should be about $700+. I think they should put these in the regular hawkeye but that would probably be the end of the 338 federal.

On the other hand I wonder if I rebarreled my win mod 70 300 WSM if it would actually hold 3 in the magazine then.

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Originally posted by boom stick:

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Originally posted by oldun:

You Misspelled "moderator"

I didn't have George in mind, but the Luddites who have since come out to play.

"Hornady knows that hunting elk, bighorn,
brown bear, musk ox, Asian and African
trophies can land you in some fairly extreme
environments. And until now, hunters have
used gear that hasn’t evolved much in the past
100 years."

See, we're too stupid to know. Only Hornady knows. Old Joyce must be turning over in his grave.

What a load of tripe, I mean hype.

What WOULD be cool is a 375-300 RCM and a 6.5-338 RCM.

Dont duplicate...Innovate!

hey boom stick.....

got room in that there boat of yours??


LeRoy

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Originally posted by boom stick:
375-300 RCM !

OK I'll Bite roger

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:

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Originally posted by Clayman:
I thought we were done with the whole short mag movement. They've already been established in just about every caliber out there. I really would've thought ruger would've simply taken the 375 and necked it down to either of these calibers. That way, they could claim 300/340wby performance in standard-length actions. Their approach doesn't make sense to me, as the 300 and 338 win mags will already fit into standard actions. There might have been a market for magnum action performance in standard actions, but they missed it on this one. That, and who wants to shoot a 20", 7lb 338? That's going to be obnoxious!

Yeah, and likely painful, too.

Us east coast guys don't need the .338 or it's variants. Nothing around east of the Mississippi you need it for. I'll keep what I have. 7 Rem and 25'06 have worked well for years, and I have a .300 RUM and a .375 for travel guns.

So that narrows an even narrower market for this reinvention.

I'll second that. I've got a 270 Win that'll kill anything I'll ever face on the east coast. Sure, there are heavier rifles in the safe, but they are reserved for things that bite, claw, or trample.

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Originally posted by archdlx:
hey boom stick.....

got room in that there boat of yours??


LeRoy

Pirates these days wear suits and call themselves politicians...

You have to go to sea to avoid them.

I handled a Ruger RCM rifle at their booth in Reno and thought it would be fine rifle if it were chambered something like 308 Win or 7x57. As is, methinks it will kick like a rented mule with a horiffic muzzle blast.

Quick thoughts on a 'short' barrel - muzzle blast and loss of velocity.

So, I think I will stay with my .338-06: a honest, chronographed 2600 fps with 225grain Hornady bullets out of a 24.5 inch barrel.

It is a lot 'nicer' to shoot than my old .270 with a 23.6 inch barrel and pushing 130 grain bullets at circa 3100 fps.

p.s. How are the .300 & .325 WSMs getting on? As a left handed shooter, did Kimber ever offer left handed Model 8400 in left hand? I remember seeing a comment to the effect they did / were going to in a 2004/2005? edition of Gun Digest.

There was a time when I might buy a new cartridge just to experiment with. Lately with the cost of components having almost doubled in the last year I'm now more inclined to thin out the less useful cartridges.

beat 3400fps with 150gr bullets out of a 300WSM, 26" barrel though. hope the rcm can do it with a 20" one...

Smells like limited usefullness to me:

Limited Brass
Limited Heavy Bullet capability
Little or no chance of matching factory claims as a handloader....

I won't be going that way soon....

Cheers,

Dan

...........................Well about 3 people who posted on this thread actually thot about the rifle in ? All the rest of you STUPID @#$%^&*()(*&^%$#@!............Are just showing your stupidity ........................................... .I,m bewildered at how people can be so stupid ..................You dummies probably vote democrat...The 300 , well thats just another 30 cal pos , like all 30 cal poses ..But the 338 ,., Now ,.,., Pretty hard to beat for an Alaskan Dall sheep and Interior grizzly rifle .....With 225 gr bullets it wouldn,t be too bad on brown bear , but excellent for moose, caribou , Deer in brn bear country ......Not that the 375 Ruger isn,t tops for all of these things and the 416 Ruger would be also ,,, ,., But my wife will love hers .....It,s the 2nd perfect Alaskan rifle and cartridge .....I hope they build and sell 2 million of them ......I,ll buy at least 2 of them .... Oh and having got another 338 Win mag this winter that makes an even dozen for me so far ....... the new 338 RCM may give me a good reason to build a 416 Ruger from a 338 win mag .........


I bet in a .284 or .277 it would make a pretty fine bean field rifle ,.,

Has anyone shot a RCM rifle yet? I have seen alot of opinions on muzzle blasts and recoil and wondered if any od these were factually based.

Look the new cases might very well do as they claim

However, it clearly doesn't say how many PSI they are running at, with what grain projectile they can make the comparison claim (i'd like to see them load the longer heavier stuff to compete with the Win Mags

They could also be shortening the life of the case with the amount of pressure they are loading at, but hey...what do they care they aren't reloading cases.

regards
S&F

.......No Hondo the knee jerk crowd is like a bunch of kids in a play ground ., For them to actually think is a big stretch .....The data I saw for the 338 RCM was with 225 gr bullets .....Say a handloader can get 2750 fps w/225 gr bullet with pressures that allow the brass to be reloaded 6 times .....From a 6 1/2 lb 20" barreled rifle that you can put in a skiff and not worry about too much ...That is pretty successful to me .. ....But even if I had to shoot 225 gr Hornady factory ammo at the advertised ballistics I would with no problems ....There may be certain shot that I wouldn,t take that I might with a 225 gr Super Premium bullet .But ,,So .,.The bullet will probably exit on a mooses lung shot , It will bust the leg and tear up the heart of a bear and it will fly plenty flat enough to accurately take a sheep ,goat or deer @ 400 yards .........,.,., From a factory rifle that costs less than a thousand bucks ..........

They are great cartridges, but I'm not sure we really need them, but who knows...I would have opted for the 404/375 Ruger and given the folks something that's not already out there...but then I'm not a bean counter...

Most of this thread is hilariously partisan. "How dare Ruger and Hornady introduce a new cartridge without my approval, and in a bullet diameter that may threaten someone's loyalty to my favorite cartridge!" You stamp your feet and wail like someone had desecrated the alter of your church.

For God's sake, people...it's just a couple of damn rifles and cartridges. Ruger/Hornady's introduction of it didn't steal any food from your children's plate, did it? Will your gun rights be diminished? Will your taxes go up?

I would think gun loonies would be happy every time a manufacturer tried something out -- at best, a useful new cartridge will emerge. At worst, nothing you already like will go away...

Get over it and quit whining. If you don't like it...DON'T BUY IT!!! If enough people follow your lead, that will tell Ruger and Hornady everything they need to know, in a more-or-less free market. If a bunch of people do buy it -- that will tell you everything you need to know about their marketing genius.

In any event...we are living in a golden age of hunting and firearms development/availability -- and we ought to enjoy it instead of complaining about every nuance that doesn't quite suit us.

Ray -- this is not aimed at you; it just happens to follow you

Rant mode off...

1. If I can't load it to what they say it will do from the factory, I don't want it. I am a handloader. It's what I enjoy doing. Why would I buy a rifle chambered for a cartridge that requires proprietary powders and/or methods to get the performance they advertise unless it gives me something I don't already have?

2. They are not bad cartridges. They won't, however, do anything magical that any other cartridge that pushes the same bullet at the same or very similar velocities won't do. Once the bullet leaves the end of the muzzle, it doesn't matter what shape the brass was that fired it. A .30 180 at 3000 will do what any other .30 180 at 3000 will do no matter if it was fired from a .300 RM, a .300 WSM, a .300 SAUM, or a .300 RCM.

3. I see no reason to dump my existing rifles to buy one of these as I already have at least one that will do what these do. Since you cannot load these to factory specs, if you buy one and it dies, like the .300 SAUM, factory ammo is going to be hard to find. You will need to be satisfied with whatever you can handload it to. If it becomes established and looks to be a long term success, new buyers would have no reason not to look at them.

4. Long actions don't save enough of anything over Magnum actions to make a hoots worth of difference to me. Same with short action/long action.

5. If I was going to buy a .375 today, I would look long and hard at the Ruger, or chamber a Rem for it. Nice to have that performance in a standard action, considering I don't already have a .375. If I did already have one, I wouldn't bother. Wouldn't be worth the hassle. The .375 RCM handloaded would still be something worth looking at even if I couldn't duplicate factory specs in a 20" barrel.


Fast Ed

I have no need for either of these cart.....I may have the .338RCM rebarreled to a .375 RCM with a slower twist and 22" barrel to make a .375 Whelen cast boolit shooter in a short action...
I have to agree with gumboot and muledeer on the behavior of the naysayers..

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Originally posted by Low Wall:
I have no need for either of these cart.....I may have the .338RCM rebarreled to a .375 RCM with a slower twist and 22" barrel to make a .375 Whelen cast boolit shooter in a short action...
I have to agree with gumboot and muledeer on the behavior of the naysayers..

The 375-300 is what you want... the 338 is shorter. more capacity than the 375 whelen. should do 300 @ 2500 but high preasure.

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Originally posted by boom stick:

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Originally posted by Low Wall:
I have no need for either of these cart.....I may have the .338RCM rebarreled to a .375 RCM with a slower twist and 22" barrel to make a .375 Whelen cast boolit shooter in a short action...
I have to agree with gumboot and muledeer on the behavior of the naysayers..

The 375-300 is what you want... the 338 is shorter. more capacity than the 375 whelen. should do 300 @ 2500 but high preasure.

Thanks BoomStick!...I haven't even seen either of these cases yet...My goal would be 23-2400Fps with a 270gr RCBS cast boolit at low pressure using slower than normal powders...That gives the boolit a better chance of starting out without skidding on the lands from a high pressure kick in the butt...That's why the slow twist also....

a 416-300RCM getting 400 @ 2150-2200 would be cool too

I got your six, George!

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Originally posted by Mort Canard:
Wonder how many boxes of RCM ammo ol' George got for that endorsement?

I believe George is informing, not endorsing.

Gee, hon....looka that!!.....someone just invented a new cartridge called the ".30 Newton"....and, Oh, Here's another one called the .33 Newton!

Too bad they didn't make it in 6.5 too....
They did? When?

About 100 years ago??? I see they used a little smaller case for the 6.5 though........



Personally, I think they would sell more rifles if they DID just bring back the Newton line. Most gun folks these days recognize those were really good, useful cartridges, so less hype would be required. And the brass would be basically the same as anything else made from the .375 Ruger basic stuff. Best of all, it would help feed some great old guns that are still out there.

I was very impressed with the performance of the 375 Ruger.

Pleased to see that Ruger chose to chamber the new 300 & 338 in LH models. Nice to see us lefties not left out!

Would like to see some chronograph speeds on the 2 rounds via reloads. To see if they fit a niche.

wow...brought back a thread over a year and a half old....not sure why, though.

The newton's were great, but they were 2.5" cases, the RCM's are shorter, and not in the same class really. They're made with magic fairy dust powders that are not likely to be available to the reloading public anytime soon, if ever. If you reload, stick with the WSM's

I'm very happy with my tang safety ruger 77 in 338wm and my winchester 70 in 300 H+H. No need for these new chamberings or the new rifle in my safe.

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do not fill a useful niche, the prostitutes who endorse them in the press, and the sheep who flock to them like flies to a turd.

Glad I read the entire post...

from the part that I quoted from you.... I thought you were talking bout democrats there for a second..

I've never understood people complaining about the promotion of new cartridges, or are they in fact quite happy with their 45-70-405 with a black powder load?
If it wasn't for the continual search for improvement the cartridges we see as Standards today wouldn't exist.

All this stunning level of Short Magnum interest, and where is 284 Winchester?
Hey, I love a short action rifle. Going from carrying a standard length 30-06 to a 22" bbl. 308 makes it feel like you're carrying a pistol. You can actually hunt instead of becoming a 2-legged transport for a rifle.

Short actions are fantastically handy. But 'handy' and 'fire-breathing magnum' kinda go in different directions. Maybe the 7-08 is close enough in performance, but wouldn't all of what a 270 and 280 can do in a short action have some appeal? All these fire-breathing monsters of marginal utility and a great cartridge basically died underneath our noses. The short action attributes are the appeal of all of this. The ballistic performance of the short-fat mags already exists in the rifle market and HAS for, what, 30 years? 40 years? as many experienced shooters remind us. It just irks me to see all this effort and hoopla when, from what I can tell, a 284 would fill a great, realistic role in a short action rifle. I'd LOVE one. Now, if I could only find some deer to shoot it at!!!!

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Originally posted by stillbeeman:
Just put a "MAGIC" Barnes bullet in them and then all you have to do is point the cartridge at them. Don't even need a rifle.
All the exravagant claims made for the magnum rifles apply to the Barnes Super bullets.

Amen!

DOA, IMHO.

i hope they sell, and every other cartridge and rifle sells as well. perhaps that will mean more people will be willing to vote for pro-gun/pro-hunting candidates today and in the future. what is to be gained by arguing about new cartridges?

Crap. . . . . sounds like a bunch of whinning children that don't want the new kid 'Billy' playing dodge ball on their playground.
If the new cartridges turn out to have some desirable merits, they will survive, if not, then they won't.

But if we were all to stop developement of products, because a few of you were happy with what we had; we'd all still be driving model T's and flying Bi-planes! After all, they got us where we were going at the time as well.

We'd also still be using the latest and greatest plains rifle's built by God!. . . a frickin' 18 pound sharps .45-120-550!

The RCMs might be just the ticket for someone who doesn't handload, doesn't already own a 300WM or a 338WM, and wants a short action cartridge that packs a little more punch than the 308 based cartridges. I just wish they came out with one in a 7mm. It should give a little more oomph than the 7-08 or 284, and should feed a little smoother than the other short magnums in 7mm, and is not subject to Rick Jamison's patent or royalties.

I don't own a 7mmWSM, but people here have posted that they can't handload to factory velocity with really pushing the pressure, and feeding can be an issue. I think the SAUM is a better cartridge (not quite as fast, but a better design), but both are subject to Rick Jamison's patent.

I don't think the RCMs are reinventing the wheel. They give shooters more options. I hope those that manufacture rifles continue to offer new ideas. If we don't like them, they won't sell, but it is nice to have options. The RCM is another cartridge case for wildcatters to play with, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I agree with forestB, you will see these in mass quantities in the future on bargain racks of used rifles.. If they sell that many that is..

It appears the general concensus on this forum is the .300 and .338 RCM's are unnecessary cartridge developments. You should see what everyone thinks about the .375 Ruger on the Big Bore forum. I believe the majority of people think the Ruger is a big improvement over the H&H round. Forget the H&H cartridge design that makes case sticking virtually impossible in hot weather. Forget the light push, conducive to accuracy with the H&H. Forget the professional hunters who recommend speeds of 2400 fps for better performance. Please believe me when I say that I think new cartridge development is a good thing and that if we didn't have such a thing, we'd all still be shooting black powder rifles. I agree that a carbine length rifle is also extremely handy. It's just kind of silly when you think about it. It really is all about velocity. I used to have a woody about velocity until I realized there were cartridges out there like the 9.3 x 62 that killed extremely well without any fuss at all. My personal .375 H&H has a barrel that has been cut down to 21" in length and I can get over 2500 fps with R-15 and 300 grain A-frames. It is a very handy rifle that I bought from my brother for under $500.00. As I age, I believe that less is more and that if you can perform a task with less energy, you are using your mind. If you want to expend more energy to perform the same task, I guess you must be younger than I am.

Thanks,

jfm