Ah Sarcasm, sorry I missed it, we have alot of Big Bore doubles shooters on the forum.

There are little icons to help with that.....like












That last one is for the folks that say the .22 LR is the perfect elk rifle.

and to be honest, I think I'd flinch at anything over 300 win.

I'm $1.50 soakin wet, I'm not sure what a .338 would do to me.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i just never GET this arguement

the norse, especially the swedes, shoot "meese" or european moose, all the time, with the dinky 6.5x55 ... have used the combo for nearly a century

the 6.5 is smaller than the 270, in case capacity, velocity, and diameter .. remember, its a .264

a friend just sent me pics of he and his wife taking a 5x5 and a 5x4 with a pair of factory loaded 7x08s ...

I'll say it again .. the 270, with proper bullets, is a fine caliber

In Don Laubach's new book, he states that he feels the best elk calibers are 30.06 and .270.

I'm not one to take any one person's opinion as the final answer but he looks like my grampa, why would he lie!

http://www.flipkart.com/elk-hu...mark-book-193183265x

I'm not much of a bookworm but I like his writing style. I use it to stay motivated while scouting in the summer.

Good luck to those who have yet to get out this year. Deer opens here next weekend which is followed by elk. I can't wait!!!

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the best elk calibers are 30.06 and .270.

and this just might be because folks can shoot these cartridges well.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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the best elk calibers are 30.06 and .270.

and this just might be because folks can shoot these cartridges well.

BINGO

Once again, vapo and jeffe spew the TRUTH!

pretty sure that's the reason he gave...I'll look it up


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"if I had to pick the perfect rifle calibers for elk hunting, it would probably be the .270 and the .30-06 for their all around abilities. With the proper loads, they're flat shooting, adaptable to other game, pack a punch, and their cartridges are available in every small town store that handles any ammunition at all. That's bound to spark some arguments among the big caliber boys, but it's calling it as I see it after years of watching elk hunters perform with them."

So I retract the "best" statement in my post and go with perfect.

Really, to each his/her own. If longer shots where an issue for me, I'd reach for something bigger. I will also admit that I'm after meat for the freezer so I'm always looking for something smaller than most.

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Really, to each his/her own. If longer shots where an issue for me, I'd reach for something bigger. I will also admit that I'm after meat for the freezer so I'm always looking for something smaller than most.

Sounds like me! After shooting a huge bull, with yes the 270 Winchester, and he never moved after being hit, I believe the 270 is Magic, but man he tasted nasty!! Now I hunt cows. Excellent table fair. I have a cow hunt tomorrow, unbfortunately it is muzzel loader, so I won't be able to shoot the 270. I'll post some pics of that big bulls rack, which I have on the wall in my den. That'll be for Ol Hot Core's benefit, and also some of the cow,soon!

Regards

Jerry

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but man he tasted nasty!!

Boil the meat in high salt cooking wine for several hours....it's quite good after that!....but then shoe leather might be good after that too!

MrJ. - My thoughts exactly. How can one rifle be more or less effective with the exact same round?? I think it is the fact that some people just like to "brag" about their rifle, as in P64 Mod. 70 Win. Geez.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by mrjulian_1970:

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Originally posted by Dewey:

, the .270Win. in a Mod. 70 just plain works, always has and will as long as hunting survives.

)

So does it have to be a Mod 70 for it to work?

Sorry couldn't resist....

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:

Sounds like me! After shooting a huge bull, with yes the 270 Winchester, and he never moved after being hit, I believe the 270 is Magic, but man he tasted nasty!!

That's funny! It's true though, big ol bulls and bucks are not so good on the table. Cows and spikes are downright delicious.

Someday I'll probably want to get a nice set of horns but I like to try and keep a freezer full of meat while the kids are in the house. The kids aren't into shoe leather.

On the show Powder Horn Montana that aired a couple of weeks ago on the Sportsman's Channel, both George and Tim made one shot kills on bull bison with their .270's and 140 gr bullets. Those buffalo are at least twice the size of bull elk.

It's more about bullet placement than bullet diameter.

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:

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I'm after meat for the freezer so I'm always looking for something smaller than most.

Sounds like me! After shooting a huge bull, with yes the 270 Winchester, and he never moved after being hit, I believe the 270 is Magic, but man he tasted nasty!! Now I hunt cows. Excellent table fair. I have a cow hunt tomorrow, unbfortunately it is muzzel loader, so I won't be able to shoot the 270. I'll post some pics of that big bulls rack, which I have on the wall in my den. That'll be for Ol Hot Core's benefit, and also some of the cow,soon!

Hey Jerry, I look forward to the flicks. I've heard some of the software programs can totally erase the "Bumper Marks".

In Honor of you teenie-weenie Elk Slayers(ONLY because they taste the best ), I pulled out a Steak from an 1100# Bull and had it this week. Even my old permanent teeth were able to chew right through it and was it ever Tasty - Yuuum-Yuuum. But, when you all shoot the teenie-weenie Elf(you know, Elf does sound better for those teenie-weenie ones ), then you all won't really know.

If you let any meat lay on the ground and DO NOT get it chilled quckly, it will taste bad. But, if you are only shooting a 300# Elf, out of the truck from a couple of hundred yards, and have all the meat in an 80qt cooler in about 20min after the shot, then I agree those teenie-weenie Elfs should taste fine. No wonder you all think the 22cal, 24cal, 25cal and (rag ) 270cal are plenty for Elf.

Look forward to the flicks.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
MrJ. - My thoughts exactly. How can one rifle be more or less effective with the exact same round?? I think it is the fact that some people just like to "brag" about their rifle, as in P64 Mod. 70 Win. Geez.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by mrjulian_1970:

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Originally posted by Dewey:

, the .270Win. in a Mod. 70 just plain works, always has and will as long as hunting survives.

)

So does it have to be a Mod 70 for it to work?

Sorry couldn't resist....

No, a nice Mannlicher-Schoenauer, a Dakota 76, a Browning Safari Grade FN, an FN Deluxe or Supreme sporter,or. the Husqvarna rifles with either the FN or the HVA action and those wonderful light BSA sporters which we could buy here as well as the Brno ZG-47s, all in .270Win. and all very effective tools, so chambered, for killing elk.

P-64s just are so consistently reliable and easy to maintain under wilderness conditions, that many here prefer them. Not a difficult concept to grasp, really.

Well, we all can't be manly elk slayers I guess.

Not gonna go there...don't really care...to each his/her own...you know what they say about opinions.

This time next week, I'll be doing last minute checks on my gear, loading the big cooler, and turning in a little earlier than usual. 3 weeks straight between the deer and elk. All of which will be no more than an hour from the house.

Best of luck to everyone!

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:

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I'm after meat for the freezer so I'm always looking for something smaller than most.

Sounds like me! After shooting a huge bull, with yes the 270 Winchester, and he never moved after being hit, I believe the 270 is Magic, but man he tasted nasty!! Now I hunt cows. Excellent table fair. I have a cow hunt tomorrow, unbfortunately it is muzzel loader, so I won't be able to shoot the 270. I'll post some pics of that big bulls rack, which I have on the wall in my den. That'll be for Ol Hot Core's benefit, and also some of the cow,soon!

Hey Jerry, I look forward to the flicks. I've heard some of the software programs can totally erase the "Bumper Marks".

In Honor of you teenie-weenie Elk Slayers(ONLY because they taste the best ), I pulled out a Steak from an 1100# Bull and had it this week. Even my old permanent teeth were able to chew right through it and was it ever Tasty - Yuuum-Yuuum. But, when you all shoot the teenie-weenie Elf(you know, Elf does sound better for those teenie-weenie ones ), then you all won't really know.

If you let any meat lay on the ground and DO NOT get it chilled quckly, it will taste bad. But, if you are only shooting a 300# Elf, out of the truck from a couple of hundred yards, and have all the meat in an 80qt cooler in about 20min after the shot, then I agree those teenie-weenie Elfs should taste fine. No wonder you all think the 22cal, 24cal, 25cal and (rag ) 270cal are plenty for Elf.

Look forward to the flicks.

An 1100 lb "Carolinas" bull Elk.

Surely Hot Bore could post a picture like this then. Though for my own good, and as a safety precaution, I will not hold my breath.

I sure thought the 1100# Bull would fire-up more people. No one even asked about the HUGE Antlers.

Soooo, it is Confession Time!!! The 1100# Bull is correct, but it only had 2-points - it was a And it sure tasted fine.

Just giving you folks a hard time about the teenie-weenie Elfs(Elk under 500#) and Inadequate Cartridges. Unlike some Tales told on this Board, I had no intention of telling you all a WHOPPER and then not setting the record straight.

That's odd, as you are the single, biggest bullshitter and phoney as a hunter-bushman, that I have ever encountered on any forum that I have visited.

I do not usually bother to respond to your lies, snide comments and mentally-deranged posts, but, if you are looking for "bull", just gaze into the closest mirror.

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The 270 and bull Elk

In case we have forgotten the thread title.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
MrJ. - My thoughts exactly. How can one rifle be more or less effective with the exact same round??

Because they are. All rifles are not the same.

nice story and pics Chuck...I know an Alberta elk hunter who's shot a few with a 139 Hornady out of a 280,...so I know the 270 will work fine.

and,..uh,..Dewey...three Pre'64 Model 70 Fwts in 270 is too many for one man,...send me one....soon...I have them in 308 and 30-06 ,..and a Supergrade in 270,..but I want a Fwt in 270....:-)

You just GOT a P-64 action from my buddy that I was considering buying, be happy!!!

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Originally posted by Dewey:
You just GOT a P-64 action from my buddy that I was considering buying, be happy!!!

well..OK then..:-)..that action is enroute to Bill Leeper as we speak, along with a McMillan in the Supergrade pattern and a 30 cal blank....:-)..

if this is considered a highjack..sorry chuck...

But, I still need a Fwt 270...I recently picked up a Classic Fwt in 280 but it didn't really turn my crank,.....so I sold it.

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It's more about bullet placement than bullet diameter.

My thoughts exactly!!

Shot placement relegates all other splitting fairy dust on pinhead discussions to secondary importance.

Rembo, I hope my LH Classic and all it's bits including an Echols EDGE stock and .284 blank beats your RH rifle to Bill's mill/lathe. Sadly I think you've beat me to the punch.

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Originally posted by buffybr:
On the show Powder Horn Montana that aired a couple of weeks ago on the Sportsman's Channel, both George and Tim made one shot kills on bull bison with their .270's and 140 gr bullets. Those buffalo are at least twice the size of bull elk.

It's more about bullet placement than bullet diameter.

So what? A bull moose is a lot bigger than an elk but they die a lot easier.

I agree shot placement is what matters, but you are comparing apples to oranges.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
That's odd, as you are the single, biggest bullshitter and phoney as a hunter-bushman, that I have ever encountered on any forum that I have visited.

I do not usually bother to respond to your lies, snide comments and mentally-deranged posts, but, if you are looking for "bull", just gaze into the closest mirror.

Ah yes, laughed off the Board when you posted as kutie-the-idiot.

But the above sure looks like your Auto-Biography. I'll suggest the title should be "The Skirt Wearing Queer. Pitiful and Pathetic."

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by Dewey:
That's odd, as you are the single, biggest bullshitter and phoney as a hunter-bushman, that I have ever encountered on any forum that I have visited.

I do not usually bother to respond to your lies, snide comments and mentally-deranged posts, but, if you are looking for "bull", just gaze into the closest mirror.

Ah yes, laughed off the Board when you posted as kutie-the-idiot.

But the above sure looks like your Auto-Biography. I'll suggest the title should be "The Skirt Wearing Queer. Pitiful and Pathetic."

Hey Dewey I notice you didn't address your comments to anyone specifically. However someone assumed it was directed at them. Gives credence to the saying, "if you throw a rock into a pack of coyotes, the one that yelps is the one that got hit"!

Have a good one.

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Boil the meat in high salt cooking wine for several hours....it's quite good after that!....but then shoe leather might be good after that too!

Vapo: Reminds me of the guy who cooks mergansers on a cedar plank, when they are done, he throws the mergansers out and eats the plank.

The story of that bull, I refered to as nasty, he was shot @8800, near Alpine Arizona, and my buddy Jeff, shot his the next day, @3500 elevation on the Campbell Blue River Drainage Arizona. You could not have processed either of those animals any better, and unless the meat cutter in Springerville had a power outage or something to ruin the quality of the meat, I have no other comments, except they were bulls shot in September. Mine with the Glorious 270 Winchester, and Jeff's with the johnny come lately 7MM Remington Magnum.

Jerry

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The story of that bull, I refered to as nasty, he was shot @8800, near Alpine Arizona, and my buddy Jeff, shot his the next day, @3500 elevation on the Campbell Blue River Drainage Arizona. You could not have processed either of those animals any better, and unless the meat cutter in Springerville had a power outage or something to ruin the quality of the meat, I have no other comments, except they were bulls shot in September

I've hunted in NM close to Alpine in the morning, then played golf at the little course there in Alpine before our evening hunt.

You have a rifle season in SEPTEMBER???????

In Alpine, unit 27, it is usually the Trophy Bull Rifle Hunt. Archery and Muzzel Loader also are in September. I shot that bull I refered to in September 1995.

I just finished a cow Muzzel Loader hunt this past week end, near Williams, and my son Steve finished his archery cow hunt 2 weeks earlier, same general area, 2 elk in the freezer. Ate some of the Chorizo from mine tonight, it was spectacular!!

Jerry

Beautiful country too...

AnotherAZWriter wrote:

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Originally posted by buffybr:
On the show Powder Horn Montana that aired a couple of weeks ago on the Sportsman's Channel, both George and Tim made one shot kills on bull bison with their .270's and 140 gr bullets. Those buffalo are at least twice the size of bull elk.

It's more about bullet placement than bullet diameter.


So what? A bull moose is a lot bigger than an elk but they die a lot easier.

I agree shot placement is what matters, but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Not exactly. There is a lot of internet dribble about the .270 being inadequate for elk. I interpret Chuck Nelson's original post in this thread as showing that the .270 is adequate for elk.

My reference to to the Powderhorn Montana TV show was just to show that with proper bullet placement, an animal twice the size of an elk can be quickly and humanely killed with a .270. If you had watched the show, you would have heard Rob Arnaud, the outfitter on the Flying D ranch where the show was filmed, and who has personally guided hundreds, if not thousands, of buffalo hunts, comment on how quickly George's shot with his .270 killed his buffalo.

And as to your comment that bull moose die a lot easier than elk, well, that kind of sounds like an apples to oranges comparison also.

I only have limited moose hunting experience, but the two Montana bull moose that I did shoot were both one shot kills from 180 gr Nosler Partitions from my .30 Gibbs. I shot both bulls tight behind the shoulder at under 100 yds and both bulls ran 30-40 yds then fell dead. In over 40 years of elk hunting, I have had at least a dozen bull elk that either dropped dead where they were standing, or fell and died within 10 yds of where I shot them. In these cases, the elk died easier than the moose.

And yes, I have had to put a second bullet into a few bull elk, and I have shot other elk that ran more than 10 yds before they died.

The whole point of my earlier post was not to compare apples to oranges, but to give an example, that was shown on national TV, where the .270 quickly and humanely killed an animal larger than an elk.

Buffybr:
I like your post. Factual and to the point. I guess some folks can't get over the fact, that the 270 Winchester, which I believe is a Magic Cartridge, is an excellent elk cartridge, and shot placement, says it all.

Regards

Jerry

Yup, it is a very sound and experience-based commentary and "tells it like it is" I have shot some game, witnessed many Moose and Elk kills and packed out some, too. The big northern BC Moose are twice the size of a trophy bull Elk and are pretty "bullet proof" in the rut, when they are easiest to hunt.

The old story about "soft" Moose and "tough" Elk has always struck me as "dudes" talk and the sort of "legend" promoted by gunscribes whose "hunting" is mostly following a guide.

I only kill what we can eat, but, I had friends who shot several dozen Moose and as many Elk, with .303Brit., .30-06, .270Win. and other such rounds and never lost one. This, was largely in the East and West Kootenays of BC, back when this region was the finest big game hunting in North America.

I tend to use a bigger rifle, as I backpack alone where Grizzlies are numerous and hunters have recently been mauled and killed, but, the Elk has never walked here that I would not shoot with one of my .270s and 150NP and one is going to Saskachewan with me later this fall.

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
Even a girl can kill a bull Elk with the 270 Winchester.

Where was she aiming? Lungs?

Aiming at the lungs and hitting 2 feet forward is poor results. An aorta hit is pure luck and a nervous jitter later could have resulted in a brisket; much bleeding and stress and no recovery.

If she intended to hit the lungs she is not qualified to shoot at live game.

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Originally posted by ar corey:

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
Even a girl can kill a bull Elk with the 270 Winchester.

Where was she aiming? Lungs?

Aiming at the lungs and hitting 2 feet forward is poor results. An aorta hit is pure luck and a nervous jitter later could have resulted in a brisket; much bleeding and stress and no recovery.

If she intended to hit the lungs she is not qualified to shoot at live game.

The lungs were struck and in pieces. That shot hit just forward of the shoulder bone and exited the off side just behind it.

Not qualified to shoot big game? You can shove that comment where the sun don't shine.

Why even reply?

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If she intended to hit the lungs she is not qualified to shoot at live game.

That Sir was uncalled for undignified, and just plain BS.

Jerry