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Originally posted by rcamulia:

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
I don't wanna snipe any of my game except p'dogs over in the next county from where I'm standing. I wanna spot it before it sees me, figger out how to sneak up on it, do that, and shoot it at arm's length or less. That's why I call it "hunting".
It's about fun, not whether I fill some tag or not.

Then any of the hundreds of rifles you own are overkill. You should be bow hunting.

And you sould be eating tofu instead of venison.

The 300 RUM is remington's marketing department capitalizing on consumer's fascination with velocity. Look at the most successful long range chamberings. Most launch a high BC bullet at 2800 to 2900 fps including the big dog .338's.

I was not commenting on what Remington is doing, or why. I was suggesting a reason they have a limited market for the .300 RUM.

As I said, I think it is likely a very good cartridge, but for a very small market.

Anyway, how did that evolve into your telling me what I should be using? You have no more qualification to say that than I do to say you should be eating tofu.

And, to set the sarcasm straight, I do NOT have hundreds of rifles. I do have more than 150, however, and have owned several times that over rhe years. Learning about rifles first hand has been an obsession and hobby of mine for about 60 years. Most I owned for maybe a few years, then moved on to examine, try, learn about, something else.

The upside has been that it was and is enjoyable. The downside is that it was and still is costly, and I have never been rich, so it has taken almost all my money earned over my lifetime, to do it.

And, the really sad part is that now that I have experienced lots of rifles, the ones I really would like to have back are probably expensive enough these days that I will never be able to buy any of them again.

So, if you resent that I have owned so many, that is your burden. I would have rather thought you might find them interesting, not something to be nasty about.

Hope October is a good month for you.

Geez AC, why so sensitive? I didn't mean anything except that if you like to get that close, you really don't need a rifle. I don't resent anything you own and I do find your experiences interesting. What was "nasty" about suggesting if you like killing animals at "arms length" that you don't need a rifle and you can use a bow? You misunderstood my post. Lighten up a bit

I have three RUMs and love the cartridge. It is stunningly accurate.

i had a 300 rum for a couple weeks. mine was a rem 700 bdl, s/s. recoil was too much for me, so i sold it. no regrets.

If you can't drive down the road and see BIG mountains in your state, then all you needs is a three-oh-eight!

Traveling hunters not included, of course

To the OP, you obviously didn't do much research before starting your post and based it all on YOUR personal opinion. The 30-378 Weatherby is not only alive and kicking it has SURPASSED all other Weatherby cartridges in sales from Weatherby.

I think most of this board probably goes out extremely over gunned, but hey, what ever floats your boat is fine by me. But don't compare your local sales/popularity to the industry when you are talking about a bunch of locals taking 50-100 yard shots in dense brush or swamps at white tails every season.

Go to a hunter sight in here in Denver, and you'll see a LOT more 30 cal magnums then anything else, save the 30-06, but honestly, I think the last few weekends I saw more 30 mags then 06's. And if not 30's, 7's.

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Originally posted by rcamulia:
Geez AC, why so sensitive? I didn't mean anything except that if you like to get that close, you really don't need a rifle. I don't resent anything you own and I do find your experiences interesting. What was "nasty" about suggesting if you like killing animals at "arms length" that you don't need a rifle and you can use a bow? You misunderstood my post. Lighten up a bit

OK, RC. If I took it the wrong way, I apologize. I wondered why you did that.

Perhaps it was because I can't physically use a bow that I reacted that way, but that is no excuse if I read you wrong.

I have always found your posts generally thoughtrful and useful to read. Matter of fact, yesterday someone was refering to waho I believe ws you and one other fellow here in a negative way, and I almost wrote in protesting THAT, as both of you are folks whose posts I often find thoughtful and useful, even if I don't totally agree. They always make me think over where my beliefs may be valid and where they may not be.

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Originally posted by LBGuy:
i had a 300 rum for a couple weeks. mine was a rem 700 bdl, s/s. recoil was too much for me, so i sold it. no regrets.

I have a 300RUM and a 338RUM. Really like them. Don't NEED them, just like em.

I personally think the recoil is what turns many off. It is substantial.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

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Originally posted by rcamulia:
Geez AC, why so sensitive? I didn't mean anything except that if you like to get that close, you really don't need a rifle. I don't resent anything you own and I do find your experiences interesting. What was "nasty" about suggesting if you like killing animals at "arms length" that you don't need a rifle and you can use a bow? You misunderstood my post. Lighten up a bit

OK, RC. If I took it the wrong way, I apologize. I wondered why you did that.

Perhaps it was because I can't physically use a bow that I reacted that way, but that is no excuse if I read you wrong.

I have always found your posts generally thoughtrful and useful to read. Matter of fact, yesterday someone was refering to waho I believe ws you and one other fellow here in a negative way, and I almost wrote in protesting THAT, as both of you are folks whose posts I often find thoughtful and useful, even if I don't totally agree. They always make me think over where my beliefs may be valid and where they may not be.

Maybe I should have phrased it, "If you like stalking and shooting them that close, you would enjoy bowhunting"...

I always am amazed at how everyone including me sometimes get the wrong idea upon reading the written word. It's fun to read these forums and watch conversations go south simply from misunderstanding the intent.

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Originally posted by rcamulia:


I always am amazed at how everyone including me sometimes get the wrong idea upon reading the written word. It's fun to read these forums and watch conversations go south simply from misunderstanding the intent.

Yes, that is one of the weaknesses of the written word in communication. Without hearing the tone of the words, and seeing the facial expressions and body language of the writer, the same words can mean a lot of different things and be easily confused or misleading in carrying the intent of the writer to the reader.

Sometimes the written word is even more profound than the writer probably had any intent or expectation of....the Gettysburg address by a certain A. Lincoln, a Chicago-backed politician, for instance. It is great good fortune when that occurs.

Likewise, it can be misconstrued to bring doom into one's immediate future fortunes as well...witness the remarks in the famed 1964 speech of a certain Arizona son, a Mr. B. Goldwater.

How, where, and when they were delivered transformed the effect of both of those speeches which, when written, were really nothing extraordinary in and of themselves. Howver, their ultimate contexts of spoken delivery transformed both them and their authors.

IMO its pretty much moribound as it makes too much noise and wacks you too hard for very little increase in velocity etc. Its not selling well and knowing Remington like I do I suspect they will quit making brass for it at some point, they do this you know...

I'm still shooting the 300 H&H and with handloads and my 26 inch tube gets 3000 FPS with 200 gr. Noslers and thats about all one could ask for..It has suited me for abot 60 years now..

If I need more for soft stuff then I jump to my .338 Win., its no hotshot but it sure works for anything I hunt.

If I was one of those 1000 to 2000 yard hunters then perhaps I would take a look at the bigger 300s, but I'm not and I still like to hunt and slip up on stuff, before I shoot.

I have a Savage 116 I bought in 300 Rum. I have since added barrels in .358, .375, and .416 all based on the RUM case. Very versatile.

The .300 Ultra-Mag made its debut at a time when new cartridges were hitting the market virtually every week. Aside from the cartridge's merits, offer too many .300 this or that magnums and not enough people buy into any one cartridge to insure its success.

Then there's the SAUMs. Remington should have thought this out more carefully as "SAUM" sounds like a Jewish holiday rather than a serious hunting round.

Eventually, somebody will offer a .30 caliber magnum on the .50 Caliber Browning machinegun case, pushing a 180 grain bullet at just under 6000 FPS leaving your game instantly field dressed, skinned and quartered, ready for transport. Just go pick up the pieces.

I was at the club yesterday shooting several of my rifles one was my 300RUM + 200gr Accubonds @ 3200fps.

Accurate and fun to shoot I just love the thump from that recoil.

In 2008 I watched my son put a 200gr A-Frame length wise thru a grizzly @ 250 yards awesome cartridge/bullet combo perfect for here in BC.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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.300 Remington Ultra Magnum - 12 years later.

I have yet to see one at the range.....I was pleasantly surprised one day as I pulled in with my .260 Remington to find two folks there and both of them were shooting a .260 Remington.....but have yet to see a single .300 RUM at the range or in the field.

Apparently it's not heavily in demand.

i've never been in a walmart that hasn't, other during barry-the-guns-salesman-initial period, have a couple boxes on the shelf. don't recall seeing 260 ...


the cry was "it'll be dead in 5.. no wait 10... or, darn it, maybe 20 years'

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Originally posted by Warrior:
The 3 things that will make a cartridge fade away:

dead wrong

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Originally posted by Warrior:

1. Scarcity of cases or worse, no factory made cases anymore.

500 jeffery and 416 rigby, close the door on this silly post. More over, i bring out case A - the 358 winchester

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Originally posted by Warrior:



2. Factories not offering the rifle any more (discontinue production).

winchester production hasn't made one since what, 58? and yet savage and ruger both due, and this conitnues to be a high ranking custom rig

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Originally posted by Warrior:

3. The demand dries up and so the factories cut back and eventually quit.

irrelevent and wrong

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Originally posted by Warrior:

This process is self-feeding, it runs in a circle.

sorry, ,dead wrong. if that were the case, we'd never have seen another 45/70 case... 416 rigby... 358 winchester... 307... and what about EVERY wildcat... say the 458 lott, which never had this start to be popular.

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Originally posted by Warrior:

We have seen this with many cartridges,

not a single popular one.. 45 GAP is a good example of a failed round ... no one else picked it up, and hard to make a gun for. 500 linebaugh, on the other hand, has NEVER been a factory gun (no, freeedom arms doesn't count) yet is very popular

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Originally posted by Warrior:

although some were engineered, some were mistakes, some were simply late entries, some were not really needed in offering anything better, some were packaged incorrectly, some were propriety, some simply did not gain a sizeable following, etc.

so, no guidance or pool of characteristics

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Originally posted by Warrior:

Some cartridges are still stumbling on, but are on death row.

like the 45/70 ... or 500 jeffery.. or 577 nitro?

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Originally posted by Warrior:

Warrior

just doodles, chris..