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 What advantage, if any has the 6.3 over the .358 of the same case capacity? Is there really a significant increase in field performance or is it just a case of " I want one "?  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | ||
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I'll guess the 9,3 has the bullet weigth advantage.. Lots of good bullets from 250 to 320 grains. The 9,3x62 will also push a given bullet weight a bit faster than the 35 Whelen... M | |||
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What Metric said. Would your target every know the difference probably not. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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My 9.3X62 is just a very accurate and pleasant rifle to shoot. | |||
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I would have a 35 Whelen but I got a 9.3x62 first. If I would have started with a Whelen I wouldn,t need the 9.3. From a practical standpoint they both do the same thing. Yes you can use heavier bullets in the 9.3 but really what advantage is that>? Dead is dead | |||
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same difference as a 270 vs 280 .. "nothing" .. you can get the same SD bullets in each.. but you can't shoot 124gr HPs at 3100 + fps in the 9,3 for "pest control" opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You cant get 124g HPs but you can get Hornady 95g HP Makarov projectiles for the 9,3 if you look hard enough, and the 320g Woodleigh is an advantage on DG. Of course that is another clincher, the 9,3 is legal for DG.... Formerly Gun Barrel Ecologist | |||
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Jeff, That is the reason most of us have multiple rifles. | |||
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 Thank you. Hmmmmm--- Back to my gardening. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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The only difference I can think of is bullet weight because of twist rate. I have 9.3x62 & a 350 Rem Mag which are very similar in case capacity. The 350 is 1 in 16 which is common so 200-250 grain bullets vs 232-320 for the 9.3. | |||
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A 9,3 is legal for dangerous game in some african countries where the 35 is not in any african country Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Jeff said he was going to shoot pest. | |||
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Just recently I had JES bore my 30 Gibbs to 35 Gibbs,, having a Norma for years has made me appreciate the ranging with 225's and how nothing lives through an encounter with 280 Swift A Frames. A couple years ago I ran some 286 horns in 9.3 through a Lee sizer and they shot excellent,although I never killed anything with them. The 280 Swift is such a good bullet looking elsewhere isn't necessary. As my hunting doesn't take me to far away the African deal means nada and the rifle is the same one my wife bought me 30 years ago with just a little bigger hole in the barrel. I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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My experience...worth nothing...except to me. I've shot a lot of African plains game with the 338-06, the 35 Whelen (standard & improved) and the 9.3x62, with bullets weighing between 225 & 286 grains, traveling between 2400 & 2650 feet per second. There were several warthogs and Impala along the way. The rest ranged from 400lb heartebeast to 2000lb eland, with kudu, zebra, oryx and wildebeast in between. Lots of them. These so-called mid-range calibers knocked 'em dead. All of them. I was never able to distinguish the hits from among the cartridges. They all worked. The difference in my mind over the years has been the rifle. Which one? Which looks the best? Which feels the best----today? Very, very few guys can shoot the difference between a 338 cal 225gr bullet @ 2500fps, a 35 cal 250gr bullet @ 2450, or a 9.3 (366cal) 286gr @ 2500. The game certainly doesn't know the difference. It's all fun, isn't it? Best..............TWL 114-R10David | |||
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I have owned a 358 Win, 9.3X57 Husqvarna & a 9.3X62 Mauser. Never owned a 35 Whelan. While I loved the 20 inch barreled Mod 70 in 358 for bush hunting of red deer, the cartridge is not in the same league as the other two. It's best results were with 225 gr bullets. The 9.3s are great with 286 gr bullets and the 9.3X62 is fine with 320 gr bullets. I doubt that the Whelan would match that, though the difference on a lion or a Cape buffalo in Mozambique may be a good test for the experts / experienced among us here. With modern mono metal bullets the difference may be even less for same bullet weight. I will stick to my pre 1912 Simson in 9.3X62 with octagon to round fully ribbed barrel - it has the history & the cool nostalgia factor! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I have shot .358 bullets for years with my .358 STA's. The bullet selection is excellent from 185 grains up to 310 grains. The best being 225, 250 and 270 grain Northforks. The 310 grain Woodleigh is also excellent if more weight is desired. I used the Northfork bullets in Africa on Plains game and took my .416 Rem for Cape Buffalo. The STA outperforms both the .366 and .375's in my opinion, once again opinions are dime a dozen. The fact that the .358 was not legal mattered not to me because I wanted an excuse to take my 416 anyway. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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The problem is, paper ballistics and the animals sometimes are at logger heads! The truth being there isn't spit difference from the 308 to the 300s and even then the effect of a properly placed bullet of proper construction is really minimal..The difference in trajectory is also less that 6 inches in 99% of the cases, and most can wiggle off or wiggle on 6 inches past say a 100 yards, sometimes less!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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You can get 275 and 310 grain Woodlieghs in 358 if you want those weights. I favour the 35's just because I like them. To me there is little difference between them. I run a 35 Whelen 1 in 12 twist-as they should be - a 35Sambar and have a 358Rigby being built. if I need to go larger then my 375H&H will d the trick. | |||
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Three years ago, I was looking for a 35 Whelen but "settled" for a Ruger M77 358 Win. It has become one of my favorites. I later found a 9.3x62 and I've taken both elk hunting (with no success). While I might feel more comfortable with 9.3 in bear country, I'm very happy to carry my little 358 Win for most NA large game hunting situations. It works really well on hogs too. Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty. | |||
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I own the .358 norma and a 9.3x62. My norma, using 225gr bullets, is faster and flatter for the longrange badlands hunting for deer and elk, while the 286gr of my 9.3x62, only a few hundred fps slower, is ideal for moose and elk in the timber. Close call, and it all comes down to personal flavor of the day! | |||
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Jimmy has it right. I do like the idea of my .358 275 gr RNs. I just don't seem to need them in the woods and fields of the State of Misery. Our whitetails are not that tough. As long as I don't come up against the much feared Saber Toothed Whitetail. | |||
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I've only shot whitetails with mine. I've used 35 Rem, 356W, 358 and 35Whelen as well as 9.3x74R. My 9.3x62 only made holes in paper. There was no noticeable difference on whitetails in any except, maybe the 35 Remington was not quite as quick of a bang flop with good hits, more of a bang fall down. Poor hits were no more effective with these calibers than with my 257 Roberts. On whitetails, I didn't see any difference between the 9.3's and 358's, or even between them and an 06. Bfly Work hard and be nice, you never have enough time or friends. | |||
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You fail to mention which 358! A 358 Win. is not even near a 9.3x62, The only competitor to a 9.3x62 is a 375 H&H..Some claim the 35 whelen and I have both, and the Whelen doesn't come all that close to the 9.3x62. My 9.3x62 shoots a 286 gr. bullet at 2550 FPS for a max load..My Whelen shoots a 225 Nosler at 2500 for accuracy and I can push it to nearly 2600 FPS, the 250s are 2500 FPS..I shot my .375s with 300 gr. bullet at 2500 FPS. Close but no cigar. Don't get me wrong I love the Whelen, but a 250 gr. bullet at 2500 is not a 9.3x62..As Pierre van der walt states in his great book, African DG Rifles "the 35 Whelen is as close to the 9.3x62 as cuss'en is to "dammit", that's a good analogy. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The only competitor to a 9.3x62 is (and was) the 350 Rigby Magnum. Just compare those case capacities... Having a choice I would opt for the Rigby caliber. | |||
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Moving to the other end of the power/energy spectrum, please tell me how the 9,3 does with plinking rounds.  | |||
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I can't answer on the 9.3 plinking loads but I would bet is great with a 300 grain cast bullet and any of the powders you have. I run 31 grains of SR 4759 in my Whelen behind a 280 -300 grain cast. Works great. Should work great in your 9.3 x 62 as well. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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FYI. Two of my wildcats , the .358 x 41mm ( 1.625" ) and the .375 x 41, powder capacities comparable to the 30-30, will safely push 300 grain gas checked bullets out their barrels at 30-06 energy levels. You might gain a little more with these bullets from a larger capacity case, but not much. Cast bullets at higher velocities tend to give you problems.If the 300grain gas checked bullet came from either one of these two or a 9.3 at the same energy level no game animal would know the difference. GARUNTEED. When I started this thread my thinking was that when comparing calibers that bullet mass and velocity would be near the same. In no way did I mean to compare .358 Win. to a 9.3 x62 . I'm really surprised that anyone did. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I am SOON to take possession of my 9.3x64. 232 Normas for plinking, varmints, et al, 250 Accubonds for deer and antelope and 286 North Forks for real work.  | |||
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Cameroon will let you use your .358 for any dangerous game. | |||
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The 9.3x64 is a whole nuther ball game, its a no contest, its only equal is the 375 H&H and Ruger.. I prefer the handloaded to legal 9.3x62 over any of the 35s,even the 358 Norma for game such as Cape Buffalo Hippo or elephant..not to condem the 35 Whelen, my favorite rifle is a Jack Haugh single square bridge 35 Whelen, and handloaded I get 2600 FPS with a 250 gr. Horn, and my all time elk load is a 225 Nosler at 2700 FPS and both are killers. I will also note that one wonders if some are not just protecting those lovely 35 Whelens and that's a natural reaction, but have they ever shot a head of game with the 9.3x62 would be my next question. For DG I put a lot of emphasis on the weight of bullet and mostly the size of the hole in the end of my barrel. The practice of using 06 brass to make 9.3x62 is a poor practice as you get a every so slight bulge in the rear of the brass. Resizeing that bulge makes brass wear in a hurry and you won't get more than a couple of reloads with it, if that depending on your chamber..It has always been a poor but somewhat accepted practice with more than a few calibers, some say its dangerous, I don't know about that, but I know its hard on brass... BTW, for the doubters Privi Partizan brass is about $30. per hundred cheaper than 30-06 brass so why would someone do this is my next question. PPU brass is second only to RSW IMO, and so much cheaper! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Because 0.008" in diameter makes a world (Continent?) of difference.  | |||
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My 9.3X62 is my favorite of the ones mentioned. Maybe because it is the most accurate and pleasing to shoot. I don't believe comparing it by .008 diameter. A better comparison is the area of the 358 against the 9.3. The real difference on my rifles is not the bore, just the best shooting rifle that I have. | |||
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Are you saying ---.1052sq.inches to .1007 sq. inches??  roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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With tradition loads yes. Load a 350 Rigby to what Rigby could of and should of and the 9.3X64 is going hard to match it. The 35 Sambar will drive a 310grain Woodleigh at 2300 to 2400fps, a 250grain at 2600 to 2700fps and a 275 grain at 2500 to 2600 fps. The 350 Rigby loaded to todays specs is better than 35 Sambar by 100 to 200 fps. Taylor was happy with the 350Rigby 300grain loads of the day. saw little difference between these and the 375 on Ele. | |||
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I believe Taylor was referring to the .400/.350 with its 310 grain FMJ bullet, rather than the .350 Rigby. | |||
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Northfork makes 225-250-270 grain softs, 270 grain solids in .358 caliber. Swift A-Frame make 225-250-280 softs in .358 and Woodleigh makes 310 grains in same. I have shot all but the Woodleighs in my STA's which are 200 fps hotter than the Norma and Rigby on all bullet sizes. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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I do not know anything about a .358 but have used the 9.3 and really like it. I shot 286 gr softs in one for lion hunt and it did just fine. | |||
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Could be, but they are very similar in performance as loaded at that time. | |||
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The fly in the ointment here is barrel twist, many .358s will not shoot the 275 to 310 gr. bullets, All 9.3s will shot 230 to 320 gr. bullets well...at least that's been my experience with the 358 Win and the 35 Whelen, and a gob of 9.3s... To the novice the difference in cross section of a bullet can't possibly be meaningful in stopping or killing power, when in truth most experienced DG hunters and PHs consider it very meaningful to killing effect on animals, especially the large and dangerous kind....I always consider cross section of bullet, weight of bullet, and construction of bullet, to decide what caliber I will hunt DG with, and also animals like Moose, elk, Eland, Giraffe etc. I also firmly believe that cross section of bullet is vital to better blood trails. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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