 300gr Taipan RN measured 2.9" (ish) COL ... much too long for a Rem700, a bit long for the Ruger and a smidgin too long for a Savage. Going to see if my 'smith can do some lengthening.....Con

- a 284win case in arem700sa
Well theres your problem!
It belongs in its true home, a winM70sa, which has 3.08"box.



Above is m70sa-22/250 which I bought to rebarrel to 284win, I bought it specifically cause it has 3.08"box, although at the moment it has spacer&follower for 22/250. But if you look at WSMm70, they have no spacer.

Woodjack,
Is the 3.08" box standard or achieved with modification??? My post-64 M70 FWT with pushfeed action will only go 2.8" ... but then there's that spacer in the rear of the mag box that could be removed .
The Steven200 is also just a touch short.
Personally ... I'd never consider the 284 case on the Rem700 short-action as that's the most limiting of all I have!
Cheers...
Con

Con,
please read more above.
On the subject of your PFpost64m70, I had a PF-LApfm70-7x57fw that had a factory spacer also, but was still able to load her long at around 3.1"+,
put it this way,I got 55gn760win in her with 140gnBT. Im guessing you have a LApfM70 that has a bigger spacer for 308win??

quote:

Originally posted by Con:
Boomy,
Just been fiddling at home with 284Win cases necked up. The "problem" with the 284Win based 'cats seems to be the short-actions and their magazine box lengths.
A 375-284Win with 300gr Taipan RN measured 2.9" (ish) COL ... much too long for a Rem700, a bit long for the Ruger and a smidgin too long for a Savage. Going to see if my 'smith can do some lengthening as I want to try the 375-284 seeing as I have the dies, cases and projectiles
But if your going to feed it lighter (shorter) projectiles ... its gotta be better than the 338Federal.
Cheers...
Con

con, glad to see you doing a 375-284!

p.s. this is from another post you might want to consider...

what are your wildcat ideas for the ruger case???

besides a straight neck up what i think is a kindofa neet idea because of the .529 readings of the 375 ruger casehead (per white bison) and chamber slop is to shorten the ruger dies to form cases 2.17" (.41" shorter than the 2.58" case length) and make a short action 375 ruger by chambering to the depth 2.17" as well. the shoulder of the ruger is .515" so that means it has 13 thou body taper over its 2.1797" body length or approx 6 thou per inch of body and by shortening it by 1/2" that is losing 3 thou in body taper giving it the measured .529" casehead...so if my math is not "fuzzy" and my dimensions hold up this is a doable project with soon to be avaliable dies and reamers. it will have the same capacity as the wsm's and have a proper headstamp...well kinda. load it to get old school 375 h+h velocities. and have fun in a super light weight compact handy rifle. call it the 375 ruger short.

the 375-284 should get 300 @ 2400 which is all you need. the 375 ruger short should get you 300@ 2500



p.s. look how cute the 375-284 is! on the far right

Woodjack,
Thanks ... I'll take a closer look and work out exactly what it is I've got. I couldn't pull her apart anyway as it's currently my favourite rifle in 358Win!

On the issue of magazine box lengths ... my Ruger MkII S/S in 350RemMag I've just discovered wont hold a 310gr Woodleigh and fit the magazine box . She's off for some cosmetic surgery tomorrow to open her up

Boomy,
Not building the 375/284Win just yet. Looking for a take-off 375cal barrel first! If I find one it'll happen ... otherwise the next project may just be a 0.411" on a 300RUM (Brno602). A 411/284 is damn tempting but if 2100fps isnt achieveable with a 400gr at sane pressures I want nothing to do with it! Meanwhile I've just paid off a CZ550 in 416Rigby and am still fiddling with the 375-08. Damn this wildcatting is FUN!!!
Cheers...
Con