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Why get all selective, nitpikee, combative, VSBS and stuff...nothing wrong with having all three!!!  And a few others, large and small, just for kicks.  I'm certain many have all three, I do...no trouble grabbing any one of them and just doing it...the animals never know the difference as to which cartridge OR which bullet weight for that matter...they all roll over and become steaks and stew. Of course they all roll over no matter WHAT cartridge or bullet I use...for the simplest of reasons...Ya'll know that reason. Luck | |||
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And if you do, you'll have a mighty fine rifle cartridge from the 1915 era, which was produced clear up into the 1930s by Western Cartridge Company, among others. It was originally called the .35 Adolph for about a year or so, then immediately afterward, the .35 Newton (Newton designed it, reportedly using 11.2 m/m Schuler brass, for Adolph). Would like to have one of those barrels myself, to use on my current project rifle...a Model 1916 Newton which is currently in .30/.338 (AKA ".30 Belted Newton"). I believe a .30 Newton case may clean all of that chamber up, including the belt area. If it will, I'll do that first, then get someone to cut me a .35 Newton chamber in another barrel, so I can have a switch-barrel pair of Newtons. I already have a raft of .375 Ruger brass put away to feed them, and another original Newton cartridge which could go on the same gun with the same brass...the .33 Newton, which was sort of a .338 Remington UltraMag from that same WWI era. Would prefer to do the work myself, but don't have room in this new house for a new lathe, and it is cheaper to get a couple of barrels cut on (threaded and chambered) than to sue the homeowners association for permission to build another room onto the house and then do it, then still have to go buy the new lathe, needed 4-jaw chuck, Aloris tool post, and all the other tooling needed to take the drudge work out of it and make it fun. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Canuck, I know about the 35 Newton. Case dimensions are slightly different from the Ruger but overall case capacity is very similar. I own an original 256 Newton but "retired" it after I built my 6.5-06. Always wanted a 35 Newton or a 358 Norma. Looks like the availability of Ruger brass will make a 35-375 Ruger something doable for me. My only worry is that the 375 Ruger neck length is almost at what I normally consider "minimum." Shortening it even further by going to 35 caliber may be too much. A different forum has a bunch of posts on 338 and 35 wildcats based on the 375 Ruger and they have preferred to set the shoulder back to preserve neck length. This is not the proper forum to address that issue, but back to Biscut's original question....I would take the Whelen over the 358 Win any day because of its ability to handle heavier bullets -- if you have the proper twist. Barstooler | |||
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I have used the 35 Remington, 350 Remington mag, 35 Whelen with good results and accuracy. The latest 35 is a Ruger Hawkeye in 358 Winchester, it also is very accurate and pushes the 225 Sierra's to 2530 fps, I imagine that will perform just as well as a Whelen doing the same speed. I like'em all............. Free speech has been executed on the altar of political correctness. | |||
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i can load 225gr right at 2500 with my 358 winchesters (i've had a few).. within 1% of the federal factory loaded 225gr 35 whelen... like the 30-06/308 parent cases.. the difference ONLY resides betweens one's ears ... NOT on game in other words, both are excellent opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Comparing apples to oranges. First apple and orange -- the 30-06 and 308 parent cases and most offspring are loaded to different pressures. Second apple and orange -- "i can load" versus "factor loaded." Nosler and (most reloaders) pump the 35 Whelen above the anemic factory loads. How does you 2500 fps 225gr 358 compare with the Nosler 2800 fps 225gr for the Whelen? I think 100 to 150 fps difference is "between ones ears," but when you get 300 fps difference that is a tangible step up. But back to my real issue with the 358 Win is it just does not readily digest bullets of 250gr without having to seat them so deep that you reduced powder capacity for the short actions they are chambered in. 250gr is my "standard" bullet for the Whelen. And with Nosler published loads I am getting 2500 fps. Several loading manuals do not even list 250gr loads for the 358. Merry Christmas Barstooler | |||
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That may be with your rifles. It is not the situation in mine. I currently have and load the 250 gr. Winchester Silvertip as my standard bullet in the .358 Winchester. It is seated right to the cannelure, and does NOT protrude below the neck of the case. Maybe that's because Winchester designed and introduced the case, the bullet, and one of my rifles in that chambering...the M70 FW. I have never found the .358 Win. lacking for any use I'd put any .35 to in NA. I owned a .358 Norma Mag too for a number of years, but found I didn't need it as I already had the .358 Winchester. I sold the Norma Mag. It was much more powerful, but the extra power was no asset here. So now I still shoot and load the .358 Winchester. If I want more than that, I usually grab one of my 9.3s or at least a .376 Steyr. | |||
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I have been using the Whelen for almost 10 years now and it is everything I need in a medium bore rifle. I have a M700 Classic and have basically settled on 225 gr. slugs. If I really need something heavier, I will go up to .375. I have taken deer at 20 yards and a moose at 410 yards with the Whelen, no problems, no fuss. | |||
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Everyone should have the freedom to choose based on their personal preferences. First, I am a large guy perceived recoil differences between 25grs of bullet weight mean little to me. Second, I will not take shots beyond 350 yards with most of my rifles. They are not scoped for it and I preferr to pass on a longer shot rather than risking wounding an animal. That is just me, you may be different. That means that inside 350 yards I no ballistic advantage to using "light weight" bullets. Maybe it is the old Elmer Keith attitude but that is the way I am. Thus I ALWAYS use heavy bullets if I can in all my calibers. 375 = 270 to 300 gr 358 = 250 gr 338 = 225 gr 308 = 180 gr 7mm = 160 gr 270 = 150 gr 264 = 140 gr 257 = 120 gr 6mm = 105 to 112 gr 224 = 52 gr (because of the slow twist in my 22-250. I see no reason to shoot light weight bullets in any caliber given my personal preferences. I could probably switch to lighter bullets but I see not reason to do so at this time. You all may be different -- and so be it, and so it is written in the anus of time. Barstooler | |||
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If I found a rifle I liked in either one of these calibres It would not make any difference to me. I used to have a 350 Rem Mag Mod 7 and I have shot more different kinds of game with a 9,3x74R double than any other calibre. I can say that these medium bores are great hunting calibres... IF I was buying a new bolt rifle, and had a choice I would pick a 9,3x62... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Simply put and stated without prejudice the 35 Whelen is balistically has a velocity advantage over the .358 cartridge. With 250 and 310 gr. bullets the advantage is substantially in favor of the Whelen. Like N.E. 450 no. 2, I have opted for the 9.3x62, it is by far the best of the 06 size cases, albiet it holds about 8 more grains of most powders.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have both cartridges but different concepts of rifles. .35 Whelen     .358 Winchester   | |||
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just to add data.. the 250gr rn was a factory loading from winchester, iirc, at 2250... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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