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Winchester Model 70, stainless/synthetic, 180 grain Nosler Partition. "Beware the man with only one gun; he may know how to use it." | |||
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Well O'Connor and Keith were wrestling it out one day over which gun and load was the best. They asked the Indian with them to break the tie . The old Indian said, "All good gun, you hit 'em good."  But some are just more good . | |||
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Well, no socket-wrench cartridges for me since I can't find ammo for them in Alaska. My choice is the .338WM loaded with Federal or Barnes factory ammo that's topped with 225-grain TSX or similar. Now, for the lower-48 States on pronghorn or small deer at a distance, Federal loads 180-grain NOS bullets that hit the 500-yard mark within 2.5" from the 180-grain .30-caliber NOS fired with a .300WM. Off subject: just saw some .338WM Barnes ammo at Walmart. The ammo is loaded with the 225-grain bullet posted somewhere above (has a blue plastic tip). Anyway, bought a box as a gift for a friend of mine, and was shocked at the price. Cost me $72.00! | |||
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.30-06 for me. A close second would be .300 win, especially of elk and bears were something I hunted more often. | |||
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Making us chose one caliber is like making a woman pick one pair of shoes for everything, ain't gonna happen! 30-06 &300WM | |||
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Roy Weatherbys 300 magnum. 125 grain B-Tips to 220 grains of Partition the bases are covered. And it is still as cool as the day it was born! | |||
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There is really no need for cases bigger than the 06, as it today gives us the same as the belted mags gave us back in the 50's. The ideal bullet is the 8mm, as it from that case can give a 200g bullet With SD above.270 a V0 at 2800. That is a hell of a package. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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Roy would most likely pick his 257 | |||
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.270 for me, though I admit I am very biased as I'm a gigantic fan of the cartridge. I used to hate it and bash it endlessly, but that was before I had used it for anything and was just repeating what others beat into my head. Then a Ruger M77 in .270 was for sale at a great price and I bought it.... I admit I'm a younger guy not swimming in experience, but it has served me well. Give me a 140 grain NBT and a 150/160 NPT and I would feel pretty good hunting deer through grizzly bears. 7MM is another great choice. | |||
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325 WSM...hands down the most versatile...bigger than the 30-06 by quite a bit and not as punishing as the 338 WM for every day Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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30/06; .338; 9.3X62 all fine options. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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We have our favorites .....I'm an '06 fan and it'll damn sure do the job! But a bigger heavier bullet of a 338 (or larger) for the big bears makes things more comfy.  SUPPORT OUR TROOPS !!!! | |||
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Anything from .270 to .375 H&H will work fine. I shoot a .300Wm at most stuff and .270 at the rest. | |||
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Make mine a 3006. It can handle everything from jacks to elk and beyond. Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page. | |||
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If I could only have one rifle for all NA I would pick my sentimental favorite, the venerable .375 H&H. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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Gee, ask an opinion on an all around, then give choices that frankly.... I would not even use to deer hunt with! All around, either a .338wm or a 375 H+H. | |||
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I've used the 7mm Rem Mag and 340 WBY Mag extensively in NA. As much as I love those two calibers, I've found a new favorite. I came late to the 300 Mag party but have found that caliber to do everything necessary on the NA continent with the possible exception of the big bears. I know it WILL handle a big brownie as well when push comes to shove, but I'd opt for more horsepower on things that bite and scratch with authority. My personal favorite today, and the gun I find in my hands almost exclusively when not hunting DG, is my Ruger No.1 in 300H&H Mag shooting the Barnes TTSX 180gr at 3050fps. I can't really say it's a compromise caliber and bullet combo, but rather seems to be optimized for just about any task at hand, fully capable of handling the entire range of tasks asked of it. So my vote is for the 300 Mags ... the particular variety being not so important. | |||
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Hmmm. A 180 grain 30 calibre bullet, sent along about 250 fps faster than a 30-06. Yes, that will get the job done nicely as long as the bullets are up to the task and the 180 TTSX should meet the challenges.  I've taken game with borrowed 300WMs and 300 Weatherbys. They always worked. But I've been over at the reception party of the 338's. I'm just lacking a lot of NA experience, and perspectives change when DG is in the forest, as you mentioned with brown bears. Recently, I've been rethinking an idea to find loads that provide 100 yard impacts under 2700fps (except for CEB non-cons, that seem to work as advertised at higher impacts). The 338WM seems pretty good for handling the .338" bullets in a standard action. Ruger's little 338RCM could also work, though I would have preferred their case at 2.5"--2.58" length. However, to be honest, the Ruger 375 is good as is. I suppose that I think of the bullet first and the delivery system second. Inconsistenly, I give the 270 a thumbs-up, too, and include it as an entry level flatshooter. Yes, I enjoyed both Elmer Keith and Jack O'Connor. All around? A 2800-3000fps muzzle velocity in a calibre of choice ought to cover over 95% of hunting for meat on the table. The important thing is to have something to hunt and something to hunt with. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I would think that an all around rifle for North America" would include Alaska. A .338WM loaded with Federal ammo with 180-grain NOS partition can be used for pronghorn and small deer in the lower-48 States, but I would not use the same ammo for hunting bears in Alaska. It means that it can very well be used as an all around caliber for North America; just use the right ammo for the hunt. | |||
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9.3 X 62, with the right handloads is good enough for anything in N.A. and the world to boot! In a 7.6 lb Tikka, ready to go with scope, ammo and sling, it's never a burden. My second choice would be a 23" barrel in a 9.5 lb all up, ready to go .458 W.M. It can mimic a BP load in .45-70, a 180gr .30-06 load in trajectory using 300 and 350gr TSX's, or Wooly Mammoth loads using a 500gr at 2160. What's not to like? And a .30-06 would be a good varmint rifle! Bob www.bigbores.ca "Let every created thing give praise to the LORD, for he issued his command, and they came into being" - King David, Psalm 148 (NLT) | |||
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Hmmm...a 30-06 launches a 180 grn pill @ 2750 a 9,3x62 launches a 286 grn @ 2300 Don't think that is the same trajectory Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The 9.3 Tikka is a very fine rifle and if it were up to me I'd let you hunt buffalo with it. I'd probably get one for my wife. But in Tanzania they won't write a buffalo license for it. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Looks like you guys are out of luck for DG in Africa with a Tikka until they start chambering a in .375 or larger caliber or until you do a re-barrel to an acceptable caliber. You're only $$$ away... Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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30-06 or 280 Rem. | |||
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The Tikka is limited by magazine length but it offers a 338WM chambering. The same boltface would work for the 375Ruger within the length restrictions. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Also chambered in 300 WinMag. The SAAMI COAL for the three cartridges is the same so the magazine length shouldn't be an issue... Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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7x57mm for everything I want to hunt. | |||
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.300 Win. 30-06 bullets at .270 speed. | |||
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Whatever a person wants to use and is comfortable with. Why does there have to be One All Around Rifle for hunting anywhere? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Finally some common sense ! A 14 year old might hunt anything in NA but the big bears and moose. A 6mm with the right bullets would "get er' done". Someone like me who has put many thousand rounds down the pipe is very happy with a 375 H&H as there is nothing walking this side of the pond it cannot take from 0 to 300 yards. The right answer is: "it depends." | |||
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If forced to pick one rifle, caliber, to hunt the No. American continent and even if you added Africa I would be force to pick the 30-06. I have yet to see it fail on any animal if you use the right bullet.. But I am sure not going to sell my .338 Win. It is my go to elk, Moose and big bear gun. I hate this ever cropping up question!  what about my 404, 416, 375, 7x57, 9.3x62, 250-3000, 30-30, 25-35, 308 WCF,270 WCF, I have to have them, I just do!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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What no 22 RF, 22 Hornet, 222, 22-06, 25-06, 6.5x55, 300 winmag, 32 special, 400 Whelen, 40-82, 400 H&H, 450/400, 458 winmag ? How are you surviving ? (chuckle) Agree on the 06' although it would probably be my NM M-1. "8 shots quick", takes a bayonet and is a helluva a club. The trick is you have to own so many the wife can't keep track of them. | |||
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300 Win Mag for North America, 375 H&H Ackley Improved for the Planet Earth. | |||
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30-06 in a crf model 70 | |||
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250@2600 is close enough, with a lot more ass. 30-06 is the lightest I'd consider for an all around North American rifle. 9.3x62 with handloads is the lightest I'd pick for a one world rifle. I'd want the extra velocity for trajectory rather than killing effect. | |||
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Those will get the job done, no question. And I appreciate the consideration of velocity around 2600fps. For me, that is what I consider appropriate for unaided hunting (without a rangefinder) out to 300 yards. However, your all-world rifle needs to be upgraded to the 375Ruger calibre in order to be legal in some African countries. With a modified boltface, the 375Ruger will fit any rifle that handles the 30-06 and 9.3. Montana Rifles now lists it as a production line, and old mauser actions handle it, so one is not limited to only the Ruger models in controlled-feed. You can load the 375 Ruger with 250 grain bullets at a comfortable 2600fps, or up the ante to 2850-2900fps should you choose. That makes it a 400 yard rifle with a rangefinder. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Constrained to one it would be my old factory (I bedded in a Bansner stock) Ruger M77 RS 35 Whelen. It throws 225 gr TSX's at 2700 fps. Moose, elk, bears, hogs and deer have fallen to it.  | |||
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Anywhere I can afford to hunt they'll let me use a 9.3 haha, but good point. I wish the 376 Steyr had been a hit. | |||
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.300 H&H. Nothing will feed and extract as well. You can upload and download to your needs and have all the .30 caliber bullet selection. If the original question was world wide, then the .375 H&H is my choice. Reality, when you are a rifle loony like all of us, it is hard to get by with anything less than a half dozen rifles. | |||
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Sell all but the 338-06 or get one if you don't have one and if you must discuss it with the win mag crowd AI it! BTDT with 160-250 grainers. taking brown bear down to white tail and throw in six one shot kills on african game from bush pig to zebra/sable/etc. yes, i have the fabled win mag and it stays in the gun safe as do the 30-06's awaiting there turn to become the next 338-06. Gotta luv it! | |||
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