Muygrande,

No 338-06 in my future. 30/06 for everything up to elk and 338 wm for elk and up.

Have a good friend in NM that uses his 338wm for everything!

"Boys and their toys".... as long as you 338-06 fans are having fun, go for it

Good luck on the NM elk hunt, where are you hunting?

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Originally posted by AzGuy:
338-06.....Hmmmmm

I'd rather have a 30/06 or a 338WM.

Glad you guys are having fun

HA! A 338wm is just a harder kicking 338-06 50yds further out! Really, the diff is only about 150fps in any bullet wt. That isn't giving up much to a heavier rifle w/ more recoil & less rounds in the mag.

I think if we knew the real effective difference between long action standard calibers and the magnum counterparts we would all wonder why we put up with the added recoil. I don't own a 338-06 but have seen enough of one shot over a chronograph compared to my 338 WM that I wouldn't have a problem owning one. I just happened on the magnum first. I think that if I wanted a back up 338, that it would be the 06, not the Federal or any of the bigger magnums. At least for what I use them for. DW

AzG, I will be hunting the late rifle hunt in the Ruidoso area where I have had good luck in the past with 350-360 class elk possible.

I do not shoot the 338WM a lot simply because I have no reason in particular to hunt with it as I have also 300WM, 300 H&H and the 300 Wby hangin around. Of these the Wby generally gets the elk call as the area I hunt and time of year offers up cross canyon shots, etc.

I don't see much point in it as the superb .338WM will push a 250 NP to 2800 fps-mv. in a 24" barrel. Since the little fella will do about 2500, there is a 300 fps advantage in a rifle of essentially the same weight....what's the point?

PULEEZE, do not try to tell me tales of an extra round in case of charging Grizzlies or Sasquatchs, it ain't like that as any experienced BC bushguy knows. Where, the .338 bore REALLY shines, IMHO, is on bigger, tough game, like Elk in heavy cover and where, as here, you have mostly 6pt. antler restrictions.

A .338WM-250NP WILL drive right through a big bull in dense timber and leave a good blood trail, the extra momentum from the 300 fps. extra velocity DOES make a difference.

I go with .270Win./.280Rem. and 150/160 NPs and then jump to my 9.3x62, .338WM and .375H&H rifles for bigger stuff and consider this the "best" choice for western and northern Canadian hunting...but, I do keep two .300 Mags. and dozens of other rifles/rounds handy as ya never know what ya might "need"...and my "CEO" almost believes this......

Now Dewey, my Canadian friend, tell that to the big brownie that fell under the hammer of the 250 AFr from this "little 338-06" of mine. He only wished that 300 fps would have spared him the one shot tumble! Rifle at just shy of 8 lbs w/22" fwt bbl all in would be a beast in the beloved WM. But thankfully we all have our favorites.

Kablewey

Interesting thread about the .338/06.

I happened to be in a Cabelas store this evening looking at the carbine model of the Kimber Montana chambered in .338 Federal. I wonder if that little rifle weighed 5 pounds without a scope.

Anyway, for me anymore, I am tired of carrying heavy guns. I have 2 win classics in .338 mag, and 1 win classic in .300 mag, and another win classic in .270, and another in .308, and a few mausers as well. And they are all too damn heavy. I bought one kimber in .325, and am very close to buying another in .338 Federal.

If you really want a .338 without it being a magnum, take a strong look at the little Kimber in .338 Federal. You might have to give up on those 300 yard shots at elk, but by the end of the day you will still be able to carry your rifle.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
I don't see much point in it as the superb .338WM will push a 250 NP to 2800 fps-mv. in a 24" barrel. Since the little fella will do about 2500, there is a 300 fps advantage in a rifle of essentially the same weight....what's the point?

PULEEZE, do not try to tell me tales of an extra round in case of charging Grizzlies or Sasquatchs, it ain't like that as any experienced BC bushguy knows. Where, the .338 bore REALLY shines, IMHO, is on bigger, tough game, like Elk in heavy cover and where, as here, you have mostly 6pt. antler restrictions.

A .338WM-250NP WILL drive right through a big bull in dense timber and leave a good blood trail, the extra momentum from the 300 fps. extra velocity DOES make a difference.

I go with .270Win./.280Rem. and 150/160 NPs and then jump to my 9.3x62, .338WM and .375H&H rifles for bigger stuff and consider this the "best" choice for western and northern Canadian hunting...but, I do keep two .300 Mags. and dozens of other rifles/rounds handy as ya never know what ya might "need"...and my "CEO" almost believes this......

To get 2800fps in a 338wm, it needs a 24"bbl. Most 338-06 w/ 24"bbls will get 2600fps w/ the 250grNP, my 22 1/2" will do 2550fps. I still don't think 200fps is gonna make or break any elk hunt, again, it adds about 50yds to your range. AS it is, I have only recovered one 210grNP from game upto & including elk. They just go & go. Yes, you can download the 338wm, but why? You'll be carrying a 338-06 that weighs 1#-2# more.

No, you and Muygrande are a little off in your specs as my rifles in .338WM do not weigh more than identical ones in .338-06 do. I currently have six rifles so chambered of the thirteen I have owned since January, '68 and my latest is a stainless one.

I bought a Classic sts Mod. 70-.300 Win. and my buddy had a .338WM sts tube cut to 22.5", which has been installed on it. The stock is a salvaged Micky Fwt. style, it will wear the 1.75x6MHD Leupy in Brockman-Talleys that my other backpacking rifles wear and weigh about 8.25 lbs.

It WILL shoot faster and hit harder than a .338-06 built on a Mod. 70 action and the recoil is not an issue for me. The additional power is worth it, to me and my Dakota 76-.338WM, currently at Martini's for installation of a Hill Country Micky handle and Recknagel irons and whatever magic Ralf can work on it, is another such light and powerful rifle, superior to a .338-06 in all respects.

To me, it's not about using the merely "adequate" and I have several highend .30-06 rifles that will do anything a .338-06 will/can, it is about using the most effective chambering in a given weight of rifle and the WM does just that in 8.25-9lb. rigs, IMO.

I just do not see any REAL advantage in a larger bullet than a 160-.284" NP in a .30-06 case, except maybe the 286NP in the old 9.3s, but, YMMV, of course.

Dewey I am goin' out on a limb - let us be reasonable here! About six or so years ago when I survived my 60th B'd, yeah I know you are close behind me, I said a partial but fond farewell to the following: "I am a macho, macho man; mine is bigger than yours is; and yes bigger is better and works better;". BTDT my friend.

If, your supposition was correct, I would be shooting .338RUM, .340Roy and .338/.378 cartridges, wearing a "ten gallon hat" and going on "hunts" with guides to find, skin and pack out my "trophies" for me. While, I have shot the rounds in question, I do not and would not own a rifle so chambered as "recovery time" is too slow in the case of a Grizzly situation.

I have no problem with anything another person chooses or uses, but, my experience has led me to the conclusions I posted. There is only one round on a case such as the .30-06 that I consider roughly "equal" to the .338WM and that is the handloaded 9.3x62, using 286 premium bullets...and, with several rifles in each, I cannot tell the difference in recoil and it does not bother me.

Don't go out on that limb, you flatlanders usually fall off!!!!!

Well done Dewey, touche'! Actually you probably won't have time to come out of recoil before some of our "border jumpers" slit your throat from azz h to appetite, IF YOU MISS THE FIRST SHOT!

However, the muzzle blast may scare them to death.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
No, you and Muygrande are a little off in your specs as my rifles in .338WM do not weigh more than identical ones in .338-06 do. I currently have six rifles so chambered of the thirteen I have owned since January, '68 and my latest is a stainless one.
I just do not see any REAL advantage in a larger bullet than a 160-.284" NP in a .30-06 case, except maybe the 286NP in the old 9.3s, but, YMMV, of course.

I never said you couldn't build a 338wm to be lighter than a 338-06. Most who go 338-06 go lighter than a 338wm because the recoil is less. I am not recoil shy, but don't find an 8.25# 338winmag fun to shoot. However, my 8.25# 338-06 can be shot all day. JMO, there just isn't enough diff to claim the 338winmag is so superior to the 338-06. A 200fps vel gain at all bullet weights is worthy but doesn't give you that much more in the field. If the bullets are exiting @ 2550fps, & they are exiting @ 2750fps, results are going to be sim. Regardless, I love the 34 bore for general hunting anywhere in the world, especially for larger game. I have a 338x74K, pretty much a 338wm flanged. I love it, but it doesn't kill any better or get me much more range over the 338-06.

Here's a very classy 338-06:

http://www.martiniandhagngunma....com/boltactions.htm

can anyone tell approximately the contour and length of the barrel in usage?

Seen that rifle on Hagn site before, NICE!

Now, I had a Hart 23" bbl 700, .710 muzzle, fairly stiff, would do a .675 if again.

Twist 10", NOT change a thing if did again.

Chamber, standard, not change a thing.

200 NBT 2909
215 2790
225 2670

Using IMR4320 and WW brass, not change a thing.

If again building would in a second do another 338-06 std chamber, 22-23, 10 ROT, .675 OD muzzle. WW brass again, 225 partition, barnes, or 230 FS (now disc.) atop 4320.

Yes, I do and did like it over a Win Mag.

That said, no secret one can buy a say Win M70 SS/Syn or Sako in 338 Win Mag, and buy factory ammo, and if accurate, will never have a NEED for a 338-06. BOTH kill great.

I do like the extra capacity in the '06, but odds are you'd never NEED more than what a Win Mag will hold.

Money tight? A Win Mag and some factory ammo will be cheaper than building a custom '06.

YET, it WILL come back a good bit harder and shot placement may suffer.

Lastly, I would seriously look at a 9.3mm if needing/wanting another medium bore for NA game. They have some nice things about them

Let me count the ways: 10% more speed with 20-25% more powder=satisfied Canadian friend. I am all for ya my friend and IF you do not have the 10 gal hat, I will share!

Re: Dewey's comment on the 250/Win mag penetration. I built my 338/06 after speaking to a very reputable gent who informed me of busting both shoulders with a 225 partition from his 338/06 running around 2650 mv or so, at 370 yds. I can see no need for more performance for the ranges I hunt.

has anyone here built a 338-06 using either a mcmillan winchester supergrade pattern with edge or an echols legend with edge?

if so, kindly post pics.

muygrande,

About 18 years ago I hunted the area just south of the Mescalero Rez....took a very nice 375-380 class 6x8 bull.

My elk cartridge/rifle is a 375, good enough for the "across canyon" shots and plenty for the "timber" shots. It is no 338-06, but it gets the job done

Good luck on your hunt, that is a beautiful area.

AzG, sounds like a super elk. Congrats. They are certainly in the area and the Rez kinda gives them some protected area to grow up even though both the units on the South and the North get hunted hard by the big outfitters in the area.

It is a pretty part of the world and relatively small in size as it takes little time to get away from the range and back into the desert of almost all sides.

Having had the family in Ruidoso/Cloudcroft just a couple of weeks ago really has me pumped for a return visit.

My earlier point about how the .338WM hits harder had to do with more than just penetration. The roughly 300 fps. greater velocity of a 250 NP over that of the .338-06 creates a LOT more trauma and THAT leads to more rapid "hypovolemic shock" and thus more rapid organ system failure, "drop" and death.

There is no commercial and few wildcat rounds in the .338 bore size that will equal the .338WM as it is a well balanced and efficient cartridge..."best in the west"!

...hunted hard by the big outfitters in the area...eh, my my, sounds kinda familiar....foreign owned, are they?

Its all about choices my friend.

Yes, your beautiful BC has nothing over your southern neighbors when it comes to being hunted hard and put up wet! Suppose we have come to accept but not have to agree on how we choose our hunts just like our neighbors in the North. Probably not foreign owner as in out of the US but for certain out of state in many cases.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
My earlier point about how the .338WM hits harder had to do with more than just penetration. The roughly 300 fps. greater velocity of a 250 NP over that of the .338-06 creates a LOT more trauma and THAT leads to more rapid "hypovolemic shock" and thus more rapid organ system failure, "drop" and death.

There is no commercial and few wildcat rounds in the .338 bore size that will equal the .338WM as it is a well balanced and efficient cartridge..."best in the west"!

...hunted hard by the big outfitters in the area...eh, my my, sounds kinda familiar....foreign owned, are they?

Agreed, more ios better. but you are still inflating the ability of your 338wm. Maybe, maybe 250fps more, closer to 200fps in sim length bbls. That just isn't a lot more. Once the bullet has penetrated the entire animal & exited, damage will be sim. It's why I like the 338-06, almost unstopable penetration w/o going to premium bullets, all in a lighter more mangeable rifle. Nice to have choices huh?

I am not ...inflating... ANYTHING, I have used several different chronographs to chack my velocities and from quite a number of rifles. MY loads are NOT "max" and the .338WM-250NP load can be safely driven at 2840fps. from a 24" tube.

Check Ken Water's tome on this and some of my partners have used and chronoed hi loads as well as with RE-22-77grs, which I HAVE shot and which also goes 2840ish depending on barrel and powder lot; we have shot this load since 1990 in many different .338WM rifles.

The .338-06 rifles I haver chrono'ed with 250NPs have never done over 2500 fps and I doubt that any will safely reach 2600 fps with any load in a hunting length barrel, using 250 NPs. Some might and I have only shot a few, so, this is my subjective opinion.

Lighter and easier to handle, HOW, with the SAME action, barrel diameter, sights, stock and scope? A .338Federal, yes, of course, but, a .338-06 will fit the same Rem., Win.Savage or whatever action a .338WM will, that was the whole point of developing "short" magnums in the '60s.

One can build a rifle TOO light for mountain uses and I doubt that a super-light .338-06 is going to handle better or be nicer to shoot than a light, say 8.25 Lbs., .338WM.

Choices are great, but, I gotta go spilt more cordwood and a BIGGER maul works BETTER than a little one!!!!

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Originally posted by Dewey:
I am not ...inflating... ANYTHING, I have used several different chronographs to chack my velocities and from quite a number of rifles. MY loads are NOT "max" and the .338WM-250NP load can be safely driven at 2840fps. from a 24" tube.

Check Ken Water's tome on this and some of my partners have used and chronoed hi loads as well as with RE-22-77grs, which I HAVE shot and which also goes 2840ish depending on barrel and powder lot; we have shot this load since 1990 in many different .338WM rifles.

The .338-06 rifles I haver chrono'ed with 250NPs have never done over 2500 fps and I doubt that any will safely reach 2600 fps with any load in a hunting length barrel, using 250 NPs. Some might and I have only shot a few, so, this is my subjective opinion.

Lighter and easier to handle, HOW, with the SAME action, barrel diameter, sights, stock and scope? A .338Federal, yes, of course, but, a .338-06 will fit the same Rem., Win.Savage or whatever action a .338WM will, that was the whole point of developing "short" magnums in the '60s.

One can build a rifle TOO light for mountain uses and I doubt that a super-light .338-06 is going to handle better or be nicer to shoot than a light, say 8.25 Lbs., .338WM.

Choices are great, but, I gotta go spilt more cordwood and a BIGGER maul works BETTER than a little one!!!!

Well then D you are truely blessed w/ a fast barrel. BTW, most guys I know shooting the 338-06 have no problem getting to 2550fps in 22"-23" bbls w/ a 250gr bullet, 2600fps in a 24"bbl. So at 300yds you get 2" flatter round that hits w/ 400# more energy. SOme benefit, but I doubt an elk tells the diff. BTW, if you want a bigger "maul" get a 375H&H, now we are talking bigger hammer.

Dewey,I don't doubt your velocity. However, I checked Ken Waters Pet Loads, Supplement 1. He lists 74gr RL22 as a Max load clocking 2762 which is the fastest of all the loads. So you must have a fast barrel

My 9lb 338win had more power than I needed, more recoil than I liked and was a pound heavier than I prefer to carry.
An 8lb 338/06 has all the power I need with 15% less recoil.

Sorry, my mistake, I wrote as though I was specifically referring to Water's as the source for the loads/velocities I posted. I simply meant that a load he used exceeded 2800fps-with a 250....typing in hurry.

The loads I use and several other shooters I know also use are with 250 NPs and are 76-77 grs. of RE-22 from 24-25" barrels. These shooters include a Phd. professor from UBC and other such learned chaps, we are not a bunch of "redneck shitkickers" who lack the education or experience to know what we are doing. Several of us have/had rifle collections well in excess of 100 big game rifles and have handloaded since the late '60s.

I might add, that Brian Pearce of "Rifle Magazine" and "Handloader" gives the 76gr. load in his recent articles on the superb .338WM and the 77 gr. load is given HERE, on the AR Reloading Pages. I have shot and seen shot a LOT of .338WM rifles over more than four decades and have not noticed a "fast barrel" among these, the cartridge seems to give very consistent ballistics much like a .30-06 does.

So, we are still at roughly 300 fps. greater velocity and, yes, IME, this does hit harder, cause greater trauma to organ systems and can be put up in rifles as light as the .338-06. If, this is not a better option for Elk, Moose, Grizzly and various large mugwumps, then the puny .338Federal is as potent as the .340Roy?

Somewhere, one must make a decision and mine is to carry and use what I feel is the most efficient Elk round now factory available and load it to it's maximum design parameters. I have had seven .375H&H rifles, have two remaining and it is not as efficient an over-all mountain Elk package as my .338WM loads are.

I do not want to carry-shoot an 8.25 .375H&H and every shooter I know, many highly experienced BC wilderness hunters, who have built very light .375H&H AND .338-06 rifles, every one in decades, has sold them soon after the first hunting trip and gone to the boring, reliable and efficient .338WM.

MY light, short .375H&H, a P-64 Mod. 70, with sts. 20" tube and a bunch of other mods for working in Grizzly country, is a great tool, for it's intended purpose, but, it will not match my .338WMs and it kicks much harder. It STILL weighs MORE, too.

If, a person WANTS to use a .338-06, great, but, do not try to tell me that it will equal the .338WM in putting heavy bullets down range and whacking big Elk. Hell, even Elmer went to the belted case and who are we "young punks" to ignore his example!

Is this perhaps what you're talking about? [/IMG]

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
has anyone here built a 338-06 using either a mcmillan winchester supergrade pattern with edge or an echols legend with edge?

if so, kindly post pics.

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So, we are still at roughly 300 fps. greater velocity and, yes, IME, this does hit harder, cause greater trauma to organ systems and can be put up in rifles as light as the .338-06. If, this is not a better option for Elk, Moose, Grizzly and various large mugwumps, then the puny .338Federal is as potent as the .340Roy?

Ok, now you have just gone off the res. D, even w/ a fast bbl, 250fps max (not 300 roughly), live w/ it, it's fact. Trying to compare a 338Fed, w/ a 340Wby, come on man, this is not a my dick is bigger than yours issue. Some are calling you on your claims of greatness & you simply want to believe what you want to believe. The facts are what they are. The 338winmag is a great round, but to argue that it is sooo much better just isn't so. You get 2" flatter shooting round that hits w/ 400# more energy @ 300yds, meaning little in the field, & in same rifles, kicks about 20% more.
Hey many, it is what it is. I have a 338mag too, but it's isn't going to kill elk or anything else any better. I'll just get 50yds closer.

Been watching this thread for a while as I was in between rebarreling to a 338-06 or a 338 WM on one of my LH Sakos AVs. Then I found a LH Win M 70 in 338 WM for a bit more than it would cost me to rebarrel. It was a no brainer...

The WM comes in hopefully in a week or so... May have a Sako up for sale...

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It was a no brainer...

Exactly, you cannot do better for general big game in North America, than the superb .338WM. Those who disagree, have the right to do so, but, perhaps some further checking of Water's massive reloading tome, which gives results identical to my chronograph tests, might make some of them reconsider.

The differences between the .338-06 and handloaded .338WM are a bit larger than those between top, safe loads in the .338WM and .375H&H, for those concerned with bigger hammers. An easy 2800 with the 250 NP from my .338WM and 2600 from my .375s.....not much real difference.

Each to his own, it's all about fun, anyway.

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Originally posted by Dewey:

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It was a no brainer...

An easy 2800 with the 250 NP from my .338WM and 2600 from my .375s.....not much real difference.

Each to his own, it's all about fun, anyway.

Do you mean 2600fps w/ a 300gr bullet? Because I had no poblem getting 2750fps w/ a 270gr bullet in my 375h&h. That would be quite a diff in hammer size. Again, you seem to like to cherry pick your "data". So now you are saying there is little diff between the 338winmag handloaded & the 375h&h handloaded? Yeah, it's all about fun but w/ a dose of reality.

has anyone tried the cooper 338-06 just wondering how they shot

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HA! A 338wm is just a harder kicking 338-06 50yds further out! Really, the diff is only about 150fps in any bullet wt. That isn't giving up much to a heavier rifle w/ more recoil & less rounds in the mag.

It's closer to 300 FPS difference. My pet load launches 200gr pills at 3150fps out of my 26" tube.

fred-kalif,

My .375H&H loads averaged right at 2600 fps with the 300 NP and my .338WM loads at 2800 fps. with the 250NP. These are a hair under "max" and are an average from the seven .375 and thirteen .338WM rifles I have owned since January, '68. IS there a difference, well, I do not think there is much of one and base this on killing and witnessing the killing of a fair number of Moose, Elk and Grizzlies here in BC.

I will never "know" for sure and I just use what I feel like on a given day and enjoy it. I am not a "dude" hunter here and I do not have to worry about such issues.

[/QUOTE]
Again, you seem to like to cherry pick your "data". So now you are saying there is little diff between the 338winmag handloaded & the 375h&h handloaded? Yeah, it's all about fun but w/ a dose of reality. [/QUOTE]

Funny one of the larger fruit crops out of B.C. is cherries. Seems like Dewey has fast barrels good for Dewey I can't comment on the 338-06 as I do not own one but I have been hearing its praises spoken about for a long long while now. Just going by the numbers that it can put out it does make sense when you are looking for more thump than an 06 and want to stay under your hat while not having to carry a rifle that would have any more weight than a 30-06 in sporter weight. I looked at it for a couple of years and decided on the 35 Whelen which was just personal preference and am quite pleased with my choice. I have to agree that not a huge amount is given up to the 338 win outside of fast barrels, some marginal factory loads for the Win and so on. If I am going to carry something that is built on a heavier platform that I know is going to kick me pretty good to get more performance,I am going to step further out and look to the 340 Roy, the .338 Lapua or the 338 Rum. Yup they burn a lot of powder belt you pretty good but can be mastered with some range time. Put in plugs and wear muffs to reduce the muzzle blast and it is suprising how your recoil tolerence goes up with a bit of practise. Damn guys now I want a 338-06 but I am not allowed to have one

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Originally posted by Hipster:

Again, you seem to like to cherry pick your "data". So now you are saying there is little diff between the 338winmag handloaded & the 375h&h handloaded? Yeah, it's all about fun but w/ a dose of reality. [/QUOTE]

Funny one of the larger fruit crops out of B.C. is cherries. Seems like Dewey has fast barrels good for Dewey I can't comment on the 338-06 as I do not own one but I have been hearing its praises spoken about for a long long while now. Just going by the numbers that it can put out it does make sense when you are looking for more thump than an 06 and want to stay under your hat while not having to carry a rifle that would have any more weight than a 30-06 in sporter weight. I looked at it for a couple of years and decided on the 35 Whelen which was just personal preference and am quite pleased with my choice. I have to agree that not a huge amount is given up to the 338 win outside of fast barrels, some marginal factory loads for the Win and so on. If I am going to carry something that is built on a heavier platform that I know is going to kick me pretty good to get more performance,I am going to step further out and look to the 340 Roy, the .338 Lapua or the 338 Rum. Yup they burn a lot of powder belt you pretty good but can be mastered with some range time. Put in plugs and wear muffs to reduce the muzzle blast and it is suprising how your recoil tolerence goes up with a bit of practise. Damn guys now I want a 338-06 but I am not allowed to have one [/QUOTE]

I have shot and loaded for the other .338 bore cartridges you refer to and I do not consider my barrels to be ...fast...; in fact, that term is not very applicable to the .338WM or the other cartridges which balance bore-case capacity so well.

Again, a .338WM does not need to weigh ANY MORE than a .30-06 as the actions used are identical and the barrel is actually LIGHTER in commonplace sporting rifle barrel contours. A .340 Roy or a .338RUM can also be built and are upon these same actions, albeit with longer, heavier tubes to utilize the much greater case capacity....most .340s will run about 75fps faster than the .338WM and use 10-12 grs. more powder to get there....worth it, only the individual really can say.

So, can you tell us just which of these rounds YOU have actually loaded for,shot and chronoed and what YOUR results were? I mentioned Brian Pearce and Ken Waters and their results and Bob Hagel also had much the same results as I have.

My rifles have had 26", 25",24", 23" and now a 22.5" tube and the 25" P-64 Mod. 70s of which I have had five and now have four, make an easy 2800 with 250 NPs, SGKS and Hornady SPs. As, I said, this is with 76-RE-22 and/or 70-H-4350, which runs about 15 fps. lower mvs.

Why, can't you have a .338-06, there are no major impediments to buying one and then you could actually DO what you are talking about.

I should be at Mission on the day after tomorrow and you are welcome to come and shoot my rifles and see for yourself. If, it does not pour rain, I should be there by 09:30 and I can bring some spare ammo for you to try, if you would like to.

...fruit crops..., nah, not anymore, I think that it is largely apples, peaches, nectarines and, "west enders", if ya know what I mean....

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Why, can't you have a .338-06, there are no major impediments to buying one

I see two possible impedements.
1. I would have to be a custom rifle. I'm not aware of any new factory guns in 338.06.
2. I'm guessing the second impedement is his wife.

I believe Cooper Rifles in Montana makes a 338-06 if want a "factory rifle" or a 35 Whelan for that matter.