Hello everybody, because there are people with a lot of experience in this forum I want to ask to all of you a recomendation. I have for mountain hunt in the patagonia (Redstags) a Remington 700 BDL customed by mylself like an ultralight rifle, (Because the Rem titanium, Mountain KS and ultraligth rifles inc. are not available in my country)Now im thinking to buy another 300 Winchester Mag. rifle (for my oldson and as a backup or spare rifle) which rifle do you think is the most accurate of all of these 300 Winc.Mag.that are available in my country:

-Manlicher Pro-Hunter
-Sako 75
-tikka t3 Hunter
-Weatherby Vanguard
-Savage 116FSAK
-CZ 550 American
-Robler titan 6
-Ruger M77

I want to keep in the .300 winch. Mag. caliber (the 165 grs Barnes is amazing doing his job !!! at every range), because is the most popular in my country and is easier to find ammo or reloading components, every is perfect with my REM, but i want to try another brand or accion, remember that im looking for the most accurate. I hope you comments Regards Guillermo.

Take the Ruger Mk77

My best rifle in the safe!!!!

m77
cz
in this order

Another vote for Ruger

Without hesitation IMO

Steyr first
Sako second

Individual rifles certainly vary in accuracy, no matter who the manufacturer is. Steyr and Sako have well-deserved reputations for accuracy. Late model Savages do also, and the Tikka has a good reputation. However, you won't know an individual rifle's accuracy until you have owned it and fired it fairly extensively. There is no gaurantee that you can consistently do better than your current Remington.

It is curious that several would mention the Ruger. Although it is a very serviceable rifle, it is NOT known for its accuracy.

My Ruger M77 Mark II is the most accurate 30 mag I own. Beating out my WBY Mark V 300 wby mag & my M70 300 win mag.

The only 2 rifle I can comment on are thr Ruger and the savage. I had a savage 114 american in 30-06 an now have a Ruger mark II stainless in 300 win mag.

I would go with the ruger. it feels better in my hands and kicked the same as the savage 30-06 I had previously. I put a hogue overmold stock on the Ruger and now it feels like a .270.

The accuracy on my Ruger is very good. the trigger is a little heavy, but It's still able to shoot accurately. The fit and finish seems a little better than the savage. I'm eventually going to replace the trigger Also, the scope mounting system on the Ruger is very good.
I have not had the other brands, but I would choose the Ruger over the Savage.

I also had a Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 that shot like crap, which is weird because I had the exact same Remington in a 270 that shot accurately. Remington feels like a hit and miss with the lower end models.

I will however never sell my Ruger 300 win mag.

Every rifle has it's good and bad points but picking one brand for out of the box accuracy, I would say that the Savage would be the best bet.

Individual guns will vary and the people here are going to be predjudiced for their favorites but if you look at all the latest news the one brand consistently mentioned as having the best accuracy without any work being done is almost always Savage.

I have two centerfire Savages. They are not my favorite rifles or my most accurate rifles but my guns that shoot better than them have a lot of accurizing gunsmith work done to them. Any improvements done to my Savages is just the work that I could do at home by myself.

Savages are the most accurate out of the box. They make great varmint rifles. But I have had more feeding and extaction trouble with them in any other rifle. I have 8 in the house. I wouldn't use one for big game.

I would pick the Ruger ever one I have ever owned well do the job.

I don't mind at all being the lone decenter...

the Weatherby Vanguard is my choice easily.....

Yes the Steyr and Sako are also good but it's my money and my gun and it's the Vanguard!

I've have got very good accuracy with out of the box CZ550s. Of course, I'm a rifle whore and wouldn't turn down a Sako, Steyr, Ruger, or Vanguard either.

I vote for the Ruger first.......................cz are great but there .300 win mag is in there safari rifle and is far to heavy for a .300 winnie

Hi:

My opinion only.... Sako 75 first... CZ second...Ruger third... just in accuracy.

Regards.. Jim P.

I'm with Vapodog, the Vanguard would be my choice, or the Ruger, really a toss-up for me. Although you can pick up a Vanguard for $100+/- less than the Ruger. Upshot on the Ruger, at least for me, is that it's American made. I do love my Sub-MOA in 300 Roy though. Just picked up a M77 MKII in 257 Bob last week. Looking forward to some barrel break-in tomorrow.

David

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Originally posted by scubapro:
Take the Ruger Mk77

My best rifle in the safe!!!!

Absolutely right!

So, here goes my personal preference list :

1) Ruger M77 Mk2 SS
2) CZ 550 ( it's a pity it is not SS )
3) Tikka T3
4) Sako 75

as can be seen by the keen observer I favour every time a CRF action, integral scope mounts, 3-pos safety and a sturdy, tough action.

Accuracy wise, my Ruger in .300WM is very capable of placing 3-shot groups of less than an inch at 150 meters ( 164 yards ) with a good load of R22 launching the fantastic Barnes TSX of 180 grains.

Scope is a Leupold Mk4 LR/T which is also responsible for helping me to achieve a high level of confidence, especially when a long range shot is presented.

On stags, it was always a one-shot one-kill business.

Not to start a fight...but my last choice will be a R700...only if doomsday is close.

If you can afford the Sako then do so, it is by far the best of the bunch you have listed.

The next best would be the Steyr Pro-Hunter

The Tikka would be at no. 3 with great accuracy straight from the box. And fitted with a Sako trigger and barrel, it is probably the best value around.

After that it is

4. CZ
5. Savage
6. Ruger
7. weatherby.

Cant say i've ever heard of a Robler Titan ?

Another vote for Sako - anyday.

I would also consider a Weatherby Mk 5 in 300 Wby, if you were to consider that caliber.

One of the strongest actions around - tested to 200 000 psi. Most other actions would fall apart at those sort of pressures.

Love the Mk 5 in a Delux.

I think i would go for the new ruger hawkeye.
I would go for the wood and blue steel version.
But you sure can't go wrong with a sako either...tj3006

Except for the Robler and the Savage, I've had em all, though not all in 300 WM.

I'd go for the Sako.

Ruger are nice, but heavy, the CZs are good, but hit and miss with accuracy and fit and finish, though CZ would be my second choice. Weatherby is fine. I did have the Pro Hunter and didn't really care for it, more the feel of the rifle, but it too was very accurate, and Tikka is just a jr. varsity Sako.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

Sako b/c thats what I shoot- m75SS. Great rifle . My hunting buddy and I bough them at the same time in 1997-98. Rifles have been put thru the all weather/hunt conditions (up to -40 for whitetails/mulies, and thru spring weather for bears, the warm fall hunts for elk and moose). 180gr Accubonds are a great choice for the 300WM.

Next choice would be the Tikka T3 in the Laminate Stainless model.

I would have no second thoughts about a Vanguard Sub MOA stainless... My Ruger 77 stainless in 30-06 has always been accurate but is more so now with just having my smith do a trigger job and had him put on a real recoil pad (not that hockey puck they come with)... Been a real sweet shooter since these simple tweaks... My Weatherby Accumark on the other hand was simply OUTSTANDING right out of the box...

If dollars count I wouldn't hesitate on the Ruger... If you've got a couple extra buck look at the Vanguard Sub MOA, you won't be sorry....

Ken...

Sako builds a great rifle and they are gauranteed sub moa accurate unlike most of the others besides Tikka.

I can't believe so many are voting Ruger. The M77s are some of the most inaccurate rifles I've ever shot. They are known for being inaccurate around here. They are a dependable rifle but, accuracy is a crap shoot with a M77 IMO.

Good Luck

Reloader

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Originally posted by Reloader:
Sako builds a great rifle and they are gauranteed sub moa accurate unlike most of the others besides Tikka.

I can't believe so many are voting Ruger. The M77s are some of the most inaccurate rifles I've ever shot. They are known for being inaccurate around here. They are a dependable rifle but, accuracy is a crap shoot with a M77 IMO.

Good Luck

Reloader

I heard that too many times, however I like accurate rifles as anybody else.

And my personal experience with many of them ( .243, 300, .458, .308 ) tells me the other way around.

Yes, they can be accurate if you use a good load, a good scope and a good day at the range.

Several of the rifles you mention have a distinct disadvantage when chambered in .300 Winchester Magnum, that being restricted magazine length. Those with magazines approximately 3 3/8" in length like the Ruger 77 do not allow the bullet on the 2.62" case to be seated out as far as is often desireable (they are designed for cases that are no more than 2.5" like the .30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag.) Rifles with magazines of about 3 5/8" (Sako, Browning A-bolt, Rem 700, etc.) do much better with the .300 WM, allowing the handloader to increase the cartridge OAL and decrease bullet jump to the lands as well as slightly (but sometimes critcally) increase powder space.

Winchester designed their slightly stretched .300 to work in a "standard length" action, but only by seating the bullet very deep. By any reasonable measure, it deserves a "full length" magazine.

Hello Gustavo,
I think you are expressing less than desireable accuracy from Ruger rifles some years ago. Today, the Ruger 77 in whatever configuration will far outshoot most shooters at any range selected. Some 30 years or more ago, shot a Ruger 77V in .243 at sporting matches and did replace the barrel with a Douglas, but the rifles Ruger builds today are certainly a far cry from those days. They will shoot with the best over the counter rifles out there now. Believe all their barrels/centerfire today are hammer forged and from my own experience do not show signs of stress even after a lot of shots at one time.
For the money, the Ruger rifle is tops in my opinion. True mauser style action made in America, double bridge/mount system, well designed walnut stock, latest versions have very good hunting trigger, tough mount system included with rifle. Hard to beat!!

Either the Vanguard or Ruger, but put a Hogue stock on it.

1. Steyr
2. Sako
3. Weatherby

Some of the best shooting I've seen at the last two year's deer rifle sight-in days was with a box stock Tikka in 300 Win Mag. The Vanguard (or the essentially identical Howa) is a great value; I know a couple guys with 7mm Rem Mags who won't part with theirs until they're six feet under. For "strong like tractor" rugged go with the CZ. I briefly owned two Pro-Hunters (in 6.5x55 and 9.3x62 respectively) that I sold before finding out they were sub-MOA shooters. Everyone who owns a Savage swears by theirs but they're not very pretty. Choices, choices...

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Originally posted by Reloader:
Sako builds a great rifle and they are gauranteed sub moa accurate unlike most of the others besides Tikka.

I can't believe so many are voting Ruger. The M77s are some of the most inaccurate rifles I've ever shot. They are known for being inaccurate around here. They are a dependable rifle but, accuracy is a crap shoot with a M77 IMO.


Reloader

Reloader nailed it--looking for consistent accuracy with an out of the box Ruger is not easy to find.

After that, WHAT TUMBO SAID:

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"If you can afford the Sako then do so, it is by far the best of the bunch you have listed.

The next best would be the Steyr Pro-Hunter

The Tikka would be at no. 3 with great accuracy straight from the box. And fitted with a Sako trigger and barrel, it is probably the best value around.

After that it is

4. CZ
5. Savage
6. Ruger
7. weatherby."

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Originally posted by dsiteman:
Hello Gustavo,
I think you are expressing less than desireable accuracy from Ruger rifles some years ago. Today, the Ruger 77 in whatever configuration will far outshoot most shooters at any range selected. Some 30 years or more ago, shot a Ruger 77V in .243 at sporting matches and did replace the barrel with a Douglas, but the rifles Ruger builds today are certainly a far cry from those days. They will shoot with the best over the counter rifles out there now. Believe all their barrels/centerfire today are hammer forged and from my own experience do not show signs of stress even after a lot of shots at one time.
For the money, the Ruger rifle is tops in my opinion. True mauser style action made in America, double bridge/mount system, well designed walnut stock, latest versions have very good hunting trigger, tough mount system included with rifle. Hard to beat!!

Hi dsiteman,

Sorry I was not clear enough.

My impression is that the Ruger is a very accurate rifle. I own and owned many of them.

It's by far my preferred brand. Dependable CRF, integral scope mounts, 3-pos safety, all SS construction, and again, very accurate.

So far, the CZ is my second choice, however it's heavy and not available in SS.

The Tikka T3 is a sure performer, very accurate too.

Not a fan of the Sako or Weatherby.

Hello Gustavo,
It is I ,sir, who was not clear and directed my favorable comments of the Ruger to the person who is actually fond of the Ruger rifles. My apologies. Age dims ones wits at time!! Again, my mistake and thanks for your gracious reminding me of my error. As you so clearly stated the Ruger rifles offer many feature/benefits over others available on the market today.

The only one I'd buy off of that list would be the Sako.


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Hey Guys !!! Take a look !!! Today I received two retail price list from two seriuos gunshop in my country , the sako and the malincher almost cost 70 to 100 % (In some cases) more than the other rifles , I checked this on internet and I saw that in other countries the price diferences are not so big ( A Pro-Hunter in USA u$699!!! and a TikkaT3 U$600 !!! ) . I have the money, but Im not going to pay to an swindler importer for a rifle more that its real value, just only for "the brand" .
So I decided to discard from the list the Steyr and the Sako (Im really Sorry Ferdinand!!!) and Iam really convenced, that the Manlicher or Sako will not be more accurate than the other rifles (P/ Example the CZ or Ruger) to pay that money, I let out the Robler, because I think (is only my opinion) is an Austrian cheap copy of the unsuccefully rifle: the SiG SHR 970, with alloy receiver and interchangeable barrels (unavailables in Argentina!!!), the CZ, are Excelent Rifles!!!! but because I have one CZ550 CUSTOM IN 416 RIGBY !!!! for "Dangerous Game" and is a improve version of the 98k, and a custom DWM 1909 k98 Mauser Studzen in 300 W.M. made by my self, I want to try other action/receiver type.
I let the Vanguard because is not a Genuine American or early Germany Weatherbys, is a JAPANESE HOWA ??? with other name ! ! ! . And finally the Savage because I dont like his safety in front of the bolt handle and the general stetic.
This way of thinking (maybe strange or uncommon let me two choices, the venerable Ruger M77 (Another k98 improve Mauser receiver) and the unknown Tikka, I must admit that Im very squeptical about Ruger accuracy, but im going to give it a chance.Next week a friend of mine will facilitate me a Ruger 300 w.m. I will try in the weekend how it shots. Who will borrowed me a Tikka ? I dont know, Wish me luck!!! Thanks to everybody for your advice !!! Thanks, Thanks, Thaks!!! All open my mind and enrich my knoledgements. Regards: Guillermo.

-Ruger M77 u$1350
-Tikka T3 Hunter u$1160
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-Sako 75 u$2250 (OUT)
-Manlicher Pro-Hunter U$2000 (OUT)
-CZ 550 American u$1300 (OUT)
-Robler titan 6 u$1290 (OUT)
-Weatherby Vanguard u$1100(OUT)
-Savage 116FSAK u$1050(OUT)

Guillermo,

As I posted earlier the two from the list I would go with would be the Ruger or the Vanguard... My Ruger was decently accurate out of the box but did need the trigger worked on, I understand the new Hawkeye is supposed to have a better trigger... You'll find the "recoil" pad is not what it needs to be also...

DON'T sell the Vanguard short because it's not an "American" action... Especially with the Sub MOA rifles... They are quite accurate right out of the box... If it's a "genuine" Weatherby that is in your mind, there is only one anyway and that's any of them with the Mark V action, and a price to match.... My Accumark simply is outstanding but then too it's almost the cost of a very basic custom rifle...

Ken....

There's absolutely no way anyone could convince me to buy a Ruger over a Tikka. I hope you get a very good shooter but, Why not go with a Accuracy Gaurantee? It will be a big gamble to get an accurate Ruger and if it doesn't shoot your stuck with it. The Tikka must shoot under an inch or they will fix it. Easy choice for me.

Good Luck with whichever Rifle you choose.

Reloader

I understand that CZ is offering a new model of the 550 action called the CZ 550 Ultimate Hunting Rifle chambered in 300 Win mag with a guarantee of minute of angle accuracy to 1000 yards. Has anyone looked into or had any experience with this rifle? Out of the list posted above I liked the Ruger and the CZ but I'm very partial to controlled round feed. R.

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Originally posted by Reloader:
There's absolutely no way anyone could convince me to buy a Ruger over a Tikka. I hope you get a very good shooter but, Why not go with a Accuracy Gaurantee? It will be a big gamble to get an accurate Ruger and if it doesn't shoot your stuck with it. The Tikka must shoot under an inch or they will fix it. Easy choice for me.

Good Luck with whichever Rifle you choose.

Reloader

Good point Reloader... Hence the reason I suggested the Vanguard Sub MOA... Sub MOA guarantee from the factory is not a bad thing at all...

Ken....

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There's absolutely no way anyone could convince me to buy a Ruger over a Tikka. I hope you get a very good shooter but, Why not go with a Accuracy Gaurantee? It will be a big gamble to get an accurate Ruger and if it doesn't shoot your stuck with it. The Tikka must shoot under an inch or they will fix it. Easy choice for me.

Yes, I agree totally. Also, with the Tikka you will get a Sako trigger, which is perhaps the best factory trigger avaliable. All you have to do is adjust it to your desired pull(2 minutes work with an Allen key). The Ruger on the other hand will require its trigger adjusted by a gun smith and probably require the action bedded and barrel floated before it will shoot well.

The Tikka on the other hand, will shoot well straight from the box, just fit a scope and go shoot it.