quote:

Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I'm disappointed to read that the 35 Whelen is a failure. I was really looking forward to load development and testing, then hunting with this one.

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I know, isnt that disheartening.. Im not sure what to do with mine now either. I guess I could shoot a moose with it and hang the rifle on the antlers and retire them both..

quote:

Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Will a properly placed bullets of the same weight from a Whelen or a 9.3x62 get the job done with little if any noticeable difference, YES.

Can the average hunter under field conditions actually differentiate between the performance of the two, No, they can't.

That's a good point and for that matter a properly placed bullet from about any adequate cartridge and bullet for the game sought would result in the same. But, what in the world does that point have to do with the original poster's question for this thread?

Let's just say the two cartridges are exactly the same in terminal performance and there is not one shred of difference; reference the question, the 9.3x62 has proven an overwhelming long term manufacturing commercial success that continues to be one of the more universal popular chamberings made, compared to the Whelen and other 35s which have consistently proven commercial failures. Reasons for this polar opposite difference are........??????????

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Originally posted by GaryVA:
Reasons for this polar opposite difference are........??????????

Purely emotional. After the first couple you buy, rifles are essentially luxury items. Marketers will tell you that they sell luxury items on emotion. Maybe that emotion is wrapped in mumbo-jumbo about quality and performance, but it is still the emotion that sells. For the 9.3 the emotion is based on driven boar in a snowy forest and sunlight filtering through African dust.

Dean

quote:

Originally posted by Arild Iversen:

Swift also have a 280 grn A-Frame in 358 cal, but I guess that one is ment for the 358 Norma or other faster wildcats?

Arild; I think this may not be quite correct? I have used that projectile out of my little 35/284 on Asiatic Buff and got repeated perfect expansion, penetration and weight retention through both shoulders at a mv of 2280 fps. That would approximate what a Whelan would do wouldn't it? I actually chose that weight to use on BG based on the performance similarity to a 9.3x74R using a 286gn projectile.

My 2c would be that it would take a good man to look at the animal killed by either cartridge and know the difference between one and the other... surely given similar case capacity, calibre, bullet weight and twist the only effective difference would be in legality of use in some African nations.
Anything else is personal preference, no? And there is nothing wrong with that.

My 35 Whelen has a 1 in 14" twist rate. The reason I like the 35 Whelen is because it works well with 225 gr bullets, and especially the TSX. Good velocity, and energy. I don't even try an compare it to the 9.3x62, since those that I have are 1 in 12" twist. I use 250gr and heavier bullets in the 9.3mm.

Anyway, for my use the 35 Whelen fills a special niche all its own, and I don't feel the need to compare it to anything, but if I did it would be the 338-06 or 338 WM.

Frankly, I have one simply because I had the CZ 550 action from Brownells, and couldn't make up my mind what to do with it. I knew selling it was the last thing I wanted to do. Then PacNor put a special on their web page for a barrel pre-chambered in 35 Whelen, and pre-threaded for the CZ 550. That helped me make up my mind. A good deal will do that.

KB

Bondy.
I was just assuming that such a though and heavy bullet as the 280 grn A-Frame in .358 was ment for the faster chamberings.

Your experience make it even more interesting trying this bullet for pigs, moose and perhaps bear.

Arild;

I had assumed the same however my testing showed that they would expand at moderate velocities and this is the result. One through both shoulders perpendicular, and the other quartering away and through the off shoulder from mid-ribs on the near side.

Retained weights 275 and 272gns.

Well, after 5 pages plus another thread, I've realized that my Whelen is just not up to the task..........



I guess I'll just have to take it out of the safe now and then and fondle it.



Ummmmmmm, gun porn at its finest

but hope springs eternal,
I do have a 9.3 x 62 to console myself with




Sako 75 Hunter, 9.3 x 62, 2.5 x 8 Ziess Conquest

Best
GWB

GaryVa, not sure what you are talking about, but I am the Original Poster of this thread.

The thread has to deal with the fact, that even though the 9.3x62 is a wonderful cartridge, those of us that like the 35 Whelen, and now it seems the 375 H&H, don't believe that the 9.3 is the Second Coming of Christ.

I've owned one .35 Whelen and two 350 Rem Mags, all made by Remington with 1 in 16" twists with 22" barrels... and ALL would stabilize the 300gr Barnes Original... that I know for a fact!

The Whelen was faster at 2340 fps and the .350 at 2250 fps.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

quote:

Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
GaryVa, not sure what you are talking about, but I am the Original Poster of this thread.

The thread has to deal with the fact, that even though the 9.3x62 is a wonderful cartridge, those of us that like the 35 Whelen, and now it seems the 375 H&H, don't believe that the 9.3 is the Second Coming of Christ.

You must be drunk

This thread was started by fourbore. You came in a zillion posts later on page 3. You are rambling about stuff other than the OP's original post. Maybe you are confusing threads

quote:

Originally posted by fourbore:
You can and perhaps should dispute my premise:

Why is Whelen going no place and 9.3 on the rise? They seem about equal and the Whelen is years ahead of the 9.3 here in USA.

fourbore was asking some valid questions to spark a discussion. Being the two seem about equal, how is it that they are polar opposites when it comes to commercial success?

- I'm sure someone has posted the correct dates in the thread somewhere, but wasn't the 35Whelen a wildcat all the way up to around 1987 with the first standardized offering being around 1988. I believe this late validation didn't go in its favor over the long haul.

- Was not just about every standard production rifle based off a 1/16" twist with the factory intent to specialize towards the lighter bullets? I think it was Ruger who at a later time jumped ship with a 1/14" twist to better handle heavier bullets. I believe this slow twist didn't go in its favor over the long haul.

- Has anyone ever found a true long term commercial success with a 35cal mid-bore? I don't believe they have, it has been the proverbial red-headed step-child.

Now compare all those built-in quirks of the 35Whelen with the commercial marketing of the 9.3x62 since incept. The 9.3x62 has a huge built in advantage in terms of being a marketing success. It was just a matter of time for this long-term success to work its way into the U.S. market. Neither of these cartridges will reach the plateau of something like the 308Win, but the 9.3x62 has overwhelming international popularity and manufacturer support whereas the 35Whelen has little to none.

None of this has a single thing to do with "my cartridge is better than your cartridge". It's just marketing and business. But at this stage of the game, the 9.3x62 is a big player on the field of mid-bores whereas the 35s are not. But none of this changes the terminal performance of either cartridge.

Best

And can't we add the lowly 338-06 to the failure column? Afterll, the 318 WR was sworn by in the past and the 338-06 is merely its modern iteration.

quote:

Originally posted by Geedubya:
Well, after 5 pages plus another thread, I've realized that my Whelen is just not up to the task..........



I guess I'll just have to take it out of the safe now and then and fondle it.



Ummmmmmm, gun porn at its finest

but hope springs eternal,
I do have a 9.3 x 62 to console myself with




Sako 75 Hunter, 9.3 x 62, 2.5 x 8 Ziess Conquest

Best
GWB

Mighty fine shooting irons you have there sir, real pretty.

(I'm getting the hang of this Texan thing aren't I GWB? )

A stutzen in .35 Whelen would be very handy for woodland stalking or boar over here to, yours has particularly nice wood if I may say.

What action is mate and how long is the barrel?

Regards,

A