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Originally posted by Trax:
Kebco does not seem to claim to demand or want anything from you, he like others here are free to post on he subject you started.
All he has done is quoted the rules of Gunbroker that you by choice,failed to read before starting an auction. Not only did you fail to read the rules before auctioning your rifle, in your typical rashness you then call BS on Kebcos post of GB rules.

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Originally posted by Trax:
What do you want, a medal?

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Originally posted by KABLUEWY:
This is an ethical quandary question.

Lo and behold, the closing of the auction causes the listing to go to a sale for a penny, and the infernal "winner" is notified. As it appears, the "winner" has been down this path before, and makes a rukus about how he bought the rifle for a penny, and threatens having his attorneys on me.

So, first of all, this SOB ain't getting the rifle for a penny, and of course the negative feed back was posted right away. BTW, my feedback had been near 90 positive before this FU.

His email has all been threatning, and negative, with no apparant opportunity for positive outcome.

So, what do you guys think about this? Should I worry about it? There seems to be little I can do, since regardless of my error, I reject the guy's bid to buy at a penny.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Sounds like the Ethics Professor finally fessed up to the fact that he didn't read the GB rules of bidding and that he recruitment of his camp followers to validate his screw up are finally admitted.

Wow that took a lot of time. A few lads on the board here were ok with the Professor eating it due to his past posting etiquette.

Many will probably not be anxious to do any business with the Professor after watching his performance on GB.

Like the Professor says "Some of the bewildered are still lost."

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Originally posted by Kebco:
He was kind enough to share with me his emails and your response to him for these auctions. Do you want me to post these here? It clearly shows you had the same attitude with him that you have shared with us.

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Originally posted by Kebco:
He was kind enough to share with me his emails and your response ..... It clearly shows you had the same attitude with him that you have shared with us.

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Originally posted by Kebco:
What you forgot to mention is that the winner only contacted you after seeing that you had re-listed the guns and never contacted him.
In his own words to me:
"I honestly expected him to say "Holly Shit, I goofed" and humbly ask for a way out, sure didn't expect him to have a smart a$$ attitude."

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by Kebco:
He was kind enough to share with me his emails and your response ..... It clearly shows you had the same attitude with him that you have shared with us.

Same attitude? - exactly.


“Winner’s” initial email:

Just notified I won 2 auctions.
I am attaching my FFL, Can you please send me a total for the below two auction:


Item Title: 338 Winchester Mag
Item Number:19603XXXX
Ending Date: 10/XX/2010
Quantity Won:1
Winning Bid: $0.01 (per item)

Item Title: 280 Remington
Item Number:19603XXXX
Ending Date: 10/XX/2010
Quantity Won:1
Winning Bid: $0.01 (per item)

Thank You

Reply:

I can take a joke --- once.

Have a nice rest of your life.



“Winner's” email response:

You defiantly have an attitude and reading problem.

You should read the User Agreement http://www.gunbroker.com/User/UserAgreement.aspx

I have submitted feedback and will continue to contact GB and any other who will listen about your actions.
Possibly YOU SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED ME if you had an issue with sales price prior to ending the auction.

You are contractually obliged to sell me the weapons for the closing price of $.01

Joke on that with your attourney!..


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Talk about attitude -- humm. What could possibly motiovate me to sell tow perfectly good rifles to you for a penny each?

Are you a penny lurker?

The rifles are still available. If you are a buyer in good faith, then bid in good faith on the revised new listing, where I have started at a reasonable price. You could excuse me for my mistake of listing starting at a penny, or is that asking too much?


“Winner’s” Response:
Possibly when you noticed that someone had bid, you would have discussed your concerns prior to ending the auction and accepting the Penney bid. You still have one that you did not end, STARTED AT SAME PENNEY it was at ~$75 when you closed the other two,,,yes I had bid on all 3, but will not raise my bid. This is unacceptable behavior and the fact that YOU ACT as it is my fault that you changed your starting prices AFTER I submitted bids. You received a warning before ending the auction, you know the GB User agreement.

Your behavior is totally unacceptable and completely against the standards that have made GB a success.
I suggest you re-read the binding agreement.



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In retrospect, it appears that it would have done no good to discuss anything with you in advance.

I have been in communication with others who are interested in bidding on the one that I did not close, besides it's my prerogative regarding offers to sell, and acceptance of offers to buy. Your offer to buy for a penny was rejected when I closed the listing. If I was more familiar with selling on Gunbroker, I would have never made the mistake of listing starting with a penny. That was the first time I did that, and lo and behold who is lurking - you. I won't be making that mistake again.

Also, if I was more familiar with the provisions of Gunbroker, I would have simply put you on my blocked bidder list. Live and learn.

You are wrong that I'm acting like it was your fault that I closed the listing. I take responsibility for that, as I take responsibility for making the mistake of listing it that way in the first place. My behavior towards you is because I regard you as a thief, it's that simple. It's my fault that I did something inadvertantly that allowed you access to me in that way.

I can see, from your attitude, and words, and responses, that you have been down this path before. A reasonable person would have forgiven my mistake. A thief of course will not.

Do whatever it is that you think is appropriate, and whatever you can get away with. You will never own the rifles in question, and by any legal means available to me, you will never get a dime out of me.

Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
OK,
Jeffeosso, are you threatening me in any way?

Are you planning legal action?

Are you going to be up-front about it or sneek up on me?

Or maybe kick me off AR?

Or just be a shit head, and bluff, bluster, fart, blow smoke, and make an idiot out of yourself?

KB

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Originally posted by Kebco:
Its funny how small the world is at times, turns out I know the winner of your two auctions.

The winner never expected you to sell the guns for a penny each, but was expecting some communication saying that you had a Oh Sh*t moment and that you had screwed up. But you have a attitude, as you said earlier:

"I don't negotiate with dogs or scammers. Appearing humble only prolongs the inevitable - no sale."

He was kind enough to share with me his emails and your response to him for these auctions. Do you want me to post these here? It clearly shows you had the same attitude with him that you have shared with us.
Do you remember this quote from you to him when he first contacted you?

"I can take a joke --- once.
Have a nice rest of your life."

As a side note, instead of sending the above smart-ass response you should have taken that opportunity to explain you screwed up and ask his forgiveness.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
OK,
Jeffeosso, are you threatening me in any way?

Are you planning legal action?

Are you going to be up-front about it or sneek up on me?

Or maybe kick me off AR?

Or just be a shit head, and bluff, bluster, fart, blow smoke, and make an idiot out of yourself?

If you are merly expressing a dork opinion - no problem - opine all you want.

KB

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

KB,
I am merely stating my opinion on the matter

I have threatened nothing

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

KB,
I am merely stating my opinion on the matter

I have threatened nothing

Good enough

KB

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Oddbod:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
How does one make the leap that equates refusing to let somone take advantage and essentially steal a valuable rifle for a penny, to breaking one's word? What's one's word got to do with it?

KB

You said you would sell it for a price .. it was met . there was NO taking advantage of anything. you changed your mind .. the only person breaking the terms, well, aint the buyer

Bullshit: When an item is listed in such a manner & makes 1/40,000th of its true value then there is patently something not right somewhere.
Could be an error by the seller in either spelling or how the item was listed, or it could be inexperience at using auction sites.
If you take advantage of such a mistake then IMO you're morally bankrupt.

Excuse me, sir. If a person placed a no reserve, starting at 1¢ AND HAD AT LEAST THREE CHANCES TO CHANGE STARTING PRICE, he has flatly stated he would sell it for 1¢.

Morally bankrupt? for accepting a man's stated, 3 times approved, price for something?

I won't respond in that JV manner, other than to tell you that your presumption is incorrect. There was no typo, and KB even says he opened it that way INTENTIONALLY ...

perhaps we should review another term, such as critical reading skills?

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AND HAD AT LEAST THREE CHANCES TO CHANGE STARTING PRICE, he has flatly stated he would sell it for 1¢.

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Originally posted by Oddbod:
Bullshit: When an item is listed in such a manner & makes 1/40,000th of its true value then there is patently something not right somewhere.

Could be an error by the seller in either spelling or how the item was listed, or it could be inexperience at using auction sites.
If you take advantage of such a mistake then IMO you're morally bankrupt.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I list a rifle on Gunbroker, and allow the starting price be one penny, and the buy-now price what I hope to actually get for the rifle.
KB

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Hey Professor (Ethics and flock shooting)

You ought not to visit Ebay. It's full of "penny lukers". My what a revelatory description!!!!!!!

Hilarious to say the most. But keep on posting here on this thread you are the most entertaining poster to date. I used to have you an ignore but found out all the great things I was missing out on with your twisted view of reality.

I would stay away from GB until the stink of your deal wears off. You seem to be of the opinion that you can pick up a turd by the clean end.

Best of luck to you.

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Originally posted by Grumulkin:
You never give up or is it that you just don't know when you should quit?

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Originally posted by fla3006:
From a buyer's perspective, it is usually pointless to bid early, unless there are no bids and you do not want the buyer to withdraw the auction.

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Originally posted by Grumulkin:
So, lets say someone lists a gun worth $400 and some poorly informed person buys it at auction for $1,000. The buyer then finds out he has grossly over paid. Is it ethical for the buyer to back out of the transaction? Should the buyer be sued? Should the buyer get negative feedback?

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Originally posted by D99:

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Originally posted by Grumulkin:
So, lets say someone lists a gun worth $400 and some poorly informed person buys it at auction for $1,000. The buyer then finds out he has grossly over paid. Is it ethical for the buyer to back out of the transaction? Should the buyer be sued? Should the buyer get negative feedback?

The seller should take it back with zero questions if he feels that he didn't get his money worth.

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Kabluewy

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
79 & 1/2.

OK, to make it an even 80 - I see that your overall posting number above is 24,066. That's a lot of posts. You've been a busy man. I have a lot of posting to do to catch up.

Scrolling backwards for a ways, it seems only jeffeosso exceeds your number of posts. Between the two of you, a lot of cyberspace has been lit up. Your average # of posts per year exceeds my total posts in nearly four years.

KB

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
when in doubt, attack others for random reasons ... it might distract from the substance.
you screwed the pooch, son .. you might own up to it.