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I have had good luck with 165 g partitions in multiple 06’s. The two that shoot the best have their preferences, the Dakota shoots 165 partitions with 57 g of IMR 4350 at 3000 FPS into 1/2-1” groups (5 shot) depending on the lot of bullets. The Mauser gets 3050 FPS into 3/4-1” with the same load, but likes 180 A frames better. Neither of those 2 rifles care for 150’s I’ve got 8 06’s, and while all of them shoot 165’s decently by hunting standards, it’s interesting that each of them has a particular bullet that they really like more so than weight or powder. The Dakota 76 is by far the best of them with 165’s. It doesn’t shoot anything badly, but it likes 165 partitions from certain lots exceedingly well. Those two rifles also have rather fast barrels, at least with lighter loads... but neither get close to that kind of velocity with 200’s or 220’s. Given the velocity and accuracy, I like the 165 Partition in the one rifle. It’s a bit lighter billet, but essentially it’s a .300 WSM equivalent trajectory, and while a bench rester might say its inaccurate, there is little more I can ask of a hunting round. | |||
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Although the 165 will kill most animals it has absolutely no advantage over the 180 gr. bullet at the same velocity, in my case the same scenario works with the 200 gr. Noser partition or Accubond, it shoots the 200 gr. bullet at the same velocity as the 165 and 180 at 2700 FPS, its just hard to justify any other weight than the 200 gr. in the 06 an it holds its velocity way out yonder..Marriage made in Heaven. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, What are you trying to say? I mentioned above the 2 main rifles I hunt with in .30-06. The Dakota gets .5 MOA with a 165 partition and is 3000+ FPS. It shoots 180 partitions to 1.25 MOA at 2750 FPS. It shoots 180 AFrames to 1 MOA at 2775. The 200 Accubond it does not care for. 1.5 to 2 MOA at 2600. The Mauser gets .75-1 MOA with the 165 partition load. It is about 3030 FPS. While the partition is a little less accurate, the 180 a frame is .75 MOA at 2800 ish. The 200 A frame (haven’t messed with Noslers in 200 with this gun) does 2600 ahead of H4350, and gets 1 MOA. My point being is the 200 grain bullet that much better a mousetrap than the 180 or the 165? In those guns, I’ve shot them out to 400 enough to get a handle on them. My groups open up a bit, but that’s operator error more than anything, and the 165’s still group better and drop notably less than the 200’s with my loading and shooting. I don’t see the advantage you are stating. Yeah, if I get the magnum out and shoot the 200’s at 3000, they drop less, but the 400 FPS makes more difference than the weight (BC) does. At what point does the weight outweigh the velocity change, because I really doubt you are driving the 200’s at the same speeds you could drive the 165’s at if you pushed the pressures identically. Yes, if you shoot all 3 at the same 2700, I don’t have an argument there, but they do go out at different velocities if you work them up... Of course my experience is each rifle likes something better than another, and if a 2200 FPS load shoots .5 MOA, and everything else is 3 MOA, even if they go faster, you use the slower load, although the .30-06 seems to be a cartridge that shoots everything at least OK. | |||
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I'm mostly a deer hunter and like 165-grain bullets in the .30/06 because I can crank them out at 2,900+ fps. I get a nice flat trajectory and the additional mass of the 180s and 200s isn't needed on deer. Now, if I lived in an area where I could hunt both deer and elk simultaneously, then the 200-grain partition would certainly get the nod. | |||
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I would shoot the 165 as well in that case. | |||
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Back to the original topic: did you ever get that Mauser lined out, TJ? Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I know everyone has different opinions, but I agree with Ray Atkinson on this one, I prefer a heavy for caliber high-BC bullet. But for me, it also boils down to what shoots best in each rifle. Here is an article that puts it in better words than I ever could. I also included an article on the federal TLR 200 gr bullet. I am thinking this bullet would work well in a 30-06. https://www.shootingtimes.com/...-of-the-30-06/359132 https://www.shootingtimes.com/...-range-bullet/330154 | |||
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165 gr works well in my 06. Very sub minute of angle. 4064 is my powder of choice. I believe that powder/charge/bullet weight/bullet type/length overall are the important variables in finding a load that is sub MOA. My pre Garcia Sako L61r 30-06 is fond of 165 gr bullets per the previous owner. I worked up loads until I had the accuracy I desired. I use Sierra 165s, my rifle will put 10 touching at 100 yards with both the soft point and the hollow point. Whitetails have to catch the soft points and black bears or elk the hollow points. I believe the 165 is capable of anything the 150s or 180s are. It boils down to accuracy. | |||
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The 165's were kind of a fad back in the 1970's which is why most major ammo manufactures began loading them at the time. I was among those who got swept up into it. The reasoning was that they would shoot almost as flat as a 150gr but hold they're velocity better at long range and had about the same effect on game as a 180gr. I shot a lot of them for a number of years especially Remington Corelokts out of my 30-06. I finally moved on when I realized that most of the game I was shooting was under 100 yards and on a big Roosevelt elk the 180's hit slightly harder, penetrated better and held together more uniformly. But I think the 165 grain bullets used in more open country still can hold their own. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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