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The Ruger is much more likely to be accurate than the Weatherby due to the lack of free bore.Big Grin


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The mythical Weatherby "freebore" is likely about the same on a .340 as the Ruger has in their 375....

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No, muzzle brake will be a part of every rifle I build in the future.


MBs are banned in many - if not most - hunting camps in Africa. Not sure about Alaska, but it's probably controlled by the rules of the camp guide taking you out up there.

No guide or PH wants to go deaf just because you can't handle the recoil of the cartridge & rifle you choose to hunt with.


I can't believe a guide would turn away business because of a muzzle brake!

A person can easily buy foam plugs formed on a neck strap and worn throughout the day. Time for client to fire, is a two second insert of the plugs.


I offered to put a brake on my wife’s sub 9lb .338 WM, her response...” If you’re gonna run with the big dogs, you can’t piss like a pup”! At 67 she’s still hunting with her .338....without a brake! Wink If there is any confusion....she hates muzzle brakes! memtb


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The reason why 7x57, 30-06 and 375 H&H work so well is they shoot a bullet of good sectional density’s at a speed that gives a reasonably flat trajectory with an impact velocity that doesn’t blow up a bullet on that 10 or 20 or even 50 yard shot, yet can still reach out to 300 if needs be. 375 Ruger is a 375 H&H with a shorter fatter case, but no animal will know the difference.

340 Weatherby has lots of velocity. Get close then back off 150m!

And which can you go into a gun shop in the middle of nowhere and find ammo for?
 
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30-06 velocity of 2800 is more than enough to blow up a Nosler Ballistic Tip.

Choosing the Barnes TTSX allows the 340 Weatherby to perform at 3100 fps speeds or faster depending on the choice of either 185 or 210. I don't hunt bear.
 
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* * * And which can you go into a gun shop in the middle of nowhere and find ammo for?


Well, finally someone asked the question that actually drives the nail home.

Here's a hint: It ain't the .375 Ruger. Try finding that in a PH's camp in remote Tanzania or Zimbabwe. The .375 H&H, no problem.

The 460Weatherby? Maybe in an Third World economy with Donald Trump's money.

But as Gregor Woods says in his classic tome, Rifles for Africa, the Weatherbys are waaay more cartridge than you need anyway, because 99% of American Tyros hunting Africa can't shoot them worth a sh*t. It's that simple.

They arrive on the Dark Continent's shores with the morally-debilitating marksmanship condition known as "Flinchitis, and once they arrive in camp, it only gets worse from there. Roll Eyes

The .375H&H is all you really need, ... unless, maybe, you're only hunting elephant.


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No, muzzle brake will be a part of every rifle I build in the future.


MBs are banned in many - if not most - hunting camps in Africa. .


Now that is complete bullshit!!

I'm not wild about muzzle breaks, but I have NEVER seen a hunting camp in Africa that banned muzzle breaks. Also if you watch the hunting shows on TV or YouTube, you will see a lot hunters using rifles with muzzle breaks.


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No, muzzle brake will be a part of every rifle I build in the future.


MBs are banned in many - if not most - hunting camps in Africa. Not sure about Alaska, but it's probably controlled by the rules of the camp guide taking you out up there.

No guide or PH wants to go deaf just because you can't handle the recoil of the cartridge & rifle you choose to hunt with.


I can't believe a guide would turn away business because of a muzzle brake!

A person can easily buy foam plugs formed on a neck strap and worn throughout the day. Time for client to fire, is a two second insert of the plugs.


It is complete bullshit. I've been to Africa 8 times, and never had a camp with a muzzle break ban. My son was 9 years old for his first trip to Africa. He shot a youth 7mm-08 with a muzzle break.

All you have to do is watch hunting shows to see that a lot hunters use rifles with muzzle breaks. I'm not defending their use,..just calling the "banned in many" statement complete bullshit.


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30-06 velocity of 2800 is more than enough to blow up a Nosler Ballistic Tip.

Choosing the Barnes TTSX allows the 340 Weatherby to perform at 3100 fps speeds or faster depending on the choice of either 185 or 210. I don't hunt bear.


Not been my experience with the 165 BT. Literally hammered a large cow elk shoulder 3/4 on and got great penetration. I’d say the impact was above 2800.

A lot of great bullets for the 340 wby though. The 210 NP is fantastic as is the 225.


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But as Gregor Woods says in his classic tome, Rifles for Africa, the Weatherbys are waaay more cartridge than you need anyway, because 99% of American Tyros hunting Africa can't shoot them worth a sh*t. It's that simple.

They arrive on the Dark Continent's shores with the morally-debilitating marksmanship condition known as "Flinchitis, and once they arrive in camp, it only gets worse from there. Roll Eyes


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Let's get real here. Funny how no one says the same thing about other similar cartridges at the same velocities like say the Ultramags. Perhaps maybe the bigger bore rifles recoil less too! Roll Eyes

It's the shooter not the gun that determines whether someone is going to flinch.


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No, muzzle brake will be a part of every rifle I build in the future.


MBs are banned in many - if not most - hunting camps in Africa. .


Now that is complete bullshit!!

I'm not wild about muzzle breaks, but I have NEVER seen a hunting camp in Africa that banned muzzle breaks. Also if you watch the hunting shows on TV or YouTube, you will see a lot hunters using rifles with muzzle breaks.


I have used a muzzle break on one hunt in Africa and one in New Zealand. In Africa my PH put on ear muffs whether I was shooting my braked .300 RUM or my .416 (no break). I have never used a brake on my other hunts in Africa or elsewhere.

Anyone who thinks a PH can go without hearing protection and not eventually lose hearing needs to put down the crack pipe - any rifle is too loud.


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Some of you need to wake up, get a life, the muzzle brakes are here to stay, they make shooting more fun, and make shooters more accurate by a bunch..I use them on big guns to work up loads at the bench, and sight in my rifles. I use ear protection with or without a muzzle brake as all of you should, I however used ear protection too late with unbraked rifles so there ya go..If you like a muzzle brake or don't its your choice and you will have to live with it, simple as that..

I seldom hunt with a brake, but I do have ear plugs around my neck, even if I do forget to use them from time to time and I have given them to my outfitters and friends in the business because Im such a nice guy..

I see more and more muzzle brakes every year and if it makes for better shooting then it makes for fewer wounded animals and dangerous follow ups, that's a good trade off..

The PH or guide that won't hunt anyone with a muzzle brake is stupid beyond belief and bound for bankruptcy and witll be selling shoes at Sears as he or she should be..those that are vocal about it are just spreading bsflag they can't afford to turn down business. and probably will have trouble finding a booking agent to work with..

Shooting Brown Bear, or any DG at 400 yards is beyond incomprehensible..it just shouldn't be done..Shooting elk and deer at 400 yards is fine if one knows he can do it regularly, some can, most cannot me thinks..

Its a dumb subject that's beat to death by some that are less informed IMO..Common since should always prevail on these subjects.


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I THINK if you surveyed PHs in general you'd find they don't like muzzle brakes but they like you to hit what you aim at more than they dislike brakes and for that reason they tolerate muzzle brakes. I think if my memory serves me I've been in 31 African safari camps and only once did the PH even mention their dislike for muzzle brakes. Also I've never been asked pre safari if my guns were braked.

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MBs seem to appeal most to lazy shooters who aren't interested in mastering the big-bore chambering they chose for the 'big hunt' of a lifetime.

Puhleeese. Roll Eyes


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So 1986 rolled around. JD Jones came and hunted in South Africa and on his way out he sold the pistols he brought with to hunt with. A 309 JDJ and a 375 JDJ

So I bought his 375 JDJ contender off him as well as a set of 320 gr bullet molds for the 44

The 375 JDJ had a 10 inch barrel with magna porting, a 2 to 7 power Leopold pistol scope and 3 TSOB rings on a rail.

I was on a hunt in the Orange Free State at Tussen die Riviere and I took dead rest over the game scouts shoulder at a Blesbuck with the pistol and him holding his ears. The grass that time of year was quite tall and there was nothing else to take a rest on.

It was the last time he allowed this Big Grin though I had sense enough to have him cover his ears with his hands but while his ears were covered the blast from the magna porting cut his shirt collar and peppered the skin of his neck and wrist leaving a tattoo of lead and powder residue ! Not only that the pistol had a wicked whip and it smacked him really hard on the forearm.

The next time it came time to shoot he vigorously declined acting as a rest !
 
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The 375 JDJ had a 10 inch barrel with magna porting, a 2 to 7 power Leopold pistol scope and 3 TSOB rings on a rail.

I was on a hunt in the Orange Free State at Tussen die Riviere and I took dead rest over the game scouts shoulder at a Blesbuck with the pistol and him holding his ears. The grass that time of year was quite tall and there was nothing else to take a rest on.

It was the last time he allowed this Big Grin though I had sense enough to have him cover his ears with his hands but while his ears were covered the blast from the magna porting cut his shirt collar and peppered the skin of his neck and wrist leaving a tattoo of lead and powder residue ! Not only that the pistol had a wicked whip and it smacked him really hard on the forearm.

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though I had sense enough to have him cover his ears with his hands but while his ears were


"sense enough"? and you think it's funny?

That is reckless with someone else's safety/health especially from someone who is so knowledgeable and towards someone who is in a position of subordination.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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So 1986 rolled around. JD Jones came and hunted in South Africa and on his way out he sold the pistols he brought with to hunt with. A 309 JDJ and a 375 JDJ

So I bought his 375 JDJ contender off him as well as a set of 320 gr bullet molds for the 44

The 375 JDJ had a 10 inch barrel with magna porting, a 2 to 7 power Leopold pistol scope and 3 TSOB rings on a rail.

I was on a hunt in the Orange Free State at Tussen die Riviere and I took dead rest over the game scouts shoulder at a Blesbuck with the pistol and him holding his ears. The grass that time of year was quite tall and there was nothing else to take a rest on.

It was the last time he allowed this Big Grin though I had sense enough to have him cover his ears with his hands but while his ears were covered the blast from the magna porting cut his shirt collar and peppered the skin of his neck and wrist leaving a tattoo of lead and powder residue ! Not only that the pistol had a wicked whip and it smacked him really hard on the forearm.

The next time it came time to shoot he vigorously declined acting as a rest !


In any court in the US, the muzzle brake wouldn't be considered the malefactor. The lose nut on the grip is the problem -- note to self: never hunt with alfie


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Way back when I had to make a choice between a .340 Wthby and a .375, since my Guide would not take me with a .30-06 or .300 Wthby.

I chose the .340 since I do not plan on going to Africa and I felt the .340 would more versatile. So far, I have taken one B&C Brown Bear and 2 Moose with it.

I am happy with my choice. With a 26" factory barrel it is a bit long to carry and around 13 lbs. fully loaded it is like an artillery piece but without the wheels to carry it for you. But, it does hits like Thor's hammer with 250 Gr. N.P. bullets.


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I have and shoot regularly 300RUM, 338RUM, 375H, 416Rem, 458Win and for funzies a 600 Overkill.

Only the RUMs and 600 are braked.

As much as I like my 375H, I think the 416Rem is more versatile. So I voted for the 340Wea. It is a "baby" 338RUM and an awesome ctg in it's own right. Loaded with the right bullets it is a beast capable of some fantastic long range work.

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MBs seem to appeal most to lazy shooters who aren't interested in mastering the big-bore chambering they chose for the 'big hunt' of a lifetime.

Puhleeese. Roll Eyes


A.J.,

Lazy maybe, but your statement about muzzle brakes being "banned in many - if not most - hunting camps in Africa." Is complete and utter HORSESHIT!! Have you even been to Africa?? The market for hunters willing to pay $35,000 to $60,000 for an elephant/buffalo hunt is pretty small. I don't know of any African PH's that are going to say,.....No I'm not going to take your $50,000 for this hunt because you use a muzzle brake. bsflag bsflag


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I believe there are no more versatile rifles for North America hunting than the 338WM and the 340 Wea.
I have never gone to Alaska without my 340Wa.
The gun is modified with Krieger stainless pipe and Mcmillan stock.Glassed in action, trigger job, floated barrel, Teflon and most important it will shoot different loads very close to one another in a vertical string.
I handload all my hunting ammo and have settled on 225 Accubonds at 3070 FPS as my primary load and 250 NP's at close to 2900 FPS. It will shoot both of those loads and about all loads with 5 shots into less than a nickel @100 yes.
What is not to like? Weather resistant, durable, reliable, extremely accurate, fairly light weight, flat shooting.

What ever your choice, focus and work on accuracy and you will gain confidence in your choice and be happy.

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It the .338 WM had been in the equation....it would have been my first choice! memtb


Same here.


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This is a medium bore forum ... i don't believe game can tell the difference in medium sized hole in the vitals from medium sized hole in the vitals ..

they'll both kill em dead - just put the bullet in the right spot --- Elephant have been killed with 7x57 (and less) --

as for me, i generally take the one with the larger diameter, all else being equal -- which is how i took this poll ...

would i feel undergunned with a 340? (or 338 win) -- nope ... but, in all honesty, I generally don't feel under gunned, in Texas, with my 45 colt -- as I've killed nearly everything in Texas with one, having had to clean up other people's messes and i do like to hunt with mine.

A friend of mine, who's long since gone off into the sunset, used a ruger 22 hornet and an AMT 22mag for his "guide guns" all over the southwest -- and killed everything from mites to elk, as follow up/put down shots


ya'll enjoy the hunt


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This is a medium bore forum ... i don't believe game can tell the difference in medium sized hole in the vitals from medium sized hole in the vitals ..

they'll both kill em dead - just put the bullet in the right spot --- Elephant have been killed with 7x57 (and less) --

as for me, i generally take the one with the larger diameter, all else being equal -- which is how i took this poll ...

would i feel undergunned with a 340? (or 338 win) -- nope ... but, in all honesty, I generally don't feel under gunned, in Texas, with my 45 colt -- as I've killed nearly everything in Texas with one, having had to clean up other people's messes and i do like to hunt with mine.

A friend of mine, who's long since gone off into the sunset, used a ruger 22 hornet and an AMT 22mag for his "guide guns" all over the southwest -- and killed everything from mites to elk, as follow up/put down shots


ya'll enjoy the hunt


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Between these two, I'd take the rifle that I shoot the best.


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I believe there are no more versatile rifles for North America hunting than the 338WM and the 340 Wea.

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Agreed.
 
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Never shot a .375 Ruger, but have killed some game with the .340 Wby and love the caliber. I shoot 225 gr. Barnes TSX with IMR 7828, Federal LMR primer @3000 fps. Chronographed 10 rounds, had only 6 fps total variation between the rounds. Reliably groups in about 3/4" @ 100 yd.

Honestly don't see the need for a muzzle brake. The recoil really isn't that bad, if you practice a bit with the rifle. I use a Past recoil pad on my shoulder from the bench, and when shooting at game, don't even feel the kick; my mind is elsewhere..

On a Namibia trip, the .340 accounted for 6 head of plains game with 7 shots; the second shot on the kudu was from 3 feet away and not strictly necessary, just wanted to send him on his way a bit quicker.

So I can't say from experience that the .375 Ruger wouldn't do as well, but I can say that the .340 would do just fine.
 
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Currently the poll is tied 35-35.

Barrel choice is Lothar Walther in. 338.

Always fun buying a new barrel!
 
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358 Norma Magnum or STA is also an option.
 
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STA with a brake would be a bear slayer, quick follow up with a brake against a charge.
 
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The 340 will have no-freebore reamer.
 
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I think it would depend more on the rifle you want to use.

My local gun shop has one of these Mossberg Laminate
for $399

You wont be finding a Weatherby for less than $1200.


$400 for a DG all-arounder. ! !
Has anyone tried to see what kind of accuracy can be rung out of it?


I will be shooting it come this spring.

They marked it down to 329.99 so it's in my gun safe now.


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$1200.00 is reasonable for the MKV action.
 
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