Earlier this year I bought a .300 H&H because I wanted one. I also have a pre-64 M70 in 30-06 and a pre-64 M70 custom gun in 375 H&H. My questions is where does the 300 H&H excel (other than being a classic cartridge)?

Thanks

The 300 HH excels only in our minds. I have one too.

The ol' H&H can do anything the 300 Winchester can do, and it will do it with style and class. Possessing a gracefully tapered case for accomodating long strings of cordite powder, the old H&H lends itself well to the loading of heavy for calibre bullets without sufferiing the loss of powder space. Remarkably, that old case is efficient even by today's standards remaining only about 100f/s slower than its modern successor.

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Originally posted by Savage99:
The 300 HH excels only in our minds. I have one too.

yup....agreed! and I too have one!!!

how about long range shooting of all plains game, cats, in fact, just about anything but the Big Three...a 200gr partition of such at 2900fps or so does bad things to bones and stuff.

Rich

www.reloadersnest.com/article_300hh_oct2803.asp

I just bought a 300 H&H and received it one week ago. I was doing a little research just out of coriosity when I came across the above link, I thought it was interesting.

For throwing 150 -165 grain bullets, the 30-06 is more sensible. For throwing 180 - 190 bullets, the 300 Win Mag is more sensible. For throwing 200 - 220 grain bullets, the 300 Wby Mag is more sensible.

But for launching 150 - 220 grain bullets with efficiency and style, the 300 H&H is the queen. Maybe not the most sensible, but certainly the most sensual.

There was really no need for the winmag, but it came anyway unless it were to be used in a automatic like the BAR....

The .300 H&H is an Ole` gentleman..waiting patiently to take his turn to finish..and to be admired by everyone

The .300 H&H is one of the smoothest feeding cartridges around.

Buliwyf

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.300 H&H - where does it excel?

In nostalgia.

if you reload with cordite

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Originally posted by lhanson8:
www.reloadersnest.com/article_300hh_oct2803.asp

I just bought a 300 H&H and received it one week ago. I was doing a little research just out of coriosity when I came across the above link, I thought it was interesting.

good read...

It's my favorite hunting round. I've used mine for elk and deer in Idaho for over 40 years. I've never felt it wanting.

Mike Chamberlain

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
For throwing 150 -165 grain bullets, the 30-06 is more sensible. For throwing 180 - 190 bullets, the 300 Win Mag is more sensible. For throwing 200 - 220 grain bullets, the 300 Wby Mag is more sensible.

But for launching 150 - 220 grain bullets with efficiency and style, the 300 H&H is the queen. Maybe not the most sensible, but certainly the most sensual.

Very well put.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Buliwyf:
The .300 H&H is one of the smoothest feeding cartridges around.

And it shouldnt be able to get stuck in the chamber either. In other words, a functional Magnum cartridge. Just like its big brother.

Federal makes nice load for it utilizing "solid hollowpoints" by Barnes. Just seen several boxes at local Gander Mtn.
Looked at .300H&H Brownie Safari Grade vs. Heym in .375H&H, and......the rest is history.
Dreams of past "Raj" are alive and well.

I don't think it "excels" anywhere, but it's still a fine cartrdige. I wish Ruger would make one up in the #1S/26"bbl. just for the nostalgia & the fact that the single shot has no worries about OAL.

I bought one awhile back too just because, an old semi-custom FN sporter with a B&L Balvar in a Buehler micrometer mount. Also bought several bags of 180-220 grain bullets off the Classified Forum just for it. It does feed mighty fine, is super accurate and easy on the shoulder. Can't wait to get it restocked.

The .300 H&H Magnum is perhaps the most accurate catridge that I have shot. In the Pre'64 Model 70 this combo shoots lights out. Three thousand feet per second with a 180 grain bullet isn't too shabby, and this is easily done with this fine round. Oh, I almost forgot it was Ken Watters favorite cartidge, and that folks says it all!

Buliwyf summed it up. The 300HH is the smoothest feeding round I have ever chambered. It is "sensual" in this regard. Kudude

The 300 H&H isn't quiet as fast FPS as the 300 WIN. It can still get the job done tho.

The case of .300 H&H offers a longer case and neck than other .300's. The .300 Win Mag has a shorter case an neck and hence most factory loaded ammo only come with 180 grain bullets. My contention is if you want to shoot 180 grainers, you may as well stick with your 30-06 Spr. The 300 H&H offers the reloader the ability to load 200 and 220 grainers with ease. An that puts it into a notch above the 300 Win Mag for me.

Chris

Thanks for the responses and information. I really like the feel of this old gal and I am looking forward to many years and many miles together.

Here WAS mine, that is until it was stolen in April. I took my first deer with it and so did my brother.

One of the first things I noticed in my 721, and I think the cartridge has alot to do with it, was smoothness.

It felt the same chambering a cartridge as it did working the action empty.

Mine didn't have the bump for the factory sights, either, but the barrel was factory, which I thought was strange...

Well, I am finally taking the 300 H&H jump and now just waiting for the fun to arrive.

Dies and bullets on order.

Anyone got some brass they would like to part with for a reasonable amount?

Hikerbum,

give Nosler a month and they expect to be shipping brass.

Rich
DRSS
NRA Life Member

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Originally posted by truvelloshooter:
The case of .300 H&H offers a longer case and neck than other .300's. The .300 Win Mag has a shorter case an neck and hence most factory loaded ammo only come with 180 grain bullets. My contention is if you want to shoot 180 grainers, you may as well stick with your 30-06 Spr. The 300 H&H offers the reloader the ability to load 200 and 220 grainers with ease. An that puts it into a notch above the 300 Win Mag for me.

Chris

Is the standard twist rate of a 300 H&H rifle (say a pre 64 70) fast enough to stabilize 220gr bullets?

The reason it was developed; slick feeding, faultless extraction, versitile loading. The 300 H&H is one fine cartridge.

300 H&H,

Sorry to hear of your loss. I doubt the thief will appreciate the 300 H&H as did you. Did you shoot it in the great woods of northern MN? Also, what scope was mounted on it?

Doublegun

Doublegun,
Yep, had some good success hunting blowdowns/clearcuts on Lake Vermilion. They're only accessible by boat, meaning no pressure and big bucks.

Unfortunately, the lake's been frozen over the last two years by Nov. so we couldn't get to it.

The scope on it was a Unertl Hawk, bought it for $40. I have an remington 1917 I want to rechamber to 300 since I have about 15 boxes of the vintage winchester stuff...

Anything one can do with a 300 H&H he can do with a 300 Win Mag as well. He can also do it with a 30-06 99 times out of a hundred too.

The only thing this grand old cartridge does better than anything else is sit in my cabinet and shine over everything else. That old Winchester just reeks with glory.

300H&H excells in classic rigs like this:You'd deserve a good slap if you chambered a rifle like that in .300win.
No, 300hh ammo/components are not common on the shelf, but class is not common in society in general.

I have been trying to figure out a way to put a Lyman 48 on my M70 and have QR rings and bases for my Leupold 6x but I can not think of a way to do that unless I go to a G&H side mount and that means drilling and rasping and I just can't bring my self to do that.

Suggestions?

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Originally posted by bulldog563:

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Originally posted by truvelloshooter:
The case of .300 H&H offers a longer case and neck than other .300's. The .300 Win Mag has a shorter case an neck and hence most factory loaded ammo only come with 180 grain bullets. My contention is if you want to shoot 180 grainers, you may as well stick with your 30-06 Spr. The 300 H&H offers the reloader the ability to load 200 and 220 grainers with ease. An that puts it into a notch above the 300 Win Mag for me.

Chris

Is the standard twist rate of a 300 H&H rifle (say a pre 64 70) fast enough to stabilize 220gr bullets?

Yes,

The std twist rate is 1 turn in 10 inches. Woodleigh and others would not offer bullets in this weight class if they would not stabilize.

To set your mind at ease, many elephants have been shot in culling operations with 220 gr mono-solids (typically A-Square Solids), being much longer than the equivalent lead-core bullet. It works fine.

Being in America you could certainly try the heaviest offerings from Swift A-Frame and Northfork, but jump at least to 200 grainers.

Let us know when you have done it.
Take care
Chris

Chris

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The neck length on the 300 HH is about the same as the 30-06. My memory says that the 06's is longer.

The 300 HH does not have much room in my pre 64's magazine that will only allow a 3.6" COL. The bullets are therefore seated deeper than in the usual 30-06 case/neck.

The 300 HH has poor headspace control due to the belt and chamber realities. Nor does it have an adequate shoulder for headspacing after the first fireform.

As much as I dislike the 300 WM I think it's a much better round than the 300 HH and in particular if it's in a longer than 3.3" magazine. The 30-06 feeds just as well or better than the 300 HH besides the belt clicks on a slow feed.

I know they are not the world's reference, but the French powder manuals show better velocity (with their powders) in the 220 grain bullets with the 300 H&H compared to the 300 WinMag. Your mileage will vary of course, but it would be a better cartridge for heavier bullets with some powders. Therefore better for African bush conditions.

When I posed this question I thought the answer was probably nowhere. Instead I have received quite an education - thank you! Please keep the info coming.

Couple of things: I have noticed that getting the head space correct is a challange with RN bullets, even 180 gr. I think I'll look for a couple of loads for 200 gr. and 220 gr. My 3006 will cover 165-180; the 300 H&H will cover 200-220; and my 375 will cover 270-300.

The 300 H&H has excelled for a long time. In 1937 the 300 H&H won the 1000 yard Wimbledon match in England ... which led to Winchester chambering it in their rifles. It's still a fine round and with todays new powders will do even more.

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