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Originally posted by carpetman1:

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If you want to pop stuff with light bullets in your -06 all well and good but don't try to make it into something it's not.

Ok Cougarz I'll bring those moose, caribou, antelope and deer back to life so that it wasn't made into something that it is not.

So using your logic a .30-30 is every bit as good as your .30-06 and has likely killed far more of the animals on your list. But what's the point. Each individual cartridge in any caliber range has a use, if it didn't it likely wouldn't still be popular.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
I have no use for the 300 Winchester Magnum. Why would I want to shoot a 300 Winchester Magnum when hollowed 300 Weatherby case gets 200 fps more with little more recoil.

I've either got; or have had most of the usual suspects in the .300 Mag line-up. What I've found in my own rifles is the .300 Win gives up nothing to the Weatherby when they both get 26" barrels. I get 3150 fps with 180s in several Wins with a load that isn't even max in most books. With variability from barrel to barrel being what it is, I had a .300 Weatherby that was so much slower than the Wins that I eventually dumped it.

The only .300 Weatherby that I have left seems to have an aversion to boat-tail bullets. For most uses that may not make any difference since one of ones that it does shoot is the 180 Partition. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, a 180 Accubond will let even my little WSM catch up to it by 500 and surpass it after that. In that instance, 17 grains of powder gained me nothing at all.

Using a .300 Win in a full length box gives enormous flexibility in bullet choices, especially when you want to use the high BC bullets for long range shooting. That's a whole different world that the .300 Weatherby doesn't thrive in.

Not to hijack, Carpetman, but what cup-core 150 gr bullet have you found that penetrates so well? Ask b/c decades ago couple friends and I all had our Rem CLs and Hornady SPs go to pieces even on NYS/CT does. Kills, yes. Exits, no. We switched to 180 gr cup-core for '06 and up for deer and never took another look back. Well, that was till I moved to ME and found these big boys stop a 180 PSPCL every time.

Samuel Hoggson---I left Alaska about 48 years ago and can't say for sure if I was using Speer or Hornady but most likely one or the other. (I know I didn't use Nosler--but considered it).

Past 35 years or so my hunting has been pretty much in Texas. Several years ago, I stepped down to a .243 and have used either Winchester or Remington bulk packed 100 grain bullets in it.

Several years ago I started my grandson hunting and was very reluctant to let him shoot a deer with a .222 or .223 and much to my surprise, he was dropping them. Since then he and several nephews have shot a bunch of deer with those two rifles. Surprise surprise to me, most dropped in their tracks. I never ever would have expected that. I use Winchester or Remington bulk packed 55 grain bullets in them. We have only recovered two bullets. They were identical twin bases--perfect mushroom and weighed 40 grains which is 72.7% retention. Many people think of Texas whitetails as being dog size. They aren't huge deer, but almost all the ones would go over 120 pounds.

My grandson moved up to a .243 when he was about 9. The move was not because the .22's weren't doing the job, it was because he used either my rifle or his dad's. When he was about 15 I gave him a .308. Again, this move up was not because what he had was too small, but it was a matter of my having a rifle I thought he would like. I was correct. It is a pre 64 Win 88 with a Leupold compact 2x-7x. He is now grown and has twin sons of his own that I'm sure will be hunting soon. I'd hazard to guess how many deer he has taken with it and I've done his reloading using 150 grain Win or Rem bulk packed.

Carpetman, Thank you for responding. I started out with a .22-250 and it killed 120-170# dressed whitetails just fine. Was shooting them in the middle of a field and a sometimes > 100 yds death run was not a problem. No blood trail, but they had nowhere to go.

Reread that Rathcoombe fellow's comments on the .243. He doesn't like it. But he lost some animals due to them getting into chest high new growth in clearcuts plus zero blood trail. Understand the issue very, very well. And since alot of ME (and my property) is much the same we use .300s and 180s.

Parenthetically, before moving to ME I thought the RP 180 PSPCL the perfect deer bullet, always a nickel-sized leaking exit hole in NYS and CT. Up here we have yet to have this bullet shoot through any 200#-ish deer. We find them pancaked, about 100 gr. Last season I loaded some 180 ABs for a friend's .300 and he took a nice 200#+ deer slightly angled and got full penetration and quick kill. Like me he considers this perfect.

Guess what I'm saying (long-winded) is part of why people develop different opinions has to do with the surrounding cover (the retrieval process). Thanks again for the response.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
375 H&H AI would be nice. Can you buy real AI brass? Ruger probably more common in Alaska where grizzlies can get nasty.

Ammo for the .375H&H is very common in Alaska, but not so much for the Ruger, and none for the AI. To me the plain and old .375H&H is the best relating to recoil tolerance (past the .338WM), and ammo availability.

But I imagine that if you reload for the AI version, then it should be fine.

Cougarz---Yes a 30-30 bullet in the right spot is every bit as good as a 30-06. Take out the heart, lung, or liver and that animal is going to die close to that spot. MOST 30-30's being tubular magazine and thus the blunt nose limitation plus the reduced velocity, puts them further from a 30-06 than what the 06 is from a .300 magnum. I had high hopes your response was going to be about the shot you made with a .300 that could not have been made with an 06. No question, the .300's have some velocity gain over an 06, and thus SOME range and energy. As someone said, it's not energy that kills, it's destruction of vitals. In my books the increase of the .300 over the 30-06 is not worth the price. 1/2 again as much powder and the corresponding recoil to go with it, and is the animal really going to know the difference? Perhaps it eliminates the macho factor.

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Originally posted by Ray Alaska:

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Originally posted by ar corey:
375 H&H AI would be nice. Can you buy real AI brass? Ruger probably more common in Alaska where grizzlies can get nasty.

Ammo for the .375H&H is very common in Alaska, but not so much for the Ruger, and none for the AI. To me the plain and old .375H&H is the best relating to recoil tolerance (past the .338WM), and ammo availability.

But I imagine that if you reload for the AI version, then it should be fine.

If you handload....then the AI is something to truly consider. If, for whatever reason, you don’t have your AI ammo....just purchase factory .375 H&H ammo (available most anywhere) and shoot in your AI. You don’t give up much in velocity, nothing in accuracy, and “only” create yourself more AI brass. memtb

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Perhaps it eliminates the macho factor.

Never really had any rifle make me feel particularly macho. I guess I'll leave that to you.

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Perhaps it eliminates the macho factor.



Never really had any rifle make me feel particularly macho. I guess I'll leave that to you.

Wasn't me bragging about shooting small groups with rifles that generate 50 lbs recoil. I'm a sissy, I reduce recoil when possible.

this thread is nothing more than ridiculas points being said over and over..

A 300, a 338, a 375 and a few others all accomplish the same thing, and IMO you would have to kill a thousand animals with each under the same conditions to be able too have a valid opinion of some validity, and that ain't going to happen..

One is as good as the other under almost any circumstances, but the 300 is a tad less than the .338, the 338 is a tad less than the 375, at least on paper, and animals are flesh and bone not paper..

The above is fact, My opinion is the 270 is as good as a 7 mag; the 30-06 is as good as the 300 Win.; the .338 is the best all around; the 375 is a better DG caliber that shoots less flat than a .338 and has more recoil..I have a place in my heart for all the above, except the 7 mag..

The above is nothing more than opinion..

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
this thread is nothing more than ridiculas points being said over and over..

A 300, a 338, a 375 and a few others all accomplish the same thing, and IMO you would have to kill a thousand animals with each under the same conditions to be able too have a valid opinion of some validity, and that ain't going to happen..

One is as good as the other under almost any circumstances, but the 300 is a tad less than the .338, the 338 is a tad less than the 375, at least on paper, and animals are flesh and bone not paper..

The above is fact, My opinion is the 270 is as good as a 7 mag; the 30-06 is as good as the 300 Win.; the .338 is the best all around; the 375 is a better DG caliber that shoots less flat than a .338 and has more recoil..I have a place in my heart for all the above, except the 7 mag..

The above is nothing more than opinion..

Very good post, Ray Atkinson

8mm Remington Magnum can be hot loaded too.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
After slimming down my set of rifles, I'm replacing them in slots to cover most hunts I anticipate doing. I have an open slot between a Dave Tooley custom M70 in 7mm Rem Mag and a 375 that Griffin & Howe is finishing up for me. I'm torn between getting a 300 Win Mag or a 338. I have probably 25 boxes of various premium 300 WM ammunition and no 338, but that wouldn't be hard to remedy. A 175gr round in the 7 mag is pretty powerful, but a long way from a 270-300gr bullet in the 375....that's quite a gap. I do have a 358 Win being built now, but that will be a fairly close-range carbine. Your thoughts?

Hasn't this just gone around in circles! Did any of it help?
The most important thing I think is where, and over what range, you are intending to use the new rifle, and what game you are planning to hunt. 300 yards and under or 300 yards and over.? large game, mountain country, medium game undulating country, or long flat open plains with no cover, making long shots a must. In my opinion, up to 400 yards in any country a 338 Win Mag weighing in at 8lbs or just under is carry-able anywhere, and packs enough punch with 225gn bullets at 2800 fps for any big game short of buffalo. If you need a longer ranging outfit than that a 300 magnum would be a better choice, but is not as effective on the larger game, although for anything deer sized you won't be under-gunned. Also I don't believe you can safely get >2850fps with 225gn bullets in a normal 23/24 inch barrelled 338 Win Mag. I recently changed my 72gn AR2209 load which gave me 2850fps, dropped it to 70gn for 2770fps, as I was getting such short case life. dropping 80fps in velocity makes little difference to game or trajectory out to 300 yards, but is a lot milder on the cases.

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My opinion is the 270 is as good as a 7 mag; the 30-06 is as good as the 300 Win.; the .338 is the best all around; the 375 is a better DG caliber that shoots less flat than a .338 and has more recoil..I have a place in my heart for all the above, except the 7 mag.

We even agree on the 7mm!

Just a tad disagreement on the 300 beyond 400 yards, which I and kin don't do. So yes, under 400 yards the 30-06 works as well as a 300.

And the 338, a remarkably balanced design.

I think I've solved it!!! I consulted my college Logic textbook, and since a 270 is almost a 7mm Mag, a 30-06 is almost a 300 WM, and a 338 is almost a 375, it therefore is logical that a 22 Hornet is almost a 505 Gibbs! Does anyone know who makes 22 Hornet solids for my upcoming Elephant hunt? :-)

The Hornet has never been a proper caliber for Elephant, simply because only hollow points can be found and they are bad about bloodshot meat, therefore I suggest you move on to a .17 and give it a try..Happy elephant hunting, be sure and use a double that second quick shot is a must with the 17!

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Originally posted by Biebs:
I think I've solved it!!! I consulted my college Logic textbook, and since a 270 is almost a 7mm Mag, a 30-06 is almost a 300 WM, and a 338 is almost a 375, it therefore is logical that a 22 Hornet is almost a 505 Gibbs! Does anyone know who makes 22 Hornet solids for my upcoming Elephant hunt? :-)

See in post 5 I told you you should start looking at 223s!

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See in post 5 I told you you should start looking at 223s!

Don't need that much gun for Elephants :-)

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Originally posted by Biebs:
After slimming down my set of rifles, I'm replacing them in slots to cover most hunts I anticipate doing. I have an open slot between a Dave Tooley custom M70 in 7mm Rem Mag and a 375 that Griffin & Howe is finishing up for me. I'm torn between getting a 300 Win Mag or a 338. I have probably 25 boxes of various premium 300 WM ammunition and no 338, but that wouldn't be hard to remedy. A 175gr round in the 7 mag is pretty powerful, but a long way from a 270-300gr bullet in the 375....that's quite a gap. I do have a 358 Win being built now, but that will be a fairly close-range carbine. Your thoughts?

Why not get both a 300wm barrel and 338wm barrel for your Blazer?

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
INTJ--You obviously didn't answer any of my questions. I'll answer yours. How many folks have the false belief that you can hit em anywhere with a .300 mag for example and they are going to drop? Not true, they don't increase the size of the kill zone. My opinion is if you need more than a 30-06, you need a larger bore, not a faster .30 cal. It may be common to shoot small groups with heavy recoilers, but it's a lot more common to not. I've seen a lot more that can't than those that can. Two questions remain for you. Tell me about the shots you have made with your 50 lb recoiling rifle that could not have been made with a 30-06. What range have you taken shots with a .300 mag that could not have been made with an 06? If the .300's are extending the range, by how much?

I didn’t answer your questions because your premise is flawed and about 50 years out of date. I know of no one who believes you can hit ‘em anywhere with a .300 Mag and they will drop. That a gross over exaggeration, especially for those who frequent this forum. Your assertation that pointing out how LOTs of guys shoot small groups with heavy revoking rifles as somehow being bragging is more hyperbole. Your position on the 30-06 and your view of those who like bigger and faster chamberings borders on arrogant, even though I don’t think you mean to be arrogant.

I have shot several critters with a 30-06 and several with 300 mags. I happen to like my 7 3/4 lb (scoped) custom M-70 better in 300 WSM than any 30-06 I have ever used and better that the 30-06 I still have. It is my favorite deer gun and shoots a 168 TTSX at a mild 3000 fps. I have shot lengthwise through a 170 lb Blacktail buck and cleanly taken a smaller Blacktail at 435 yds with this setup. A 30-06 can’t be made with that weight and balance and performance. I know because I tried.

With proper bullets I could have successfully made those shots with a 243 or even a 223, though a 150 grain cup and core from a 30-06 may have had a hard time going lengthwise though the larger buck, similar a failure I experience with a 180 grain Gameking in a small Texas doe.

I have made two shots on game with 50 ft lb recoil class rifles. The first was an elk moving through heavy timber at 42 yds, the rifle was an unharmed 338 RUM. I swung on him and nailed him in the lungs, something no lesser caliber would have done any better. There was no downside to that shot with that rifle and to suggest otherwise is pure nonsense.

The second shot harvested two Texas pigs, rifle was a 416 Rem, also with no muzzle brake. A cup and core 150 grain 30-06 load would like have just wounded the second pig instead of anchoring him.

So my recommendation to you is let people shoot what they want. No one criticizes you for being unable to shoot a heavier recoiling rifle, so don’t criticize those who don’t really worry about recoil and happen to like the guns they choose to hunt with.

I agree a 30-06 is close to a 300 Winchester Magnum but the 270 Winchester is not close to the 7mm Remington Magnum. Today's loads for the Remington Magnum are some of the most conservative found. Hot loads can easily push a 150 grain bullet to 3250 fps. With little in extra perceived recoil. With the power and SD of the 7mm Remington Magnum, I feel it's the most underrated cartridge found with basically no recoil. Same with the 264 Winchester Magnum.

INTJ---You know of no one who believes you can hit em anywhere with a .300Mag and they will drop? You must only read my posts in this forum. Read others and you will frequently read that it decreases the chance of error. Error is not involved in hitting them in the kill zone. So it must expand the kill zone(less chance of error).

Your assessment of what would have happened if you had made the shot with a 30-06 is pure speculation. Who is to say you may have anchored the second pig and perhaps even a third had you been using a 30-06. There is as much proof of that as there is your theory.

You really think your 3000 fps 168 grain WSM is all that earth shattering above a 30-06? I think on game you'd not notice the difference.

So you recommend I let people shoot what they want. Didn't realize I was so powerful and had that much control. But I will follow your recommendation and do hereby give folks here my permission to shoot what they want.

BTW why are you shooting a short magnum instead of the full length? Is the recoil too much for you?

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Originally posted by Biebs:
I think I've solved it!!! I consulted my college Logic textbook, and since a 270 is almost a 7mm Mag, a 30-06 is almost a 300 WM, and a 338 is almost a 375, it therefore is logical that a 22 Hornet is almost a 505 Gibbs! Does anyone know who makes 22 Hornet solids for my upcoming Elephant hunt? :-)

And here you likely thought this was going to stop the rather circular arguing that this thread has devolved into.

Not a chance!

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Originally posted by Saeed:


I decide that a 30/404 and a 375/404 would meet every hunting situation I might get into.

And I have not regretted it.

Forget energy.

Energy does not kill animals all by itself.

Destroying vitals organs does.

Saeed, how do you feel about the 9.3 x 62 for frontal area killing power?

Your 375/404 must recoil heavy.

I am sure it will do just as well, if one is using the right bullet.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
I agree a 30-06 is close to a 300 Winchester Magnum but the 270 Winchester is not close to the 7mm Remington Magnum. Today's loads for the Remington Magnum are some of the most conservative found. Hot loads can easily push a 150 grain bullet to 3250 fps. With little in extra perceived recoil. With the power and SD of the 7mm Remington Magnum, I feel it's the most underrated cartridge found with basically no recoil. Same with the 264 Winchester Magnum.

on which basis, the .284 is perhaps even more under-rated

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
INTJ---You know of no one who believes you can hit em anywhere with a .300Mag and they will drop? You must only read my posts in this forum. Read others and you will frequently read that it decreases the chance of error. Error is not involved in hitting them in the kill zone. So it must expand the kill zone(less chance of error).

Your assessment of what would have happened if you had made the shot with a 30-06 is pure speculation. Who is to say you may have anchored the second pig and perhaps even a third had you been using a 30-06. There is as much proof of that as there is your theory.

You really think your 3000 fps 168 grain WSM is all that earth shattering above a 30-06? I think on game you'd not notice the difference.

So you recommend I let people shoot what they want. Didn't realize I was so powerful and had that much control. But I will follow your recommendation and do hereby give folks here my permission to shoot what they want.

BTW why are you shooting a short magnum instead of the full length? Is the recoil too much for you?

Conflating the view that a more powerful chambering can improve the odds of making certain shots is hardly the same as your comment that people believe they can hit ‘em anywhere with a 300 magnum. The first idea is worthy of discussion, the second is pure nonsense.

It is a very logical view that a 30-06 with a 150 grain cup and core bullet would have had difficulty penetrating through 60” of pigs. However, it is not logical to advocate that every shot taken with a 300 magnum of some kind would have had the same results if a 30-06 with 150 grain cup and core had been used.

There to go with hyperbole again. I made no comment remotely close to what your conformation bias made you see in terms of my MILD 300 WSM load. I just couldn’t get that level of perfomanace from a 30-06 in a rifle of that weight and balance. Conversely, the WSM made all that very easy, which is the whole point.

You do need to follow my recommendation simply so you can quit saying stupid things. It has nothing to do with any perceived influence you might think you have.

Why an I shooting the 300 WSM? Because that was the chambering in my record setting 1000 yd BR rifle, I own the reamer, and I like accuracy. I also wanted a lighter weight rifle for hiking around the mountains in Oregon as opposed to sitting in a blind in Texas where rifle weight doesn’t matter. So I tried an experiment with the 300 WSM and hit a home run. Now my elk rifle is a 8.25 lb 340 Wby on an M-70, and I like that rifle as much as often carry it for deer instead of the 300 WSM. Then again, I might also take the pre 64 FWT in .270 or my 458 Lott or my 348 Win or 45-70.

When you are disciplined enough to figure out how to tolerate recoil, the rifles you are able to use greatly expands, and that makes it fun as opposed to be being limited to a 30-06 with 159 grain cup and core bullets.

INTJ---You really can twist things. I never advocated I had any perceived power over what rifle a person might use. It was you that bestowed that honor on me. I pled ignorant of even knowing about it.

I wouldn't have a clue as to how well a 30-06 might penetrate through 60" of pig. That would be a 5 foot long pig which would be huge. I don't take frontal shots on deer. Not interested in sausage on the hoof. Where I hunt is on my sons in law ranch. We have a long season here and I can go any day I want. It's only 50 miles away so I am not in desperation mode. If the presentation is not right, I pass on the shot, the deer walks.

What do people mean when they say the .300 magnum gives them more room for error on a shot? Doesn't error mean they didn't make a well placed shot? You say conflating the view that a more powerful chambering can improve the odds of making certain shots is worthy of discussion. Discuss away.

"When I am disciplined enough to tolerate recoil, the rifles I am able to use greatly expands". Perhaps when you learn the discipline of waiting for the proper presentation of the animal you wont need to be using cannons. You can make those clean one shot bang flop kills and not have blood shot meat from stem to stern.

BTW if you really think your 3,000 fps record setting .300 WSM is that much ahead of a 30-06 and will do earth shattering feats the 06 doesn't do, I'm happy you believe that. Do you have any articles you can post about this record setting? I'd be interested in hearing about it.

BTW I'm not limited to a 30-06 with 150 grain bullets. Past several years I've used a .243 with 100 grain cup and core. Last time I went hunting, didn't see any that day, but I was carrying a .223 with 55 grain cup and core.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
INTJ---You really can twist things. I never advocated I had any perceived power over what rifle a person might use. It was you that bestowed that honor on me. I pled ignorant of even knowing about it.

Cut the inane bullshit.

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I wouldn't have a clue as to how well a 30-06 might penetrate through 60" of pig. That would be a 5 foot long pig which would be huge. I don't take frontal shots on deer. Not interested in sausage on the hoof. Where I hunt is on my sons in law ranch. We have a long season here and I can go any day I want. It's only 50 miles away so I am not in desperation mode. If the presentation is not right, I pass on the shot, the deer walks.

I was answering your question as to what shots had I taken with 50 for lb recoil rifles that would have not have worked as well with a 30-06 with a 150 grain cup and core bullet. I gave you two clear examples.

If you don’t take frontal shots on deer then never hunt Blacktails in Oregon. Unlike Texas Whitetails in the rut, mature Blacktail bucks don’t often stand around offering broadside shots. Most of mine have been moving or frontal shots. A 30-06 or 270 works fine for lengthwise shots with decent bullets that are well placed.

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What do people mean when they say the .300 magnum gives them more room for error on a shot? Doesn't error mean they didn't make a well placed shot? You say conflating the view that a more powerful chambering can improve the odds of making certain shots is worthy of discussion. Discuss away.

They likely mean that because the same bullet is driven faster it expands more and does more damage. When that bullet is a controlled expansion design, it expands more AND penetrates well. Since it does more damage many believe that there is a little more margin of error with shot placement. That is NOT what you said they believe. You said they believe they can hit a deer ANYWHERE with a 300 Mag and the deer will drop right there. I doubt anyone believes that and it’s arrogant of you to presume they do.

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"When I am disciplined enough to tolerate recoil, the rifles I am able to use greatly expands". Perhaps when you learn the discipline of waiting for the proper presentation of the animal you wont need to be using cannons. You can make those clean one shot bang flop kills and not have blood shot meat from stem to stern.

You have to take the shot that is presented, and to do that you need a chambering and bullet capable of reaching the vitals from the most challenging angle you’ll likely face. That is if you want to clean my and optimally take an animal around here. I know that is a hard concept when the majority of your hunting is Texas Whitetails, which I have done a reasonable amount of. When I retired from the USAF and moved back home to Oregon I had to completely change my mindset and approach to deer hunting.

For those who may misunderstand, I am not slamming Texas style hunting. I LONG for the days when I could go sit in a blind or stand on a lease in the morning, see animals, then go to town for lunch and/or take a nap, then go back out in the evening. What I must do know is hike around the mountains getting tired and grumpy and wet.........

Fortunately, when I moved back home I was already using a 30-06 with a 168 grain TSX which is easily adequate for the task. I would be just as fine with a .270 and a 140 grain Accubond or Partiton or TTSX, and when I get he time that is the load I’ll work up with my pre 64 FWT. Or I might use my 300 Ack or 300 RUM with 190 or 200 grain LR Accubonds. Maybe the Browning 71 in 348 with 200 grain SAFs. Any of those will work well for deer with the worst possible shot presentation.

Also, when you use controlled expansion bullets you don’t get anywhere as much blood shot meat as you do with a conventional cup and core. Lengthwise shots don’t usually ruin much meat anyway, it’s broadside shots to the shoulder with frangible bullets that cause the most meat damage.

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BTW if you really think your 3,000 fps record setting .300 WSM is that much ahead of a 30-06 and will do earth shattering feats the 06 doesn't do, I'm happy you believe that. Do you have any articles you can post about this record setting? I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Now you are just making stuff up, probably because you lost this argument many posts ago. My description of my 300 WSM load was, and I quote “mild”, and I made no claims about earth shattering feats. Driving a 168 TTSX at 3000 fps from a 22-24” barreled 30-06 is a likely a hot load. You might get there with a 26” barrel and a warm load, but you just won’t get there with the very nice weight and balance of my mildly loaded 300 WSM—-which was the whole frickin’ idea behind my 300 WSM build. It EASILY does that.

As to documentation of my 1000 yd BR shooting 10+ years ago, with a purpose built 300 WSM shooting 220 grain SMKs at 2740 fps, made with the reamer I bought and later used on my 300 WSM hunting rifle; I have a box of trophies and I have the targets I shot where I won several matches, shot five screamer groups, and set two club agg records. While it is possible for me to take pictures of all that and post; your arrogant attitude toward those who like to shoot different rifles than you makes me not give a crap about proving anything to you. You didn’t used to be that way.....

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BTW I'm not limited to a 30-06 with 150 grain bullets. Past several years I've used a .243 with 100 grain cup and core. Last time I went hunting, didn't see any that day, but I was carrying a .223 with 55 grain cup and core.

Good for you. Now GOODBYE

INTJ---You now hike around the mountains and get tired grumpy and wet. I agree with you there---you got wet.

This has been entertaining. I might wait another month and come back to this thread, just to see what has happened.

For precision long range hunting I'll have to go with my 300 mags, 200 gr Partitions and Accubonds coupled with the 230 gr Berger OTM's would get the nod.

For pure accurate all [save the Big V] game bashing out to 300 yards or so my 338 WM firing 250 gr Swift A Frames or Partitions would handle that task with ease.

I love em both.

Have you guys OD'd on Viagra, or what? Pick one and just use good bullets.

Hell no Man but with 100 guns what else are we gonna do with em?

Just like a row of fine shop hammers, ready and waiting for any task.

While I am not particularly sensitive to recoil, I am getting older. With age has come some wisdom. Perhaps enlightenment would be a better word.
Once enlightened, I realized that I beat up my shoulder and ear drums for a long time with magnum-itis. This has found me reaching for my 30-06 instead of my 300Wthby and my 338-06 instead of my 338WM. Though they lack the panache of the Win Mags, the animals I have shot with them did not give me the sass for having done so.

Adam, I hope that that wife doen’t read these posts... she’ll learn that her .338 WM ( unbraked) “kicks” ! Of course she shoots it very little from the bench! memtb

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While it is possible for me to take pictures of all that and post; your arrogant attitude toward those who like to shoot different rifles than you makes me not give a crap about proving anything to you. You didn’t used to be that way.....

oh the good old days. We use to play horse. I was the head and you , well you were your old natural self and played your part so well. Still do.

But let’s now talk about Biebs needing a 24” 340 wby