Just wanting some opinions. What is the most accurrate out of the box rifle? Caliber for deer hunting with ranges out to 400yds.

I got a hankering for a new gun. Imagine that

Thanks for the comments

savage

Tikka

Winchester Model 70

Savage or Tikka

Out of your choices listed I would say the Remington would be your best bet. They generally have a good reputation and are easy to accurize due to their design and commonality. There are numerous aftermarket parts, add-ons, and most gunsmiths are familiar with them.

Out of the box could be a toss-up though. Any of these could be more accurate than the other. Without a written guaranteed of accuracy who knows what your gonna get.

+1 for the remington 700.

You're kinda limited with your choices. I'd go with Sako and others before looking at those you mentioned, I am not a fan of any of them; however, I have owned 3 A Bolts and they were were exceptionally accurate (.25-.5 MOA). The Rugers I had felt more rugged than the Browning but accuracy was not acceptable to me (1.5-2 MOU). Lou

+2 for the Remington

REM.700 S.S. 24" IN.0R CDL 24 IN" 7MM-08

There you go. Now you know.

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There you go. Now you know.

Who's winning? Has anyone been keeping score?

After the last two I've bought, Remington would be at the bottom of that list for me.

My vote is Remington. Look for one with the new x-mark pro trigger.

Tried all Tikka hands down for low end Sako for high end. I now guys get a hold of a good remington, rugar, or whatever and love sing the praises but I've also met several unhappy people with the same rifle. I have never met or heard of an unhappy Tikka owner. I say if your buying why take a chance?

I am pretty confident if you get opinions from folks that have actually shot all the rifle makes you list the ranking is DAMN clear. I don't necessarily like any of these choices myself by the way, but I have or have had some of all 3. I don't have any Rugers any more.

In my experience, not opinion, with a damn big sample quantity, for accuracy the order is

#1 (by a good bit) Browning
#2 Remington
#3 Ruger (last by a good bit)

We are talking out of the box accuracy, and I can tell you, about 15 gunsmiths I know would absolutely rank these rifles the same way.

All the above is relative to calibers that would be effective to 400 +/- yards.

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Originally posted by bc300winguy:
Tried all Tikka hands down for low end Sako for high end. I now guys get a hold of a good remington, rugar, or whatever and love sing the praises but I've also met several unhappy people with the same rifle. I have never met or heard of an unhappy Tikka owner. I say if your buying why take a chance?

+1

If you have to modify a new gun to get it accurate enough you bought the wrong gun. I think Sako guarantee their accuracy. Tikka and Kongsberg's shoot about as well for a little less money. I have a Remington that shoots well enough but I wont buy another. Its impossible to get clean compared to the Tikka and Douglas barrels it shares closet with.

My expeeriences with Ruger and Browning have been limited but from the box Remington is very easy to work with and tune.
I bought a CDL in 7-08 last fall and put a 3x9 Weaver on it that had been centered. I usually bore site and fire my first shots at 25 yards. This looked so good, I fired my first shots at 100 yards. The first 5 shots from a clean bore using generic ammo went into a group 1.25" at the upper right of a 1" sticker. With two of the bullets in the sticker. I'll admit that kind of alignment doesn't happen too often but that kind of accuracy isn't too surprising.
Maybe what these folks call modifying, I call tuning. Taking a rifle apart and making sure that the nooks and crannies are clean and there is a dab of oil here and a spot of grease there and the bore is clean is only common sense. Remington does require an obligatory trigger adjustment. (I don't know about the new trigger)But I do that myself so that all my Remington rifles, except for the dedicated target rifles, break at a crisp 3#.

You might as well asked which would be better a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. There is so much difference in accuracy between one with a pencil thin tube and a heavy barrel, and between one that has been accurized and one that hasn't it comes down to people's opinions. And the old saying applies here, opinions are like A-holes.... everybodys got one.

I have a 270 A-Bolt and a 338 wn mag A-Bolt. They are very accurate. The 338 with the BOSS will put bullets in the same hole at 100 yards. You can't do better than that. I tested The 270 again using my HYSKORE shooting rest and put three rounds in a 3/4" group at 200 yds.

However, with any rifle, you have to experiment to find the bullet that will work best in your gun. I thought about a Remington CDL and a Sako, but don't like the cheek piece on the stock. The Ruger just didn't feel right to me.

I have been very pleased with my Browning shotguns (I shoot sporting clays), so it was natural for me to consider their rifles and I am glad I did. However, now I want an X-Bolt. I also have a Beretta SP V and a Weatherby shotgun, but I prefer the Brownings.

Just my opinion based on my experience.

I've owned all three brands you mentioned and my vote goes for the Browning, followed by the Remington, and finally the Ruger. They can all be tweaked for accuracy if necessary.

Tikka hands down. How many of the others have guaranteed accuracy ?

Don't see Tikka or Sako listed as choices...

Out of the 3 listed, Browning out of box would be my choice. They are usually glass bedded and free floated and shoot pretty good, sub-moa. You might want to look a bit at some trigger work but that is really all that would be needed. My complaint of the Browning A bolt line is they do usually have lots of snap, recoil wise. My A-bolt really kicks and is a very light gun.

I don't care for the Browning A-bolt much but the new X-Bolt looks like a fine rifle to me. I like rugers and remmingtons too.
I have 2 rugers now and have owned lots more in the past , and all but one have shot well.
Remington makes some inexpensive rifles that shoot real well.
As for cartridge, if you are good enough to shoot at 400 yards. (thats along shot)Then you are probably experenced enough to handle a 7mmRem mag. But The .270 would be a good choice also...tj3006

out of the box, sole measure is tight groups?
savage+accutrigger ..

hunting rifle? not a hill of beans difference between them, only a matter of choice

jeffe

Make me a plus for Remington. Just my choice.

I've had very good luck with Browning.

Weatherby in a 300, IMHO. Great rifle caliber and good all around rifle. "Nothing shoots flatter or hits harder or is more accurate".

wrightboy - yours is a ford vs chevy question - there is no correct answer.

suggest you go to your gun store and shoulder a few of the most popular lines. select the one that feels "right" to you. odds are it will be sufficiently accurate right from the box, or you could probably make it even more accurate with a little smithing/modification, trying different ammo, or reloading.

steyr mannlicher

If in your price range, take a look at the Sako 300 WSM for sale in the classifieds. I have two finnlight short mags and they are shooters!!

Remington 700s have been consistently more accurate than my Winchester M70s, Ruger mark IIs & single browning A-bolt & single Weatherby Mark V that I have. I have shot some Tikas at my gun club that have been very accurate, but have no experience with them beyond that.

OUT OF THE BOX

Low-end Tikka and Savage
High-end Sako.

Of the three listed....Browning.

I custom load for folks as a hobby. That said, I get to shoot quite a few diff rifles while working up loads and the most consistantly accurate rifles hands down are the Remington Model 700s and Browning Abolts. Rugers and Win 70s give me the most trouble. Flame on, that's the facts....

I've never loaded for a 700 that would not shoot sub moa. In fact, some of them shoot very tiny groups consistently.

Good Luck

Reloader

I own 4 a-bolts and they are the only factory unmodified rifles i have shot that were sub moa. Enough said.

My A-bolt 7mm RM is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. Also the most picky!

Of the three mentioned, I would likely choose the Remington first as I have done work on Remingtons before and find that the Model 700 action is very easy to find parts/upgrades for. I've done a few already, trigger jobs, floating the barrels, glass bedding the actions, and they turn out to be consistently accurate hunting rifles.

I would probably take the Ruger next simply because the action is strong. I've never tried to accurize an M77 action but I will assume a trigger job and good bedding should be equally effective, hoping to find a "donor" barreled action sometime soon to goof around with

The Browning would be my last choice, if mine didn't shoot as well as it did I probably would have sold it off for something else.

Guns I would add to the selection would be Weatherby Vanguard and Tikka T3 - hard to beat for the money. Mark V and Sako 85 if the budget allows

Buy any action you want and then get yourself a good aftermarket barrel installed, in any caliber you want...

For what it's worth...

I have two Ruger M77 mark 2s in .308 win - a standard and a frontier. The standard is plenty accurate for hunting. One of my loads will do 10 shot groups of 1.5 MOA. 3 shot groups are usually .5 to 1.0 MOA. BUT, the trigger was very disappointing, and I ended up installing a Timney trigger.
I have not shot the frontier yet, however the trigger is good enough that I probably won't have to change anything.

I took a precision rifle class a couple months back. Everyone else brought custom Remington 700s with expensive optics (Nightforce 4-14x, etc). I brought my Ruger with a Leupold VXII 3-9x on top. I hung with the big dogs all weekend, and was very competitive.

I have not shot a Remington 700, but my brother has a Browning A-Bolt in 30-06. It is similarly accurate, and came from the factory with a very good trigger.

What swung me on the Ruger was the following: good wood, good finish, good bluing, controlled round feed, non-plunger ejector, Mauser style action, made in USA, Ruger scope mounting system, and a number of other things. There's more than just accuracy to consider


Since it seems that everyone rates the A Bolt and 700 above the Ruger, I'd say you can't go wrong. Pick the one you *like* the most.

HTH,
James

I have a A-bolt in 25-06 which is very accurate. I also have a TC Encore Pro Hunter in .338 Win Mag. This rifle has proven very accurate and rugged. I have many rifles, but for deer size game the A-bolt is my go to rifle.

Rugers always seem to come out behind other brands when punching paper is the sole criteria. Rugers are rugged and dependable, especially in bad weather. How many Remingtons and Brownings do you see in AK compared to Rugers?