i have a rem 7600 carbine in 30-06 and was wondering if i could get away with the he or lm rounds. has anyone tried them? has anyone chronyd them? thanks

I can tell you that the Hornady Light Mags are safe in the pump gun....they are loaded to the same pressure as any .30-06 cartridge.

vapodog...thanks for the blessing, are the high energy federal more preasure? does anyone know?

thanks for the chime in

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I can tell you that the Hornady Light Mags are safe in the pump gun....they are loaded to the same pressure as any .30-06 cartridge.

The reason they are not recogmended for autoloaders is that the PORT pressure (not chamber pressure) is higher. This is due to the burning rate of the powder used.

what are the consequences of higher port preasure?

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what are the consequences of higher port preasure?

To the 7600?.....nothing....it's not an autoloader.

I have two 7600's and I won't use them, however, not to belabour the obvious but why not call Remington?

cobra...i'll call them today, i wanted to know users feedback since the factory will not want to be liable. they hedge their bets understandably

does anyone out there shoot these in the 7600?

wow!

shockingly they said it would be o.k.
they said hold on tight or else the recoil might make you half way cycle another round, but i thingk that is a good thing

FWIW-I saw a post where someone had pressure tested some of the HE loadings and they were running about 56K pressure which is just fine. I've seen where people have tested some lots of rem factory and it's been at 60k plus sometimes a little more. (with 30-06).
The He loads seem to either be a duplex of 2 different powders or a super compressed slow powder. So there is probably no other ammo out there that compares and that's probably why you see spotty accuracy reports. I've not seen any real "glowing" reports of tack drivers--mostly it's either pretty average or not good at all.

A friend of mine inherited a rem pump--not the 7600 but the model before and it's a fantastic shooter--will shoot with any bolt action I've seen. Hope yours does the same!

thanks kraky

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Originally posted by boom stick:
cobra...i'll call them today, i wanted to know users feedback since the factory will not want to be liable. they hedge their bets understandably

does anyone out there shoot these in the 7600?

Two reasons I don't use them. They weren't designed for the high energy speeds or pressures and I have had excellent results from normal speeds so why tempt fate. I'm surprised that Remington would say that, I have a feeling that they may wish they hadn't.

I don't get it guys.....first of all the remington pump is an extremely strong gun....it handles the .270 which is loaded several thousand PSI stouter than the .30-06.

All companies that make enhansed velocity rounds still stay within the SAAMI specs.....this is usually acomplished by using slower powders and compressing the charges and this helps keep the pressure up LONGER and this is what causes the higher velocity.....not higher pressure.

The issue with the autoloader is realistic because the pressure at the bleed point will be higher with the enhansed velocity rounds and may cause some long term (or immediate) issues.

Given the excellant strength of the action and the reduced pressure of the cartridge there should be no problems here at all. Why would one be surprised at Remington condoning this ammo in it's gun?????

Frankly, if I was a pump lover and had a 760 I'd be pushing 60,000+ PSI with the .30-06 in handloads because the gun will handle it nicely.

your my hero vapodog
if i ever get to nebraska i'm buying you a beer. maybe i should just send you $20 and have two one for you and one next to you hoping a cutie who likes to prepare and eat game meat sits next to ya

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f i ever get to nebraska i'm buying you a beer.

Thanks but I'm a tetotaler....non drinker.
The first gun I ever owned was a 760 in .270 and I handloaded for it.

Yup, some stout loads run thru that thing and it handled them like a bolt action.

Sadly it wasn't a varmint rifle and I traded it for a .225 winchester.

I have a friend with a pump .270 and it's as accurate as a bolt and he's sold on the gun. If you like the pump, it's a reliable strong and accurate gun.....I, however after tasting the boltaction M-70 have never looked back. It's bolt actions all the way for me.

You should'nt use HE loads in an auto because of the higher port pressure brings the bolt back faster, and could break the buffer. HE ammo is made by loading with very slow burning powder a little at a time, compressing after just a small amount is put in the case, etc. etc., with, of course, commercially grade powder. Federal guy(tech)tells me it works fine in a pump. Jay