I've never gotten that thinking... the 30-06 runs a strong 150+ fps with ALL bullet weights over the 308. I've handloaded for five 30-06's and six 308's so my opinion isn't pulled out of thin air.

So what ?. A 150 FPS isn't shit for a comparison !.

My Lapua .338 makes it pale by comparison !. So what ?.

A .308 and 06 are comparable to a 180 grain and under projectile . I didn't say they were exactly equal !.

I've shot Elk , Deer , and other animals of comparable size & weight . They dropped with a single shot . In all fairness none of the animals ever said one or the other really whacked me harder than the other . Dead is Dead , That's comparable !. Point is does it make a difference 2700 ,2550 FPS when hunting ?. Not in my opinion both are accurate .308 uses less powder smaller case do I favor one over the other ?. NO !.

Do I use them on excessively long hunting shots NO. Long range Metal & paper punching is another story .


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Posted 20 July 2007 03:54
With the availability of premium bullets, what if any advantage does one have with a 30/06 over a 308?

Not sure what a 30/06 with a 150/165 tsx or partition can do that a 308 with the same can't.
" Nothing I can see ".

It seems that there is becoming less and less of a difference betweeen the cartridges as the bullet construction improves.

Projectile weight is weight !. Velocity is velocity . variations in construction pertain to flight and stopping power , expansion , wound channels or solids for bone crunching .

Shoot straight know your target . ...

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
O.K., let's stipulate 180 gr. TSX in both cartridges, both handloaded to max or just below, whichever makes you more comfortable....

Now, you are in the willow bush looking for moose, and you run into old sow griz and a couple of cubs near a stream running into a beaver pond. Which would you rather have in YOUR hands, the .308 or an '06, if you could only have one or the other?

Within reasonable range,180tsx308win will get in to where it has too, so will 165tsx308win.
If I knew I was specifically going to be tramping after moose in BB country, Id most like be carrying
.338-06 225tsx,9.3x64B 250tsx.
As you can see I prefer to gain momentum not by extra velocity, but extra dia.&weight at the same velocity...ie; .30cal 180@2650,.338cal225@2650,9.3cal250@2650

That's an interesting statement, but it did not answer the question I asked. Which of the two, .308 or .30-06, would you rather have in your hnds in the circumstance cited?

AB, I hunt in Grizzly country and deal with them every year elk hunting. My own thinking is a guy needs a CNS hit to stop a charging grizzly and a 308 or 30-06 are both up to that task if a guy is lucky and/or does everything just right.

Still, I prefer the 30-06 over the 308... the extra 150 - 200 fps helps open up bullets like the Barnes TSX another 100 yards farther out than the 308...

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Originally posted by Woodjack:
Now, you are in the willow bush looking for moose, and you run into old sow griz and a couple of cubs near a stream running into a beaver pond. Which would you rather have in YOUR hands, the .308 or an '06, if you could only have one or the other?

Within reasonable range,180tsx308win will get in to where it has too, so will 165tsx308win.
If I knew I was specifically going to be tramping after moose in BB country, Id most like be carrying
.338-06 225tsx,9.3x64B 250tsx.[/QUOTE]

Woodjack, Are you a practicing song and dance man? roger

No average distance for the first hit was given in the data I read.

As for the bigger is always better school, here is the info for the 338 Wm, 358NM, the 9.3s, the 375 H&H, 416 Taylor, 458 WM and the 460 WBY:

338 WM..111 moose killed, 1.5 rounds required, 31 meters traveled until down.

358NM..192 moose killed, 1.2 rounds required on average, 36 meters traveled.

9.3 x 62..306 moose killed, 1.4 rounds required, traveled 36 meters.

9.3 x 64..5 moose killed, 1.6 rounds required, distance traveled on average 50 meters.

9.3 x 74..7 moose killed, 1.2 rounds required, 32 meters traveled.

375 H&H..265 moose killed, 1.4 rounds required, distance traveled 30 meters on average.

416 Taylor..17 moose killed, 1.3 rounds required, 27 meters traveled.

458 WM..18 moose killed, 1.3 rounds required, 18 meters traveled.

460 WBY..3 moose killed, 1.3 rounds required, 70 meters traveled.

As can be seen, bigger and faster didn't kill significantly better. Dogs are required to track and find wounded game, so almost no game is lost. Before a hunter can get a tag, he has to demonstrate an acceptable degree of accuracy on a running moose target to a specified range. So the firearms proficiency for Swedish hunters on average is probably better than it is for American hunters. Swedish citizens are limited to owning a total of 5 fire arms.

And for the 270 and 7MM Remington magnum fans that feel they have been left out, here is your data:

270 W.. 7 moose killed, 1.4 rounds required, average distance traveled 64 meters.

7MM RM.. 75 moose killed, 1.4 rounds required, 47 meters traveled...Rusty.

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Now, you are in the willow bush looking for moose, and you run into old sow griz and a couple of cubs near a stream running into a beaver pond. Which would you rather have in YOUR hands, the .308 or an '06, if you could only have one or the other?

most of us AC who "do" the brush work know that answer. It is the 220 grn- we know that -the heavier the better. Them bones are just too damn dense when they get big and on the charge-penetrate!

edit: I now keep some handloads of Woodleigh PP 240 grn for either my .06 and or the .30-338---heavier is better pure and simple.

When I am posting on any cartridge, I sort of assume we are talking hand loads. The 06 is generaly loaded to 50,000 CUP while the .308 is 52,000.So in factory loads the I think 2800 with a 180 grain 30,06 is very doable, and with the .308 you will do well to beat 2650.
Not a huge difference, I think about 400Ft lbs. If you have a good acurate .308 I would say there is no need to go out and buy a ,30,06. And vise versa. has a bit of an unfair advantage.
I am a little curious why there are as many comments on feeding as there is.
I have never had a bolt gun that would not feed unless there was somthing needed fixing.
that being said, I allways like the the way the mauser rounds feed.
It is shaped for it.
My Roberts AI witch is built on an FN action feeds just great even with mt cases.
...tj

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Originally posted by grizz007:

most of us AC who "do" the brush work know that answer. It is the 220 grn- we know that -the heavier the better. Them bones are just too damn dense when they get big and on the charge-penetrate!.

Last week or maybe the week before a friend of mine was persuaded to get off the river he was on by a big brown (not trout). All he had in his hands was a fly rod no 06, so he left. True story!

Now see guys Grizz 007 got the right answer , no spin, no song and dance no re focus,just straight poop. A leason here to be learned! roger

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
O.K., let's stipulate 180 gr. TSX in both cartridges, both handloaded to max or just below, whichever makes you more comfortable....

Now, you are in the willow bush looking for moose, and you run into old sow griz and a couple of cubs near a stream running into a beaver pond. Which would you rather have in YOUR hands, the .308 or an '06, if you could only have one or the other?

Dr.K ; Would have neither !. He would in fact have either a 7 MM Mag or .338 mag !.

If I had either one of .308 or 30/06 the Grizz would be stopped !. Maybe for some of you unfamiliar with weapons this might need to be said . Fire first cartridge recharge chamber fire immediately if situation warrants it , repeat if necessary !.

Besides all that I generally carry a 44 mag pistol with full heavy cartridges !. One thing I can thank the U S army for ( Be prepared or be dead ) !.

It still does not change the fact 150 FPS isn't enough to bother me one way or the other . I still load for accuracy not velocity . The squirrels I shot have no heads !.

Shot straight know your target . ...

Doc -

The question wasn't about what you would prefer to have, but which you would choose if you HAD to choose between the two.

I also suggest to you that a .44 Mag can sometimes be almost worse than nothing in the situation described. Except with some really good luck, the odds are that sometimes it may just throughly piss the grizz off when you cause him/her some pain with it but don't down them immediately.

It is also worth while to go to the back of, say, the Hornady manual, and compare the velocities and tajectories given the same weights of bullet at recommended max loads, for the 7 mm Mag and the .30-06. Unless the manual has been considerably revised since my edition, the '06 pretty much equals the 7 Mag in many instances.

There is not much between the '08 and the '06 for deer, elk, or moose, but there are times when a heavier bullet travelling with as much energy as your rifle can give it, is an absolute blessing for breaking big bones in a tight spot.

It is because of those situations that for myself only, if I could have only either a .308 or a .30-06, I would choose the '06.

Incidentally, I spent years in the Army too (25th Infantry, "Tropic Lightning" Division mostly), and I cannot recommend most DI's or small arms people in the Army as a good source for accurate information about either internal or external ballistics, even for service cartridges. There are some truly knowledgeable ones, but no more than at the typical civilian rifle range, was my experience.

With the 220gr. RN loaded to 55000psi., in both the .308 and the 30-06, The max. .308 velocity is 2350 fps., and 06 is 2610 fps. the .308 has a muzzle energy of 2350ft.lbs. and the 06 has a muzzle energy of 3330ft.lbs. Off hand it looks like a significant difference in KILLING POWER. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Off hand it looks like a significant difference in KILLING POWER. roger

since energy is the result of the square of the velocity.....this is true....on a previous post I claimed about 24%

but someone please tell me how (assuming there's little to no difference in the two) there can be 52 posts on .....nothing!

Pick the rifle first, then the cartridge. I find it ironic that so many are fond of the 220 gr bullet in the .30/06 for truly large game throughout this thread. 90% of these same people would actually use a .338 Win Mag (or larger) on their moose/griz hunt. These days the hunts are so expensive that the price of any standard rifle (Rem, Win, Sav, Brown) is barely an afterthought.

More realistically, the .308 has better availability on cheap plinker ammo, while the .30/06 has better hunting ammo availability in non-gun store locations.

For a short, light rifle take the .308. For a full sized rifle, take the .30/06. I own and like both.

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but someone please tell me how (assuming there's little to no difference in the two) there can be 52 posts on .....nothing!

"chuckle"

okay vapodog, I will help you out here. I at times don't post much and read quite abit. These 2 calibers are highly popular and have loyal followers-they like to discuss the reruns. Me I JUST mention that the heavy bullets outweigh the "little" ones and the .06 is truly versatile in every respect.

I have owned one .308 and gave it to a youngster needing a rifle-a BLR. Never needed to buy another. so now it is about 54 posts but....it is all well.

What makes a 308 Win different from the 30-06 Spr is essentially the twist rate, which is 12-inch vs 10-inch. That means the that the 308 should stop around 165/168 gr bullet weight vs 220 gr for the 30-06, as the faster twist rate can stabilize a longer & heavier bullet. And this is basically why in practice their application differ. Needless to say then that momentum & energy values will differ. Due to the bigger case of the 30-06, it is then able to deliver more velocity per bullet mass.

Warrior

Alberta Canuck ; Ok you win give me a BAR 06 !. Happy now ?.( I still don't care about 150 FPS in most anything 6.5 and up ! )

If one is hunting for any animal one should choose the correct weapon as well as cartridge Agreed ?. If I were in Alaska for example I would be using my .338 Mag either in Win Mag or Lapua .

If hunting Elk in MT , NM , AZ or where ever , either of my 06's or .308's would be fine . Except that I still would prefer my 7 MM Mag .

Now if we're going over too Africa for dangerous crap then NONE of the above would suit me .

Although that being said my 7 MM Mag. has accounted for nearly 85 % of all Animals taken on 5 Continents . As I'm sure your aware of , it doesn't cut it when Dangerous game is the ticket of the day .

Then out comes my .375 H&H. As a back up some one in our hunting party uses a .416 and another a .460 Weatherby .

I've never shot a grizzly or any bear for that matter and have no intention of doing so either . I have fired my 44 mag more than once to redirect their course . That includes a Big Alaskan Brown .

As for the Army well maybe I had a better instructor who knows or cares . Mess with the Best Die like the Rest " 101 Screaming Eagles " !.

Shoot straight Know Your target .
Good on you ...

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Originally posted by vapodog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
but someone please tell me how (assuming there's little to no difference in the two) there can be 52 posts on .....nothing!

It's called justifycation to support EGO or some such roger

Hmmm -

Dr. K, sounds like we went through the same jump school. My comment on that wasn't to disparage DI's, just to point out that ballisitics is not their field of expertise, and cartriedge selection for field use isn't either. Basic field tactics, yes, IF they have actually seen the elephant, and are not just repeating what they have heard from other DI's or read in a manual. Some have, most haven't.

My best local friend is a former Green Beret company commander, and is now an adviser/firearms inspector for ATFD. His advise on firearms/cartridges I would take in a heart beat. But the average DI from ANY unit I would listen to and evaluate just like anyone else I would meet on an average day at the range.

Actually, I have no problem with anyone who wants to use a .308 for whatever they wish.

Only point I was trying to make is that for what little it is worth, the difference is in favor of the '06. Likewise, the pros apparently used to select the .318 WR over the '06 for plains game in Africa for the same basic reason I take an '06 over the '08. That is, if a person stumbled on to something OTHER than plains game, the .330" diameter, 250 gr. bullet commonly employed in the .318 did a better job of breaking the big stuff down in a tight. That from a case which was basically just the same as the '06 only a tad shorter, but with the bigger, heavier bullet.

Best wishes to you too...and everyone else at AR

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
but someone please tell me how (assuming there's little to no difference in the two) there can be 52 posts on .....nothing!

It's called justifycation to support EGO or some such roger

yea I know.....just a bit of gun talk humor....and it's free!

Why did the 308 have shorter travel distances for the moose shot with it than the 3006 did in the Swedish data?

Why did the 6.5 x 55 have shorter travel distances that the 270 Winchester, 7MM Remington Magnum and the 3006?

Why did the 9.3 x 74R have shorter travel distances than the 9.3 x 62 and 64 did with their moose?

And why did the 458 Winchester Magnum shot moose only travel about 1/4 the distance that the 460 Weby Mag. shot moose did?

Sure the 300 Winchester shot moose traveled a shorter distance than the 308 and 3006 shot moose did, but the 300 WM required more shells per moose than any other cartridge I listed did to bring down its moose.

More velocity does not necessarily equal more killing power. In each example given above with the exception of the 300 WM, the lower velocity rounds dropped Swedish moose faster than the speedier rounds did. I don't believe that the difference in velocity between the 3006 and the 308 is enough to make any practical difference for most hunters.

Everyone should shoot what they like because they like it. Not because it has to be the best thing there is out there. There really isn't all that much difference between any of the big game calibers in real killing power...Rusty.

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Within reasonable range, 180tsx 308win will get in to where it has too, so will 165tsx 308win. If I knew I was specifically going to be tramping after moose in BB country, Id most like be carrying .338-06 225tsx, 9.3x64B 250tsx.

As you can see I prefer to gain momentum not by extra velocity, but extra dia.&weight at the same velocity...ie; .30cal 180@2650, .338cal 225@2650, 9.3cal 250@2650

You just cannot fault this logic.
And the impact velocity down range will make for good bullet performance.



Warrior

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
O.K., let's stipulate 180 gr. TSX in both cartridges, both handloaded to max or just below, whichever makes you more comfortable....

Now, you are in the willow bush looking for moose, and you run into old sow griz and a couple of cubs near a stream running into a beaver pond. Which would you rather have in YOUR hands, the .308 or an '06, if you could only have one or the other?

id be fairly confident with my 300wsm thanks. psh nah id have a 222 and head shot it
down she goes...

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Originally posted by Paul from nz:
psh nah id have a 222 and head shot it
down she goes...

Stop drinking the rubbing alkky,Paul. roger

Roger...he's from New Zealand....cut him a little slack....it's in the water down there!

As can be seen, bigger and faster didn't kill significantly better. Dogs are required to track and find wounded game, so almost no game is lost. Before a hunter can get a tag, he has to demonstrate an acceptable degree of accuracy on a running moose target to a specified range. So the firearms proficiency for Swedish hunters on average is probably better than it is for American hunters. Swedish citizens are limited to owning a total of 5 fire arms.

This scenario will not happen in real life:
Two twin-moose are standing at the exact same distance, in the exact same angle to you, and your hunting partner. The both of you has a steady aim at the heart.
Only difference is tha calibers on your rifles. You are shooting a .270 win, and he a .375 HoH Mag.
You hit where you both were aiming.
Now, MY belief is that the larger of the two will not do any worse...

Also, not every hunter has to take the "test" you refer to. It is up to the team to decide what rules you should have.
I think its a good rule to have though.

Last, we are allowed to have four firearms. That is, if you havent done something bad, like beating up your neighbour or so. Another rule I think is good...
After the first four, you can be allowed to two more, if you can give good reasons why you should have them.
Off topic, but it has just lately become legal for us to use silencers WITHOUT HAVING A HEARING DISORDER...
That is, earlier you had to first damage your hearing, then get a silencer...

Take no offense now Rusty, it is just my belief, the one about the calibers!

Yes Asti ; It's a good idea the running Moose practice . I only wish they would require something similar here in the states !.

Serious hunters are never the problem in my opinion it's those Dam weekend Warriors . Just like Golf goofs on the course , Clubs ,cell phone and booze I'm playing now boy !.

I don't believe it's anyones business how many firearms short or long weapons a person owns !.

That is until one causes a problem , then it becomes everyones problem .

I also like the drunk driving laws in Sweden !. Again I wish we had similar laws here . but we have attorneys scum sucking low life rat fodder !.
They along with politicians and Judges are one in the same . I look upon them as the three ring circus act !.

Another law that needs to be changed here . NO Attorney could hold public office for a minimum of 5 years after leaving his practice or profession . Yes I do day dream once in awhile .

Are you close to Malmo ?. I've been up that way . I worked with a couple of Swveed's Ya Know for many years . Were and still are dam good friends .
I went on a trip with Fritjof ( Pete ) and his boy Bj ( Bjorn ) back home years ago !. had a hell of a time to . That's another story !.

Shoot straight know your target . ...

The both fire the same bullets, so the terminal performance will be the same within the velocity window the bullets are designed for. The edge the 06 has is slightly more range due to slightly higher muzzle velocity, but that amounts to 50 yds.

My thinking is, with modern bullets, the 30 cal doesn't need more than 180 gr to kill any game to be hunted with a 30 cal, and the .308 is within at most 150 if not 100 fps of the -06 with the same barrel length. My 20" .308 pushes 180's 2600 fps, I'd expect 2650 w/ a 22" barrel.

I've had a .308 for years, and have never figured out why I would need a 30-06. If I was going to a full length action, I'd go straight to the 300 win mag and then I'd see a real increase in performance. Or, if I needed more killing power than a 30 caliber offered, I'd jump to at least a 338 win mag.

It never seases to amaze me how folks dismiss the .308 as barely capable of big game and the -06 as greatly more capable. There is nothing I wouldn't hunt with a .308 I would hunt with an -06, and I'd always want the more compact .308 rifle.

Asti,

Thank you very much for your input and straightening things out. I was hoping some one from Scandinavia would speak up and set the record straight.

I have read a number of things infrequently about hunting in Scandinavia but I didn't really remember which things came from which country and I didn't know how to go back and look these things up. And at my age your memory is always somewhat suspect.

Many people here believe that all of your hunting is done on driven game, with dogs driving the animals, and the shots are made at very short ranges by social gatherings of hunters. That everything is densely timbered there and that your moose are much smaller and much easier to kill than our elk and moose are here. How big are your biggest moose and how much, weight wise in pounds if you can manage it because people here don't get the metric system, do your average moose weigh?

Since no kill distances or bullet weights are included in the Swedish data that most of us have seen, many hunters here feel that the Swedish data is completely meaningless for them. How is the data viewed there? What are your hunting conditions really like? What is the team approach that you spoke of?

I know I would like to have a better understanding of how your hunting is actually conducted. I understood that things are more open and shot ranges run longer in the northern part of Sweden than they do in the south, more like they run in the western parts of the US. Any input you could offer would be greatly appreciated, at least by me. I would also like to hear from hunters in Norway, Finland and Denmark if there are any out there who would like to contribute their input.

I take no offense at anyones caliber choices; its their money, their gun and their hunt. I also believe bigger can be and often is better. I just don't believe that faster is always better for everyone all of the time as is commonly held in this country...Rusty.

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Originally posted by Paul H:

I've had a .308 for years, and have never figured out why I would need a 30-06. .

Paul! you could do a little trans position and say'"I've had a 30-06 for years, and have never figured out why I would need a .308."--- That however does not pertain to the original question. roger

Roger,

And thus I totally understand the -06 fans saying why would they give up 100 fps? The answer is not the muzzle velocity, but in the guns. You would gain a more compact lighter rifle with identicle real world performance on game.

It all comes down to same bullets, for all intents and purposes same velocity, and not suprisingly, same results on game.

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Originally posted by Paul H:
Roger,

And thus I totally understand the -06 fans saying why would they give up 100 fps? The answer is not the muzzle velocity, but in the guns. You would gain a more compact lighter rifle with identicle real world performance on game.

It all comes down to same bullets, for all intents and purposes same velocity, and not suprisingly, same results on game.

Paul, as I previously posted....if one likes the M-99, M-88 or M-100 then I agree....nice guns in a nice package and chambering.....but the difference in a .308 M-70 featherweight and a 30-06 M-70 featherweight is almost nothing!

If one resorts to such guns a a M-7 Remington then the short barrel factors the energy again.

If I truly want a lightweight rifle I can pick out a Remington titanium rifle.....

Where the difference in weight begins to be meaningful is when one has a M-70 featherweight 30-06 and wants to compare it to a 300 magnum.....now the difference stands out a lot more.

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Originally posted by Paul H:
The both fire the same bullets, so the terminal performance will be the same within the velocity window the bullets are designed for. The edge the 06 has is slightly more range due to slightly higher muzzle velocity, but that amounts to 50 yds....
...I'd always want the more compact .308 rifle.

The good thing is, MRX operate in a wider velocity band than TSX,, ie; they are designed to expand at 200fps slower than TSX. a benefit for both .308win&3006.
I do admit, a McmillanEdgestocked SA 308win 23-24".550muzzle, polygonal bore barrel from WL,Pacnor,MikeRock,Shnieder, is a very efficient attractive package. Tests from White Labs and other sources verify true velocity increases 50-100fps,from 24"poly bores(over conventional bores)
I remember reading about Mr.Tubbs saying there is a marineCorSniper308win with Rock barrel,sitting in a particular tactical shop, that has had 14,000 rounds through it, still going strong.

Now even after having stated my defence of the 308win, I would still like to have a cartridge that is .2" longer in the body(2.20"case length), why? , bcause the SAm70 has a 3.08"length magbox.and with a std. 2.8"308win installed, I quite simply dont like the existence of those kinds of gaps.

Here's another Kiwi whos been drinking the water.
Bloody hell I've shot 400lb plus cattle beasts in the head with a 22lr.
One shot each and they don't move a step.

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Originally posted by oldun:

Here's another Kiwi whos been drinking the water.
Bloody hell I've shot 400lb plus cattle beasts in the head with a 22lr.
One shot each and they don't move a step.

Among the tasks I've had in life is to "cull" herds of dairy cattle for rendering....one well placed 22 LR is all it took (most often) to drop 1,000 pound cows!

but I'm not sure what this has to do with the 308 verses the (far superior) 30-06

Dr.K :
_Malmoe is in the very south of Sweden, I live waaay up north... I guess its close to 900 miles up?

Rusty:-The survey that was made here is good, only I dont believe its telling the whole truth.
Like your almost saying, you have to practice even more with a large muzzle... It doesnt kill by itself, the shooter has to do his part, and I think thats one of the reasons we got the results as they are.

As for the team approach, if I understand you correctly, its up to a team to have a democratic "election" if they should have the shootingtest or not. It is not a law.
Many hunt moose in teams here, but some hunt alone.
You are correct, we have a lot of driven hunts here. And the farther south you go, the shorter shotdistances it tends to be. Generally, I have to add...
We also use dogs that "holds" the animal still by barking, so the hunter can get close and finish the hunt. Some stalk for moose, and some sit and wait for them.

Our biggest moose can reach a mass of about 900 pounds. That is when they are without skin, belly, head and feet. NOT the living weight.

Sorry for the hijacking of the thread. Totally off topic...

.308 vs. 30-06, now thats a novel conversation piece! Lets try 30-06 vs. 30-06 and see if we can get as many opinnions.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
.308 vs. 30-06, now thats a novel conversation piece! Lets try 30-06 vs. 30-06 and see if we can get as many opinnions.

Vapo,
Funny that.
I had no idea what a topic on the relative merits of the 308 and 30-06 has to do with taking side swipes at New Zealanders!

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Originally posted by oldun:
Vapo,
Funny that.
I had no idea what a topic on the relative merits of the 308 and 30-06 has to do with taking side swipes at New Zealanders!

All in good fun my friend....if you're ever in the neighborhood stop in and I'll get you a beer!