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I have Used IMR-4350 and RL-19 for nearly all my 06 loads. For the most part the Bullets have been 150s I got this new JC higgins model 50 30,06 And since i have 2 great shooting .308s, i think i will use those to send 150 grain bullets after what ever i am shooting at, So this nice light weight 06 with a 22 inch barrel in order to convince myself its better than the .308 is going to try some 165 grain Sierra Boat tails. Do you think IMR-4350 is still a top choice I would be happy to get past 2800, and right close to MOA. Still waiting for the timney trigger i ordered, to show , and i plan to put a new VX3I 2.5X8 on her. I picked the sierra bullet because i have about 200 of them on hand. And it should be perfect for mule deer and good for Elk too ! | ||
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Top muzzle velocities with Re22 from my .30-06. https://load-data.nosler.com/l...a/30-06-springfield/ | |||
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I've got a model 50 also. I've only been shooting 180 gr. Partitions over Noslers max load of rl22, get just over 2800 fps. Shot a bison with it, worked great. | |||
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I tested three powders using 168 grain Barnes TTSX bullets in my first 30-06. IMR 4064, IMR 4350 and H 4350. I shot four three shot groups with each powder and measured them to see if one shot more accurately than the other. H 4350 shot the smallest average group, followed closely by IMR 4350 and IMR 4064. So, I chose H 4350 and have used it ever since. It works good for me in my three 30-06s. | |||
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A quality 30 cal bullet, SIerra, Nosler and so. 165 grains with 49.5 grain of IMR 4064 I use Federal GMM magnum primers and R-P brass. It's very accurate in all rifles that I've tried it in. Work up your load with these components and you should be successful. --------------------------------- We unfortunately will vote our way into socialism. The end result will be having to shoot our way out of it. | |||
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Never used 4064 in an 06, i like the idea cause its a faster burn, and should save powder money. i have a couple cans on hand for my .308s too. I started loading for it last night. I did up a few with IMR-4350. I hope to shoot it in the next couple days. But i will try some 4064 too. I notice quite a few loads in print for RL15 too ...tj3006 | |||
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I'm a huge fan of IMR4350 in a bunch of different cartridges and the 30/06 is one of them, I'm also finding that Reloader17 is a great choice too, very effective with 165 grain bullets. | |||
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I could get stellar accuracy with my two 06s with 180 and 150 grain bullets but I couldn't get 165 grain bullets to shoot better than just fair in either rifle. I dunno, maybe I just didn't find the right formula, but I tried different things and finally gave up on them in that cartridge. Hope you have better accuracy than I could find. Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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If they shoot accurately, use them, they kill well. However I see them as neither fish nor fowl..I can drive a 180 as fast and in reality I can almost drive a 200 as fast. I shoot the 200 gr. Accubond at 2700 FPS in one rifle and 2644 FPS in the other..about what I shoot a 165. Might as well shoot the heavier bullet in that case..I do know the 200 gr. Nosler Accubond and partitions, expand on small deer and lagre elk and moose. I culled small whitetail does with the Accubonds for the last two years.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Many years ago when I bought my first .30-06 I used 165 grain Corelokts pretty much exclusively. More than a few deer & elk and one Canadian moose bit the dust with that combination. Now I'm more of a 180 grain fan for the same application and can afford more expensive bullets  but I'm sure the 165's would still work just fine.Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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4350 is THE powder for the 30-06 in my opinion. I look for accuracy 1st and velocity second. Speed is fine, accuracy is final I am a H4350 guy. I have found 57.5 grains with 165/168 grain bullets to shoot very well in 4 different 30-06s. That may be a tiny bit above book max for some bullets but remember SAAMI is only 60K for the 30-06. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I have good luck with Varget & 165g TSX & 168g TTSX   | |||
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My choice for 165s in the 30-06 is W-760. Best accuracy and best velocity (2900 fps) of any powder I tried. | |||
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168gr barnes ttsx reloder 19 fast and accurate 1953 mauser devastating on mn. whitetail bucks | |||
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I use IMR-4831 with 165-grain bullets and safely obtain over 2,900 fps. This is in a Model 70 with a 24" barrel. I use the same powder with both 190-grain and 200-grain bullets and get close to 2,700 fps. Reloader 17 is also good with the 200-grain bullets. | |||
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The 4350's are good in the '06 with 165's, as are a number of other powders. I've recently gone to RL17 which generates both excellent velocities and good accuracy. | |||
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When I got my 30-06 over 50 years ago, my thinking was select a powder that would give good velocity with different bullet weights. Realistically, that wasn't realistic. For me, it would be a nightmare trying to remember which weight bullet my scope was adjusted for and re-zeroing every time I wanted to use a different weight bullet. But for that reason I selected 4064. Used it for years and heard many many times that 4350 was THE powder. Got some 4350 and in my rifle, 4064 shoots better groups. Many folks disagree with this, but I use 150 grain bullets. I might get arguments from folks over this, but the deer, caribou, antelope, moose that I've shot haven't argued. | |||
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I tried it out Sunday, Not real good with anything. But i think it will be. I got just over 2 inches with some 150 grain hornady flat bases bullets over IMR 4350 , 1.6 With Hornay 165s over RL-17 And a decent 1.40 with the Sierra 165s over IMR 4350. There was a lot of contact in the barrel channel especially at the tip,so i Sanded that down and now i can pass a folded dollar through the channel. I drags a little at the tip but just barely , I might sand some more. I bet it improves things quite a bit. The Sierra bullet is almost good enough now,i like 1.25 inch groups for deer hunting. But expect it will do better. I might have it bedded, too but i think it will not need it...tj3006 | |||
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Are you using a chronograph? I would be willing to bet that the Rl-17 will best any of the IMR loads by about 100 fps at similar pressure. When loaded to a lightly compressed state, Rl-17 exhibits very consistent Mv.  GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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The problem with the 30-06 and the 308 is they seem to work fine with a great number of powder and bullet combinations...Not a bad deal at all. I think my 06 would shoot crused ghram crackers under a marble at 3000 FPS in a one inch group..there just not particular!!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have a Chronograph, And when i find a load the rifle likes i will chrony it. Since RL17 is in My powder machine i should put some under the sierra bt. I think the load i shot was the Hornady Flat base over 58 grains even, and i had nor pressure signs , so 58.4 should be fine...tj3006 | |||
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Varget and any quality 220gn bullet ... That combo right there will give you an 'Anywhere-in-the-World' 30-06 load. Varget is especially useful because it's not as temperature-sensitive as the other powders mentioned above. Save the light 165gn pills for the .308. All The Best ... | |||
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Well that's one opinion but for general use anyone with any experience with a 30/06 and deer and elk know that crippling the 30/06 with 220 grain bullets is foolish. | |||
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Why would you handicap yourself with a 220gr? A 180gr bullet or 165gr mono would do everything you need accomplished with a 30-06. | |||
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In just about everything I have tried Rl-17 in, predictions run about 2 gr behind. I would not hesitate to work up towards 60.4 gr with the 165 gr Hornady in the '06.. I use Rl-17 with great success in 7mm-08 with 140 gr BTs, 8 x 57IS with 200 gr Speer Hotcors and 30/40 Krag with various 160-170 gr bullets. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I've found that a load of 50 grains of Varget seems to shoot every 165-168 grain bullet I've tried and very nearly to the same POI. That came in handy when I was testing 30 caliber bullets on cull hunts. Velocities are in that 2900 range; depending on the gun. I haven't found an 30-06 that wouldn't shoot that load. | |||
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up to 150's IMR 4064 165 and over, one of the 4350's | |||
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It amazes me that despite the advances on "high energy" powders over the last 20 years, so many still cling to the old IMR "standby" powders. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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It amazes me that despite the advances on "high energy" powders over the last 20 years, so many still cling to the old IMR "standby" powders. Not amazing really. Newer propellants are really good. More consistent burn with lower pressures for sure but not necessarily superior accuracy. It all comes down to the components being put together to get best accuracy. As I often find the older propellants can still deliver great, frequently best accuracy. For sure if they were lagging in this regard they just wouldn't be carried by stores as shooters would not be using them. I think they'll be around for a while. Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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I have found that when load density just begins to exceed 100%, standard deviation and groups sizes shrink. I can achieve that in everything from 30/40 Krag to 8mm-06 Ackley Improved with either Rl-17 or Norma MRP. My 280 Rem loved compressed loads of Norma MRP under a 140 gr bullet. 3/4" 100 yds groups at 3250 fps. At one time I used Vv N550 and N560 but found the same performance with the less expensive alternatives above. I get similar performance as below with Rl-17 and Speer Hotcors.  GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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Here's a 165 NP that started at 2450fps out my wife's 300 Savage, another bear that caught the same recipe  . I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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Awesome photos Waterrat! 300 Savage is still out there putting in work!  "Let me start off with two words: Made in America" | |||
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Waterrat, tell the Mrs. I think that is most excellent! .300 Savage is one of my favorite rounds. | |||
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I always used 58gr of either 4350/165-168 and 60-61gr R22/200PT. | |||
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But she's a girl and everybody knows they only need a reasonable caliber plus good bullet placement to take game. The guys however need a cannon just to keep up.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Those pictures will really put a dampener on the “adequate caliber”argument for a day or two. Thank God Ms Waterrat didn’t try to kill those bears with a 45-70. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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4895 is THEpowder in both the 30-06 and 308 for accuracy. Been that way for half a century. (but I'm thinking Varget may take this spot going forward.) Thant being said, my go-to bullet for hunting with my 06 has been the Sierra 180 SPBT behind a max load of H-4831. I also like H-414 (W-760) behind the same bullet. The 308, I like 190's (my rifle has a 1:10 twist)behind 4064. I forget the charge .. NRA Benefactor. Life is tough... It's even tougher when you're stupid... John Wayne | |||
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Im Savage 99 fan in .308 and a 30-06 fan in bolt guns..I use the 165 in the powder limited .308 case at about 2700 FPS, and the 180 or 200s in the 30-06 at 2700 FPS. The .308 just does better with the 165 at the same velocity as the 180 30-06 give or take a tad, keeping in mind my .308 is a Savage and accepts about 2 grs. less than a bolt action .308 as a rule.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Other than velocity, what advantage(s) does a 165 gr.bullet offer over a 180 gr. bullet? | |||
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Good question. | |||
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