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Thanks for the info and perspective. I see the 6.5C being a bargain if it is both a hunting AND target round. One rifle instead of two. Just swap scopes. http://outdoorchannel.com/arti...g-since-sliced-bread Another good read about the 6.5C 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Like so many on AR, this thread reeks of hands-on experience,  all of which is considerably more than mine with 6.5’s. That said I did invest some serious time with a reputable Sako rifle in .260 Rem, at my reloading bench, at the range and in the field. No offense to anyone here but my “overall” experience was not bad, not great, but certainly acceptable. 6.5 ballistic tables, range work and field results are all commendable. But to answer the OP’s question, from my long but humble background in the field, IMHO, I would say no, that title belongs to the 7X57mm and/or the 30-06 Springfield. And yes, I am prejudiced in my opinion. Cheers | |||
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I haven't shot the Creedmoor, but I have had two rifles built in 6.5x47 and there aren't enough words to describe how good that cartridge is, so I'm sure the Creedmoor is also great. But for a long-range rifle, I would take a leaf from the F-class shooters' book and use one of the 7mm cartridges over a 6.5mm (e.g. .284 improved, 7mm SAUM, 7-300 WSM) with something like a 168gr Accubond LR hunting bullet, 162 A-max or heavy Berger hybrid target bullets. Of course, this does not negate any arguments in favour of picking more classic or widely available cartridges for hunting... | |||
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overall, I would take a 30 of some sort for an all around rifle. Like the 300 H&H/375 H&H switch barrel dpcd is doing for me. All of the competition sports now require expensive specialized equipment. The accuracy forum has quite a few RPR fans. That said, about half of them have already replaced the barrel on the Ruger. My F-Class rifle is a 6.5-284 on a standard OM 70. MY rounds mike about 3.25" oal, and there is plenty of room in the magazine box for them. If I wanted to use a short action, like a Remmy 700 or clone, I would do another wildcat. Take the excellent LAPUA 6.5-284 brass and shorten it to 1.800" case length. The 140gr bullets would have about 1" of room to stick out of the case mouth, and easily get me the magic 3000fps everyone is striving for. At less pressure. | |||
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That must by why I am scratching my head over the "appeal" of the amazing new 6.5 Creedmore.  I have none of those rifles nor do I give a shit.. But in spite of the fact that I have a 260 built on a medium length Mauser that will do anything a creedmore will do and more, I still want a 6.5-06..AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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I've been having fun with my 6.5c for the last several months. Cheap, accurate factory ammo and rifles = fun shooting for those of us who are short on time. I have no time to handload at this point in my life and don't shoot in matches but I do get some frequent opportunities to shoot coyotes at a distance. I also get some satisfaction from shooting 2 liter bottles filled with water out to 800 yards, which is as far as I can place them on my farm. I'll shoot some deer with my 6.5c this fall and don't expect them to be any more or less dead than with my 270. I beleive the 6.5c is a huge asset to the man who wants accuracy and has to find time where he can to shoot. In those terms perhaps it is the Grail. PS: My Rem 788 .308 w/ 150gr core-lokts was the most accurate out of the box rifle I've ever had. All We Know Is All We Are | |||
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It's a nice cartridge, but less powerful than the 270 Win and far less than the venerable 264 Win Mag or the new .26 Nosler. Not sure where the magic is. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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For big game, there is nothing the 6.5 creedmoor won't do that the .30/06 won't do better. But most new cartridges are like newfangled fishing lures, which are designed to catch fishermen more than to catch fish. Quick, Cheap, or Good: Pick Two | |||
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Except the 30-06 kicks considerably more, uses more powder, and will generally be less accurate. But, the 30-06 is indeed a grand hunting round. I call it the "everyman's elk rifle." And I really think it's at its best on larger BG. | |||
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My 06 and my .308 both outshoot my 6.5 CM accuracy wise. The 6.5 CM is fun and accurate enough and has almost zero recoil. And I'm probably going to send it down the road. It's not got enough extra of anything to offer for me to keep it around. I bought it for my daughter and she hates it. Unfortunately it is a Kimber Hunter and it's just to light, to skinny and to little. The thing is not built for accuracy it has no "shootability" if you will. | |||
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Surestrike, the 6.5 Creedmoor is the most popular of a few newer cartridges replacing the .308 in highpower rifle matches. That is because of inherent accuracy with high BC bullets and low recoil and not because of killing ability on big game. The 6.5 Creedmoor cannot match the power of the 30-06. The things that make the .308 and 30-06 popular are not the same things that are making the 6.5 CM popular. Still, the 6.5 CM is fast becoming a top choice for competition and is also gaining in use in the field for a reason. The 6.5 Creedmoor is not the do-all to end all. But, if someone wants a rifle that is short, light, suitable for any North American game with the exception of the big bears and moose, and good for hunting 95% of the big game of the world, then the 6.5 CM is a viable candidate. The 30-06 gives up a lot in a short barrel and is too long for an AR-10 or a kurz mauser action. Very light rifles do better with cartridges that recoil less than the .308. Even match shooters with rifles that are far from light are seeking out cartridges with less recoil than the .308. You say your 6.5 CM rifle is "too light, too skinny and too little. The thing is not built for accuracy it has no "shootability" if you will." But it is that very suitability for a light, skinny rifle that some like about the 6.5 Creedmoor. As to accuracy and "shootability", those are very good reasons to have a custom rifle built to fit the shooter. Assembly line stocks, both wood and synthetic, are designed to fit the 90 percentile shooter. In reality, especially if you figure both sexes into it, those stocks are lucky if they fit the 50 percentile shooter. Most won't even do that. So, you will find just as many rifles in .308, .270, or .30-06 that lack accuracy and do not have "shootability". Your Kimber Hunter is offered in eight calibers with the same stock. No doubt, you would find all of them lacking in "shootability" just as much as you find the one chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. Just because you don't like the 6.5 rifle you have doesn't mean the cartridge is bad. . | |||
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Not optimal, but with the right bullet, why would the 6.5C not work on mooses and elkses? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I think there is somehing a 6.5 Creedmore can do that a 270 can't. It will fit into a shorter action and probably work with a 22" barrel. Overall makes a shorter rifle that is a bit lighter. But it can't kill big game any deader! I'd take the Creedmore of the two because I like the 6.5's! I've got a 6.5x55, mod 70 and a 6.5x06, mod 700. | |||
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I would take it elk hunting. This is a bit of a stunt but interesting, nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOo6gprtKeA . | |||
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Fair enough  Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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So why is the 6.5 CM being discussed in the Medium Bore Forum, which is defined as 270+??  | |||
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Surestrike:
I have that exact same rifle with a Leupold 2.5x8 on deck. Running Whitetail 129 Hornaday loads @ 100 yards it shoots under an inch with ease. It is light and slender, with great egro's - my son came down ( 35 years old ) and he ran a few rounds through it at the range and it put a big smile on his face! That's a damned fine gun, Dad! He says... If she doesn't like it - fine. Send it down the road. Their in demand for a reason.  Elk, it's what's for dinner..  | |||
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The 6.5 Creedmoor in action. Last weekend was opening weekend in Texas. On opening morning the 6.5 Creedmoor accounted for a boar hog, that afternoon a doe and yesterday morning this buck. All one shot kills at between 150-200 yards. It is a cheap Ruger Predator topped with a Nikon ProStaff 3.5-12x50 scope. Shooting Hornady Full Boar 120 grain GMX bullets. Pleasant to shoot, accurate and effective.  Mike | |||
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I think the 6.5 is still a medium board since traditionally it was used on large bodied game and about a thousand pachyderms by one famous fellow. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I will add to this by saying that the Kimber Hunter, Montana, and Mountain Ascent are all now chambered in both 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor. I had the opportunity to shoot a friends Montana in 308 about ten years ago, and you really have to concentrate on consistency in your shooting technique to get the best accuracy. However, it had "hunting accuracy" regardless. My experience shooting the Montana 308 kind of put me off on ultralight rifles altogether, but I've been thinking that such a rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor or 260Rem wood be the ultimate cartridge for the ultralight platform. I am a huge fan of the 308 and the 257 Roberts. The creedmoor and 260 seem to make a light recoiling, deep penetrating compromise between the two. I don't care about the long range aspect, as I would load any 6.5 with 140 partitions and go hunting. No long range stunts for me. In my opinion, elk are too hard to find (on public land in my neck of the woods) to risk terribly long range shots. Being north of 40, and having recently had a knee reconstructed, the ultralight Kimbers in 6.5 Creedmoor are calling my name. Both the 6.5 Creedmoor and 260 are equal to 6.5 swede performance, and that fine old round has taken thousands of Scandinavian Moose over the last century. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Better, Nope . Not if the caribou hunting I've done for the last 2 years is anything to go by. . My 18.6" barreled stainless Ruger Hawkeye in 6.5 Creedmoor is an easy shooting 1 round per kill rifle . All the guys I've been hunting by around were using 30/06 rifles. They are averaging around 2.25 rounds per caribou killed. That's their cumulative 7 caribou to my 4 .. their max distance was 225ish yards . 3 of mine were from 300-373ish yards. . The fact is that the Creed is so easy to shoot very well. It's almost like cheating. I've mostly used 130 grain bullets . TSX and Sirocco ll. Can the 06 ruin more meat ? Yes . Can an 06 kill a deer or caribou any deader or faster. No. Would I use my Creedmoor on big bull moose . I'm a heart beat. Now, granted. If a better game shot had been shooting those 06s then they all would have been one shot kills just like my Creed produced. Just like my 9.3×64 has produced. . One thing the 6.5 excelled in over the 06 or 270 ect. Is the ability to kill nicely furred foxes without blowing he'll out of the pelts . I load the 144 gr Lapua fmjbt @ 2600 fps. Pick a behind the shoulder shot. And it puts 2, 6.5 caliber holes thru the pelt with a double lung hit. It is easy to make shots to 400 yards for me. And no doubt a better shot could double my distance. So, from fox thru bull moose it's just a great, easy shooting round for a bush Alaskan like me. I waited years to find the perfect winter cartridge and rifle . And I did. And it was off the shelf. Originally mine had a 26" barrel. And I wrung it out with the 26" . But then my desire for a carbine over ride my desire for 2800 fps with a 140 gr bullet . So I got out the Sawzall, a flat file and an RCBS case champfer tool. One of the best things I ever did or had done to a rifle. Perfection !!!! Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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 A nice bodied bull . 300ish yards . 130 gr TSX . MV 2775 fps . Bullet entered along side the windpipe and exited along side the nutsack. Same side . Bull turned to go and collapsed. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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 Nice little cow bou . 373 yards 130 gr TSX. Texas heart shot . Collapsed on the spot. This one wasn't quite expired when I got to get so a pistol shot euthanized her. These were taken with a 1-4×24, SWFA SS Classic scope. Set on 4 power. Absolutely wonderful scope for a 6.5 Creedmoor carbine. Tho the rifle pushes a 140 gr bullet At 2600 fps which makes it still 1,000 yard gong ringing capable with just a stock and scope swap. The target stock I have and use on it is a Boyd's TactiCool with an adjustable recoil pad and cheek rest . And at this point I use a fixed 10×42 SWFA SS Classic scope with the mil dot reticle. Effective hunting round . Awesome target round . Plenty big enough. But not too big. If anything bigger is needed then it would be A 338 or larger. Not some pos 30 cal. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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This threads just proves that a cartridge with a decent bullet traveling at a decent velocity placed in the right place Well kill things that one shoots with it. The last I checked I have 30 to 40 dies for center fire rifle cartridges. I like shooting them all, well I own a 6.5 Creedmoor. Someday it the right rifle comes along at the right price at the right time. I suspect it well kill things just find just like the rest of them or a lot like the 6.5x55 | |||
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Yup ! The reason I got a 6.5 Creedmoor is it was chambered in the rifle I wanted , with an 8" twist . Just like the 375 Ruger when it came out, what makes the 6.5Creedmoor is it's just right , in a factory rifle at a reasonable cost. It just ticks all the right boxes for me. A target rifle, a fur rifle , and a big game rifle, . All in one . I can't imagine a more all around rifle. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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I am in love with the Ruger precision rifle. I handled one in 308 but they just sold the 6.5C they had. The 6.5C in RPR is on my bucket list. Need to sell some stuff...  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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MJines: Talk to me about that Ruger Predator ! There is one sitting on a rack in a local gun shop here and Ive been eying it ! Got the itch bad for this gun ! Already have the RPR and its a shooter, to heavy for a field gun so im looking ! | |||
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When shooting 1,000 yards bullet instability begins in the transonic range which is a couple hundred fps before the bullet goes subsonic. So shooters want their bullets arriving at 1,000 yards well above the transonic speed, or 1300 fps or so. Once a bullet starts pitching and yawing it drops off the target real quick. That is why you hear talk about bullets staying supersonic to 1200 or 1300 yards when the shooter is only shooting 1,000 yards. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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Why is this on the "Medium Bore Rifles" topic & what will this cartridge do that a 6.5 X 55 won't when loaded to pressure levels suitable for modern bolt actions? GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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This is similar to what I've been shooting matches with for years: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6521043/m/7191005091 The 7mm WSSM gives me capacity similar to a 284, uses the same bolt/receiver as the 7mm WSM, and gives plenty of room to fit long pointy bullets in a magazine. A 6.5WSSM would probably tick all the same boxes as the creed, but again: The whole magic of the creedmore is good factory support. Good advertising, good ammo, good components, good rifles--all off the shelf. | |||
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Is the 6.5 Creedmoor the Holy Grail of medium bores? Nope ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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That is incredible penetration. | |||
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Especially since it isn't a "medium bore" cartridge by the parameters of this topic. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I found a nice mature Roosevelt cow elk to turn my 6.5C on the other day. About 100 yards, popped her through the lungs with a Federal Fusion 140 bullet - complete pass through. Killed her just as dead as any of my other elk-able rounds would have. I like this one a lot though because it's just so darned easy to control ( hit with ).  Elk, it's what's for dinner.. | |||
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Probably not the holy grail, but I have one of the Cabelas 10T's that were $529, shoots 123 Scenars at 2900, but it only groups in the mid .3's and .4's for five shots, and holds less than .5MOA to 600 yards, which as far as I've shot it so far. I have no doubt it will kill game as well as a .270/7mm, which in my experience is pretty darn good. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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General consensus is that in the past ten years or so the 6mm Dasher has won more 600/1000yd matches and set more records than any other cartridge. My information comes from Robert Whitley, who is considered well versed in these things. | |||
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Would you use the 6mm Dasher to take a big deer or elk? . | |||
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6.5 is the thing in PRS matches. It's a little different from the prone or benchrest matches the old timers favored. | |||
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I think bottom-line, is that the Creedmoor is a damnded fine round...as are many others! Shoot straight, shoot often. Matt | |||
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