I wouldn't say that there's a cartridge that I dislike per se, but I do have my preferences. I prefer bolt action or single shot rifles in European metric calibers like the 6.5x55, 7x57, and 9.3x62. I enjoy using cartridges that are different than those that most people where I live like to use. As such I don't buy many .243's, 270's, 30-06's, 7mm Mags or 300 mags. They are in fact great cartridges and I have owned and enjoyed them all- they are simply not what I prefer. However, the .223 Remington is one of my favorite cartridges (I know, I know - a very common caliber throughout the U.S.). No logic here - it's just what I like.

If I had to own a 308, I reckon I'd shoot myself

Don't like the 243 either, the bastard barks and doesn't bite.

Never owned a 30-06

The WSSM's are useless, won't feed, terrible brass; but the RUM's.......love em all

Its funny but i dont "Hate" any cartridge as all have a useful purpose for something. I guess its my bow hunting back ground but i consider any firearm or cartridge a huge advantage to primitive weapons.

My favorites 1. 6.5X55 swede no recoil or report but kills em real quick

2. 358 win efficient, kills all out of proportion.

3. 35 whelen a classic that could travel the world and not be undergunned(except for DG)

4. 30-06 if GOD forbide the thought, i could only use one cartridge this would be it, from mice to moose it will "get er done"

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Originally posted by fgulla:
Its funny but i dont "Hate" any cartridge as all have a useful purpose for something. I guess its my bow hunting back ground but i consider any firearm or cartridge a huge advantage to primitive weapons.

My favorites 1. 6.5X55 swede no recoil or report but kills em real quick

2. 358 win efficient, kills all out of proportion.

3. 35 whelen a classic that could travel the world and not be undergunned(except for DG)

4. 30-06 if GOD forbide the thought, i could only use one cartridge this would be it, from mice to moose it will "get er done"

Interesting that you essentially opted for the slower cartridges. The Swedes built up a good record with their 6.5x55 rifle using 156 gr bullets on Moose at modest velocity. Likewise you echo good performance with the almost forgotten .358 Win. Winchester currently offers one load for the .358 Winchester by way of its Super-X Silvertip bullet - a 200 grain pointed soft with an advertised muzzle velocity of 2,490 FPS. Upping the stakes to a heavier bullet - a 250 grainer at modest velocity in the 35 Whelen has proven itself on North American big game over and over. All loads with modest velocity at range so the bullet can perform, especially with non-bonded conventional Soft Point bullets. The 30-06 Spr just a fraction faster with a 180 gr bullet but at range its striking velocity is invariably modest as well.

For the very same reasons the 7x57 mm and the 9,3x62 mm calibers have such an enviable performance record as most of the time the shooting takes place within 200 yds.

Warrior

I don't know if the 270 Winchester is a 'great' caliber, but it sure got hyped for decades.

I also don't know if I dislike the hypee or the hyper, more.

You could take every 270Win ever made, turn them into permanent tomato stakes and it wouldn't bother me in the least.

The 30-30 is tops on my list and almost all the newly developed Remington/Winchester/Ruger ect Magnums.

I wish all the millions of $$$$$ that they spent on these new rounds would have been spent on building a better rifle....fit and finish....triger ect.

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I wish all the millions of $$$$$ that they spent on these new rounds would have been spent on building a better rifle....fit and finish....triger ect.

Nailing it on the head !!!

Warrior

Anything not 75 years old. . .

Never been a fan of any of the 270's can't stand the 308 or the 30-06. Had a 06 20 years ago and was never impressed with it sold it and never looked back.

Hoeram

Any Weatherby calibers (especially 257 Wtby)
308
7 mag

Can't help it!

7mm Mag
Which is strange, it is my primary hunting rifle and the most accurate I own. Just never warmed to it. I take it hunting, but seldom ever to the range.

7mm Mag. Not so much the cartridge but it seems like for a while a long time ago everyone I ran into that had one was an idiot of first class.

The type of people that velocity cured everything. Poor accuracy? More velocity will cure it. Poor bullet selection? More velocity. etc....

These were the people who thought it was some type of magic....you could hit an elk in the hoof and kill it instantly with a 7mm mag.

Never understood it. Never understood why the 7mm mag seemed to attract so much of it over the other catridges.

243 Winchester. Horrible! All that the 244 Remington should have been but wasn't. Which is a pity as the 244 Remington is the better cartridge.

If remington would not have confused the status of the 280 remington by changeing its name to epress there would be no 270 win. It would have died away in rapid sucession when the world realized how superiour the 280 is. The 270 win is nothing more than than a half a century of spam and spoted stories that have carried it along. Yeah I hate the 270 just because everyone else thinks it is fantastic.

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Originally posted by zdrive:
If remington would not have confused the status of the 280 remington by changeing its name to epress there would be no 270 win.

No.

The .270 Win was out 32 years before the .280. Stores established stock of ammo and guns. The .280 offered no practical advantage so it remains where it is.

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Originally posted by zdrive:
It would have died away in rapid sucession when the world realized how superiour the 280 is.

Had the 280 been debuted before the .270 then they would be switched today. The world needed a flat shooting powerful hunting gun. The ability to explode bullets killed efficiently.

The 160 vs. 175 offer equal power; 1 is "just" faster, the other "just" more weight. The end result is equal.

160 vs. 160, same gun.

140 vs. 140, same gun.

One can distort trajetory and 400 yard velocity by comparing different bullet shape but when equal bullet design are compared, same gun.

Choose either based on bullet make you like and The Rifle you want to shoot. That will build virtue to shoot precise.

My .270 was free when I was 12. It does kill and Kill well.

don't like the 7 mag because the people i was exposed to as a youngster who hunted with it were dipsticks. i never met an idiot who hunted with a 264 win mag, but i am sure they are out there. i don't own either. also know a number of smarmy types who shoot 7-08. they keep me from buying one, even though i really like the idea of a 7-08 in a remington model 7

In North America,only people who hunt with the 300WM or 300RUM know about hunting and anything else.

For whatever reason I've NEVER cared for the .270 win. Possibly due to the fact that I knew so many lousy hunters who unfortunately shot the .270 win.

The .243/6mm's are useless as well IMHO. Too much for PD's/gophers, barely enough for deer. And far too small for elk.

ANY of the new ULTRA mags...Again the guys who gravitate towards them have small penis issues as well as a lack of real hunting skills.Lot's of velocity will make me a Man and a Hunter!

FN in MT

Kept passing this thread up, and finally checked into it after seven pages. Looks like my views have been covered.
Take every 270 and 243 off the planet and I'll be happy. Those may be the only ones I really dislike. Give me a 6.5 Swede, 260 R, 264 WM, 7x57, 7mm-08, 280 Rem, 7mm RM, 308, '06. 300 WM, 8x57, 338, 358, 350, 35 Whln, 9.3, 375, any of the old black powder rounds, most any big bore. For some reason I just love to hate those two. The 243 just ain't big enough to be the 260, and it's a bit too big for varminting. I suppose it was sold as a light-recoiling medium game round, but there aren't many who can't shoot a Swede. The 270 is just a weird number, and the 280 is way cooler.

Here is a different angle. If I have never had the chance to use a bunch of rifles in different calibers, so I could not give an opinion as to whether or not one cart sucks or it doesn't. The only reason why there's a 243 in my safe is cause my wife is super recoil sensitive. If I were to dislike a round, it would be cause of lack of versatility. Bullet selection, lack of capacity for reloading to different velocities depending on the game or conditions.

270's are for people with no imagination.

If I had to pick one caliber that I hate it would be the 35Whelen.
Why: because I don't own one and my brother keeps buying them and they always drive tacks!

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Originally posted by gixxer:
If I have never had the chance to use a bunch of rifles in different calibers, so I could not give an opinion as to

you dont need to shoot a cartridge to hate it.
i have never shot a .270 but that doesnt keep me from disliking it.

just the same way you can dislike a person without talking to him/she.

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Originally posted by Juggernaut76:
"Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out and take me some wild game." -Genesis 27:3

Praise the Lord!

Ever read Acts?

"And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat." Acts 10:13

That is a good one for motivation to get up early! Especially after not eating for a few days.

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Originally posted by ar corey:

Had the 280 been debuted before the .270 then they would be switched today.

Agreed! Along the same lines, if Dirty Harry had him a .41 Mag, the .44 would be the black horse.

I can't say I really HATE any rounds. I just prefer to not own vanilla rounds. Stuff like 30-06, 270, 308, 300 win, 338 win. Your bland, ordinary stuff that every other guy in the woods is hauling around. A friend of mine and I have started buying guns in calibers that you don't see every day. 405 win, 350 rem mag, 35 whelen, 450 marlin. Next on the list is a 450-400NE 3". The list will continue.

I have to add to the list of 243 haters. I figure if you shot a deer and he found out he'd be pretty pissed! I don't get the 270 280 thing. I have never seen a 280 in person but have owned a 270 and my choice to buy it was nothing to do with all the crap from all the old magazines you old timers remember. I do know I killed everything i pointed that gun at though. I guess if it was a 280 it would have been just as good, but just cost me more to shoot as ammo is non existent here.
I also hate the WSM's mostly the 300. too short and fat to work in the actions they were put in. Terrible waste of energy. The 300RUM, or maybe the owners who say they get 3800 with a 180gr bullet and don't know what a chronygraph is.
And last on my list is the best hate of all... 30-06. Probably because everybody and their dog owns one and it has zero appeal to me.
Good shootin.

what do I hate?

Ok here goes...

Any cartridge that is chosen to support the speakers personal identity.
like the omnipresent mentions of the various 9.3mm cartridges.

Cartridges that are chosen against their nearest competetor
270 Vs 280 for instance because the speaker thinks that
"everyone has one of those" in regards to theone they didn't choose.

The 7x64 is an even better example, both of that and chosing a cartridge because it's "exotic"

Cartridges that answer a question, but nobody understands that there was a question in the first place. the 300RSUM comes to mind.

any cartridge that is chosen because Quote: "It fits in a short action"....

Arguing the virtues of the 308 over the 30-06?

Ever wonder exactly how much a 0.4" Slice of rifle through the magazine box really weighs?
1/2lb is an exaggeration.

Any PERSON that whines about "Belted magnums" who has not visited a plastic surgeon to have their belly button erased or any guy who hasn't wondered why they have nipples really needs to "put a cork in it"

The belt can easily be IGNORED.

any cartridge that someone is fanatically loyal to for no material reason when any of three (or twelve) other cartridges will do the exact same job just as well.

Any cartridges chosen based on the quintessential "fluff" of advertising hyperbole.

That being said I see little point in the 243win, the 264WinMag and of the "alphabet soup" magnums
(Especially the WSSM cartridges) or oddball bore diameters
(The aforementioned 9.3) on the continent where the speaker lives.

Any of the 30caliber lever rifle cartridges meant to replace the 30-30 as an eastern deer rifle.
Many have tried, ALL have failed.

Add to this ANY cartridge where handloading cannot equal factory performance.

And what exactly will a fast twist 22-250 do that a 243 or 6mmRem won't do better?

Another one that I hate?
"Fast twist" 223's that are built to stabilize the long heavy match bullets for any purpose other than match target shooting where the rules essentially require it.


Basically following military stupidity with your nose up the ass of the dog in front of you in their pointless (and hopeless) attempt to turn the 223/5.56 cartridge into an anti-personel round that it never has been and likely never will be, presuming that a switch to Curare filled HP bullets
isn't in the near future.

Odd for the sake of being odd is IMO stupidity.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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I know this is not the real place for this one but the 25acp is the most worthless round ever brought into existence!!!!

If not it certainly is among them.

I just have to add an "AMEN!"

AD

ALL THE ABOVE. SERIOUSLY I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING I DON'T OWN.

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For all you 243 haters. If you can't kill a deer with a 243 learn how to damn shoot period.

+1

Anything that goes Boom is good having said that I really can't see the big deal about the short mags.

Any calibre that is the invention of the marketing arm of a Firearms Manufacturer - any WSM WSSM RUM or other excercise in playing guessing games about what the damn thing is really called...

I might have responded to this a couple of years ago so if I have changed my mind since then, so be it.

For no particular reason I dislike the:

308 Win
30/06 (Though I have used them extensively)
270 Win
243 Win
I just cannot see myself purchasing any one of those ever.

My favorite two cartridges of all time are the 340 Wby and the 375 H&H.

Landrum

I dont hunt in Africa or Alaska, therefore I have no use for anything with much more powder capacity than an 06. The one exception is the 45-70 just because I love shooting my Buffalo Classic for fun.

For anything in NA there is simply no need for anything more. There are plenty calibers in that class that exceed 3000 fs and get the job done just fine.

The 270, the only beef I have with this great classic is the muzzle blast. Otherwise it is deserving of "hall of fame" status..

The 300 WM is one of my least favorites. It should have been based on the 338/7mm mag, (the 308 Norma is a far superior design) the neck is too short and it is a waste of powder. It is WAY overrated in NA!! No need for such whizbang nonsense and dont even get me going on the "ultra" whizbangers..

I like a lot of the European calibers, some of them are excellent. They know how to make a good magnum cartridge..

Some of my personal favorites are 280 rem, 257 rob, and 358 Win..

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Originally posted by namibiahunter:
I don't like the 7.62x39, never did, never will. Too many came too close too many times.

Namibiahunter

Now THAT is a good reason for NOT liking a caliber!!!

All of those cailbers/cartridges that have been introduced since 1925 that were "destined" to replace the 270 Winchester.....none did!

You know after reading most of the posts here, I am amazed at some of the responses. I absolutely love the .270/30-06 class cartridges. I also love the little .308. It has served me well, and packs a lot more punch than people give it credit for. But the round that I HATE, is the 7mm Rem. Mag. It isnt THAT much hotter than any of the 30-06 class cartridges. It might just be because lots of the proponents of this round believe it will do anything. They are the same people who raise an eybrow if you talk about using a 30-06 for elk, but suggest a 7mm mag is better. Not on this earth or any other. Maybe the "magnum crazed" guys are blinded by the belt. I dunno, it is a good round, but not THAT much better than the .280. If i was going magnum, I would go .300 Weatherby. also in response to Jack O'connor. Jack was one of the greatest, and well experienced hunters of all time. He new well rifles, and terminal ballistics given the technology of the day. The .270 win is a flat shooting "killer". It WILL KILL ELK, but it is the smallest i would use. It is a fine deer, sheep, antelope round. But the best all around north American Hunting Rifles in my book is the 30-06. Not meaning the big Bears, but anything else it is great. With good 220 grain bullets, it will dispatch a Coastal Brownie in a pinch.

ok i think i gonna get killed over this.........303 and 30-06 are my least faveorites,probablly because father in laws are always tryin to ram em down my throat,will take my 280 and my 7 mmwsm anyday oh and my 338win holds a special place in my heart

I like all 36 of my guns from the 22 cal to my 458 Lott. My favorate is my 300 Win Mag. I've had three barrels put on it.