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P-dog - they are investment cast. I used the wrong or a more general term. It's not easy to cut and extend or do other modifications (change shape) to a modern ruger action. I am pretty sure it not as easy to do a size modification to a modern machined action (granite mountain etc) as well. Mike | |||
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And there is very little need to. | |||
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Alf, For a guy who is so into statistics, math, and science, I am really surprised by the comments you make. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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My experiences (over thirty-five years, so there is some statistical worth) have been that most American guns are just starting points. When I have paid the money for good European guns (Steyr Scout and Pro-Hunter, TRG-22 & 41, Sig LRS2, most Sakos) they ran well out of the box. If I am building a special rifle, I am likely to send the action out to have it correctly blueprinted, and a quality barrel fitted. Then bed, and then I am in the ball park. I could have saved a lot of heartache by just buying takedown 202s with extra barrels.  | |||
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Mike: I have only shot the ones made when they sourced their barrels from Wilson. On the other hand, my Ruger No.1 .204 is pretty accurate; not my best gun, but good enough. I think one major problem with the Ruger 77 is the angled screw; if your bedding isn't perfect, it torques the action. The fact no one has copied it, including Ruger on their newer models, speaks volumes. | |||
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I forgot how long the pages are on AR. Alf ; feel badly for you. I know what REMOTE gun fixing is all about. It looks to me like maybe the mag box is too long in the front hanger or trigger guard recess. A little fileing with a small 3 corner file should fix it right up . When everything is all bolted together , if you open the bolt or floorplate , you should be able to wiggle the mag box a little. If its tight, it messes up the title's Harmony. ;-) Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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And , shoot the heck out of it. Most of my Ruger's shoot in in 200-300 rounds. All of my Ruger M77 Mk ll s loved long heavy bullets. Accuracy with 225 gr bullets was useful but not great. 275 and 300 gr bullets all shot sub moa . I never had a chance to try the 250 gr X or TSX . But , I. Bet they would shoot very well . I think , maybe , perhaps . Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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It's a zoo around here. Anchorage only being 190 miles away . I think every season is open right now. The amount of money some people spend on going moose hunting from the city here. It would save them money to book a hunt with Phil or Jake or some other guide. $200 plus plus thousand motor home pulling a flatbed or toy hauler with a pair of tracked , new side by sides . The guys with the moose buggies , Haaglund tracked overland vehicles , Thyacol's (spelling ) ect. Ect. . Then there is the pickup campers pulling toy haulers with 4 wheelers. . And they all stop and fuel up where my wife works. It's as busy as summer time . They ( hunters) at least know how to pump their own fuel. My wife has to teach Chinese , German, French, Italian, Japanese ECT ect people how to pump fuel every day in the summer. I can't figure out how they get here without knowing how to fuel their own vehicle. ????? Me I'm still working. The boss takes 10 days off for their clan's annual moose hunt . us drivers and operators aren't so fortunate. I had planned to go bou hunting yesterday but got side tracked with pre freeze up chores at home. Plus, on the weekends there is about 79 million people up in the subsistence area's. One GREAT thing about 40 below. We get the basin all to ourselves. Back to the 338 Win Guide gun . I wonder about the banded sling stud. How it acts as the barrel heats up. Now this may sound crazy ( prolly half what I type usually does no doubt) . I bet that if your bullets were tumbled in HBN . You could get 5 shot groups without the 4th + 5th shot fliers. It really keeps the barrel temp down . My theory is the barrel bands make a choke area. As the barrel expands from the heat of shooting. The band's being outside the barrel they don't expand the same. I could be wrong but . I used to moly tumble all my bullets. Now I HBN tumble . I like the HBN better. https://www.longrangehunting.c...oron-nitride.151457/ Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Gakona ,Alaska where the Gakona empties into the Copper rivers.  Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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I have several Rugers but I understand what you are talking about with a Tikka. I bought a Tikka CTR in 308 last summer and took it mule deer hunting. The feeding is incredibly smooth and it shoots everything I feed it MOA with 5 shot groups. It's so consistent, it's becoming my "go to" hunting rifle. If I miss, I know it's me and not the rifle.  | |||
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Love your second photo, ALF. | |||
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I shot my new Ruger African (beautiful walnut stock that I replaced with a McMillan, and no muzzle brake in front, just the front sight above the end of the barrel), and it put 2 holes next to each other when using Federal 250-grain NOS (+2' at 100 yards). Then I shot 2 Swift 210 Scirocco, and these too put two holes almost on top of each other, but about +6". I imagine that it will do the same with the factory 225-grain tipped 3-Shock bullet, but I still have to try this one, since that's the bullet I have settled on for my .338WM. I don't think the band on the barrel would make a difference when shooting this rifle, since the band is half-way on the barrel. Now. if the band would be by the muzzle's crown, maybe then it would make a difference. Just keep in mind that the main concern when hunting is for those first three shots (maybe 5?) to hit the right spot. | |||
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All my Ruger 77 338 win.mag and 338-378 rifles hate hornady ammo.and bullets .I have 10 338 win.mags and 338-378 weatherby accumarks I have shot 3/4 inch groups with Remington factory 225 grain.at 200 yards .They love Winchester 200 grain PowerPoint too shot some little clover leafs with them .I like nosler partitions in.my 338-378 .I am fixing to try 225 grain nosler accubonds in.my 338-378 they shot 1/2 inch at 100 yards in.my 338 win.mags Hornady bullets are terrible .I had bad luck with their ammo.too . | |||
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I have tried Superformance factory ammo in .30-06 165gr GMX (in a husky 1600) and in a .300RCM 150gr SST and 150gr GMX (in a Ruger Hawkeye RCM rifle) and was not impressed at all with the accuracy by any of the three loads. I have never had a 'bad' Ruger. My current Scout .308 and No1 S in .300H&H both hover around MOA with 150TTSX and 180TSX respectively. The T3 6.5x55 will of course outshoot both! | |||
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all this talk of rifle accuracy and bedding is great. taught myself to reload in the 60s as a teen and never looked back. have very limited experience with bedding (maybe 15 over the years) but love the results and process. which brings me to the point. bought a ruger american in 308 about 4 rifle purchases ago. loaded some nosler 180 gr partitions (i think without looking it up)and headed to the range. first shot at 100 yds off the bench was dead on in the X. cut the X in the middle. second shot was 3/4" off and the next 3 averaged 2". huh? THEN i did some research and found out it is famous for this as the thin bbl and bedding in this model causes successive shots to spread. i knew that the thin bbl would prevent it from being a tack driver but never expected it to be this bad. for better or worse i like to read Nathan Foster from TERMINAL BALLISTICS RESEARCH and recently learned that he has a video out relating to the bedding issues of the Ruger American BUT its 2 hours long and can only be viewed on youtube et al. has anyone seen it? wish it was a DVD. i'd love to learn the nuances of bedding this rifle. thanks | |||
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I have a Ruger 77 30-06 that shoots 1/2 inch with about any load.. I have a .338 African that shots under an inch with most loads and and inch with any load so far. Ive owned about 4 African models and they all shot well indeed.. Guess that's what makes a horse race, or you roll the dice an take your chances.. My experience is its a crap shoot out of the box, and one make is as good as the other regardless of where it is manufactured..I have lots of luck with pre 64 mod. 70s and some have not. I have never owned a 250 Savage that wouldn't shoot that includes many mod. 99 Savage rifles in that caliber, and Ive never owned a Brno mod. 21 or 22 that wouldn't shoot.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Alf,I feel your pain I had a rabid hatred for Ruger rifles for a long time, had many bad ones, worst was a tang safety 7x57(back when they were outsourcing their barrels) 4" due to a mile long freebore. Recently played "Ruger Roulette" and got a 416 Guide gun. Had a false start with a weak firing pin spring, replaced it, it shoots lights out, love the thing. Just posted range results for my 375 Guide Gun, great right out of the box, sub MOA. Glad you are getting your rifle sorted out. | |||
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