I am wanting to get a Rem 700 for target work. I want to reload for this rifle. I'd also like to have for SHTF purposes as well (this is really a criteria for every gun I buy).

1) For reloading, will one caliber be more rewarding for my efforts (eg consistency in group size, smaller groups,etc)?

2) Which is better for long range work? Both paper and flesh targets?

3) Between the two rounds, the bullet weight seems to be about the same, however, the .308 Win seems to be a tad slower, and thus more drop. Of course there are a lot of variables (powder charge and bullet), but I'd give the advantage to the .30-06.

4) Assuming SHTF and I have to kill an enemy with an AK-47, will I be able to use his NATO 7.62x51mm ammo in a gun chambered for .308 Win? Yes of course I could take the enemy's AK-47, but I may not have that luxury at the time.

5) What else am I missing? Price? Availability?

Thanks!

1) I don't think either one has an inherent advantage in group size. Both are capable of very good accuracy. The 308 will recoil less and most shooters find that they get better accuracy because of that. The shooter is less likely to flinch and will likely shoot better, so I would give the nod to the 308 for accuracy for the average shooter.

2) Both will carry sufficient energy further than most shooters are capabable of. Both are lethal at very long ranges. The 30-06 will have a slight advantage in velocity, but not by much.

3) If you start getting beyond 400 yards, then you would need to start taking account of the trajectory difference, but that is extreme range for most shooters.

4) The AK-47 normally shoots the 7.62x39, not the 7.62x51. If you did need to shoot 7.62x51 in a 308 chamber, chances are that it work, but it is a longer story than that and you could get more details on the subject by searching if you are interested.

Both cartridges are very common and relatively inexpensive.

Ah yes great point about the recoil, I had not considered that.

I can never keep this dang commi 7.62 rounds straight in my head! Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm not sure which Rem 700 you are getting, but if your wanting to do "target work" I guess I can assume you are looking at a target/ tactical model with at least a 24" BBl and 1:10 twist. The .308 is inherently more accurate than the 30-06 for about a dozen reasons and has set and broken more records than any cartridge in existence And that's a period over fact! The .308 continues to keep up and even send home many of the 6mm/6.5mm and 7mm hotshots showing up all over the country to re-work their loads. It's still the cartridge to recon with at 1000 yard (Palma). As far as reloading for the .308, there are tons of options. With that said, the 30-06 is still without a doubt the most versatile cartridge and has taken every big game species in North America including loads of plains game in Africa. In addition the 30-06 is in no way a keyhole express and has taken home more than its fair share in ribbons and trophies in target match events. But as far as raw accuracy the 30-06 has to stand to the side of the .308. And with the exception of the big bears, the .308 has proven itself as a game getter at ranges out to 600 and 700 yards! And our snipers dating back to 1955 have dropped more bad guys at ranges of 800 to 1000 yards than should be talked about.

So with that said, here is another fact. For out of the box accuracy, the Remington 700 series lost its butt to Savage's tac 10 rifle models. And for that matter, every other production rifle. The Savage may be a bit more $$, but if you're interested in accuracy may I suggest:

My best with this rifle (Savage FCP/K-10 .308) was a 5 shot group with a 1.75" M.O.A. @ 500 yards.



A few of the Military's sniper rifles. Dating back to the early part of the Viet Nam war, Remington supplied "whole rifles" in the early days and still supplies the 700 action for today's standard issue M40 sniper rifle. Also remember, they are ALL .305 or 7.62X51 Nato.

For all around big game hunting, i'd take the 30-06 EVERY time! BUT, for YOUR purpose, i'd grab the 308 and run!

DM

The real significant difference between the two cartridges isn't aparent until you use heavier bullets. For the lower 48 both are adequate. For larger game the 06 has the edge. roger

Bartsche,

Although what you say is entirely true, you miss the point: "Not__infringed" is a gung-ho killer of men and never misses an episode of "24". He will singlehandedly save Democracy from the clutches of the European Single Currency and some guy name Al Kinda. He's a little bit confused about the difference in a 7.62x39, a .308 Winchester, and an old rimmed Russian round for the Moisin-Nagant, but once he gets straightened out, he'll be killin Commies hiding behind rocks from three miles distance. Right now he needs to know if he can supply himself with ammunition from that captured from the Commies he kills. So don't be lecturing him about the difference in shooting a whitetail and a moose.

Stonecreek
You got something against saving America and killing commies? tee hee

Overall I'd say WhatThe, is dead on.

The 150 and 165gr bullets, the velocity difference is 50-100 FPS as rated my some popular reloading manuels. For the learning distance shooter, the .308 more then makes up for this with it's greater inherant accuracy, and being less finichy about it's loads. The .308 is a good medium workhorse caliber, leave the Bear to your .338 WM.

For the EOTW scenerio, again the advantage goes to the .308. Few is any major militaries still issue the 30.06, so it's likely there would be better ammunition avaliability for the .308. In addition .308 ammo stocks would retain better value as currency.

If you wish to have the ability to use a diverse set of ammo stocks you may wish to aquire the propper rifles to go with them. In addition to .308 Win, this would include 5.56 Nato, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and the 9mm. There are many options for all of these, and it ultimatly comes down to a matter of how much you with to invest, and personal taste.

my rule of thumb regarding those two chamberings is this:

if you're going to shoot more than hunt, get the .308. if you're going to hunt more than shoot, get the .30/06.

.308 hands down! For all the reasons posted above and too the .308 is smaller and takes up less room so's you could stockpile more of it in your bunker.
As far as which one is superior at a distance, either one will do well as far as your PRACTICED abilities can take you.

Just for goodness sake don't forget the 60 power Supersniper scope at cheaper than dirt for $49.98.



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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Bartsche,

Although what you say is entirely true, you miss the point: "Not__infringed" is a gung-ho killer of men and never misses an episode of "24". He will singlehandedly save Democracy from the clutches of the European Single Currency and some guy name Al Kinda. He's a little bit confused about the difference in a 7.62x39, a .308 Winchester, and an old rimmed Russian round for the Moisin-Nagant, but once he gets straightened out, he'll be killin Commies hiding behind rocks from three miles distance. Right now he needs to know if he can supply himself with ammunition from that captured from the Commies he kills. So don't be lecturing him about the difference in shooting a whitetail and a moose.

Stonecreek,
You also missed that he thought the AK commie gun used a NATO round 7.62x51 NATO and commie don't go in same sentence when looking for things to work together. That said I know some GI's who don't realize 7.62x51 is .308 Winchester or think they can shoot .308 in a Mosin Nagant because they think all 7.62 ammo is the same.

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The .308 is inherently more accurate than the 30-06 for about a dozen reasons

First off I'm not starting a fight. I asked a question on AR a couple of months ago about inherent accuracy but never really got any answers. I'd appreciate it if you could answer the Inherent accuracy of the .308 with your aproximately 12 reasons.
Best regards,
Brad

Well, to begin with, the .308 has, in realitive terms a shorter fatter powder column.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Bartsche,

Although what you say is entirely true, you miss the point:****** So don't be lecturing him about the difference in shooting a whitetail and a moose.

I shall tare down my podium forth with. roger

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1) For reloading, will one caliber be more rewarding for my efforts (eg consistency in group size, smaller groups,etc)?

The .308 is more accurate than the .30-06. But, it would require a thousand rifles shooting a hundred five shot groups each to prove it. Meaning, for individual rifles the difference is too small to matter and the results may well switch.

The larger physical cartridge size is irrelivant in any practical way, you aren't going to be slogging through the boonies carrying belted ammo cans anyway.

For hunting as in trucks, when you want power there is no substitute for cubic inches. Get a .30-06 and never look back.

Do we really need to go down the 308 vs 30-06 debate? If you want a short action buy a 308, otherwise buy a 30-06. Up to 180 grain bullets, there is only 100 fps difference between them.

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Originally posted by wistrapper:

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The .308 is inherently more accurate than the 30-06 for about a dozen reasons

First off I'm not starting a fight. I asked a question on AR a couple of months ago about inherent accuracy but never really got any answers. I'd appreciate it if you could answer the Inherent accuracy of the .308 with your aproximately 12 reasons.
Best regards,
Brad

You asked,

1. Lighter recoil
2. Less barrel vibration
3. Less barrel rise
4. Shorter/fatter case allows more uniform burning.
5. More uniform ignition.
6. Uniform ignition allows better throat grab (bullet)
7. uniform ignition allows for "straight" recoil kick.
8. I can't think of any more off the top of my head, see #9.
9. If you need more info, see # 10.
10. If you would like to read an interesting article comparing the 06 and .308, see #11.
11. To go to the link, click on the below link on #12.
12. http://www.snipercountry.com/a...es/accuracyfacts.asp

There ya go, 12 reasons!

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it would require a thousand rifles shooting a hundred five shot groups each to prove it. Meaning, for individual rifles the difference is too small to matter and the results may well switch.

The larger physical cartridge size is irrelivant in any practical way

Uhhh.....errrr.....uuummmm, interesting info, were did it come from?

Personally for your stated application, I'd pick the 308 case...

then I'd neck it down to 6.5 mm...

put a good barrel on a Savage Action...

if I am staying with a 30 caliber, it is 30/06 first and 300 Win Mag second, 30/40 Krag and 30/30 Win tied for 3rd place...

The .308 doesnt have a shorter/fatter case, its shorter but not fatter than the PARENT 30-06 case.

In a nut shell .308win is based on a shorter action that is stiffer so it CAN lead to better accuracy potential.

There are no flies on the 30-06 but if you want a rifle for SHTF scenarios i'd get an AR-15 and not look back, 5.56 would be much more plentiful and your not gonna be sitting in your eagle's nest pickin off commies @700yds your gonna have to deal with Americans who want what you have, so high capacity would fit this scene a little better.

If you want a long range sniper type platform the .308win is a great choice.

I forgot the infamous "if the SHTF" part.

I'm sure everyone here has their own Armageddon theory and some have even prepared for the senerio. Unfortunately, Armageddon and "SHTF" can come in so many forms it makes one kind of generalizing for ideas and solutions. You want to do it all with 1 rifle. You want the M40 7.62X51 so you can reach out and touch someone, you want an AR-15 5.56 to throw lead, you want 3/0 buck for those close encounters and a side arm for the other close encounters. For me, I would have to go with fgulla on this and take my Sig 556 and my Beretta M92 9mm for the festivities.

The best war, is the one that never started!

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Personally for your stated application, I'd pick the 308 case...

then I'd neck it down to 6.5 mm...

Yes.

It's called a 6.5 Creedmoor.

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Personally for your stated application, I'd pick the 308 case...

then I'd neck it down to 6.5 mm...

Yes.

It's called a 6.5 Creedmoor.

The 6.5 Creedmore was produced from the .308, but it is not the .308 simply necked to 6.5. That would be the .260 Remington. The Creedmoor round is about the same length as the .300 Savage but has a nearly straight taper with a .459 shoulder.

I agree with the AR15 recommendation for an urban scenario. Ammo is plentiful and you can carry a lot of it. Accurate out to 400 meters, it can be used to obtain weapons you desire from their previous owners and fend off bands of marauders.

For a rural setting, I would prefer the .308 tactical setup for long range suppression.
This would also allow you to "confiscate" weapons you need like AK's and AR's.

shooting 150gr hunting bullets, there's nothing to pick one or the other over, realistically .. perhaps 6-8 yards MPBR

pick whichever you like, it won't make the least bit of difference, outside of a benchrest match

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12. http://www.snipercountry.com/a...es/accuracyfacts.asp

The reasons mentioned above are also the reasons we are seeing records broke with the 7mm/08 and the 300 WSM. You can't fight physics.

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You asked,

1. Lighter recoil
2. Less barrel vibration
3. Less barrel rise
4. Shorter/fatter case allows more uniform burning.
5. More uniform ignition.
6. Uniform ignition allows better throat grab (bullet)
7. uniform ignition allows for "straight" recoil kick.
8. I can't think of any more off the top of my head, see #9.
9. If you need more info, see # 10.
10. If you would like to read an interesting article comparing the 06 and .308, see #11.
11. To go to the link, click on the below link on #12.
12. http://www.snipercountry.com/a...es/accuracyfacts.asp

There ya go, 12 reasons!

1. Less recoil depends on bullet weight and charge weight.
2. How does a 3/4 inch longer case make the barrel vibrate more?
3. What is barrel rise? Recoil? Covered that.
4. Someone already corrected you.
5,6,7. Uniform ignition? Isn't that correct primer selection? Longer shell makes powder ignite worse?
8-12. I see where you got your "facts".

Most of the article is opinion and doesn't compare the same rifle or the same efforts in accurizing the rifles. As I currently know High Power shooters shooting .30-06, .308, and .223 I can verify that shooter proficiency has more of an affect on scores than caliber. Theoretically the .308 has a stiffer action in a bolt gun but when placed in a flimsy human body rest the potential is negated.

Although scenerios like this are interesting to see the various replies and to be amazed at the paranoia of some folks, they are usually forums that enable the posters to display their esotheric knowledge of obscure cartridges.


They are usually asked byh the folks that want to stockpile "stuff" and then defend it from their fellow citizens after our country fails. BUT won't get off their asses and vote and participate in the processes that will keep our country from failing.

If you go along a street, breaking into houses, you will find .22 ammo in more of them than anything else. Probably more of it than all the other cartridges combined. A Ruger 10/22 (with a low power scope) and a mark II pistol will give you all the fire power you need. For survival hunting and defense. I've never seen anyone shot with a .22 that didn't immediately consider medical attention. Don't forget that you are dealing with rabble here, not organized military groups. (if you don't like the Rugers, pick your own weapons. I've just used those two for many years without any failures to fire or function) A brick of 500 rounds only weights a couple of pounds and both the rifle and the pistol are light weight. And (I think) they offer extended magazines for the rifle.

As far as shooting "a bad guy" at 700 yards, that's too funny to consider. Are you going to be wasting your good ammo --and advertizing the location of your bunker-- by keeping in practice or do you think owning a xxxx automatically give you marksmanship capacities?

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4. Shorter/fatter case allows more uniform burning.
5. More uniform ignition.
6. Uniform ignition allows better throat grab (bullet)

Sam. There are the reasons that matter. These are why you don't see benchrest matches being won by the .222 anymore. It can't compete with the short fat powder column of something like a .220 Waldog.

wasbeeman, the .22 certainly has it's place as an urban survival rifle. It's just right for picking off the geese on the golf course.

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1. Less recoil depends on bullet weight and charge weight.
2. How does a 3/4 inch longer case make the barrel vibrate more?
3. What is barrel rise? Recoil? Covered that.
4. Someone already corrected you.
5,6,7. Uniform ignition? Isn't that correct primer selection? Longer shell makes powder ignite worse?
8-12. I see where you got your "facts".

Most of the article is opinion and doesn't compare the same rifle or the same efforts in accurizing the rifles. As I currently know High Power shooters shooting .30-06, .308, and .223 I can verify that shooter proficiency has more of an affect on scores than caliber. Theoretically the .308 has a stiffer action in a bolt gun but when placed in a flimsy human body rest the potential is negated.[/QUOTE]

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I'm not going to get in a pissing match with anyone about this! It seems that regardless of the facts, there is always some pinhead that wants to go against the grain or established facts. The .308 or 7.62X51 NATO is perhaps the most studied cartridge based on it's incredible performance. All of these studies, comparisons, research and data can be found right here on the web. The military has a 766 page "7.61X52" research document with research data contributed by world champion match shooters around the world a long with hundreds of field tests done through-out the years. The accuracy phenomenon behind the .308 has been studied and researched to death. The data from these tests has been debated based on mathematical contradictions and flow testing.

With that said, I'm here at this forum to give what I know and learn what I don't. And if I don't know something I keep my trap shut and research the information the best I can to verify what is being advised and/or said. If I'm giving my advice, it's not based on what I heard or an op/ed article in come shoot your load magazine but rather information I have extensive research in or information that is "standard knowledge". To make a statement like "less recoil depends on bullet and charge weight" or "how does a 3/4" longer case make a barrel vibrate more"? These statements and/or questions are challenges to established facts. In addition if you think for one second that less recoil is based only on charge and bullet weight, or that case length has no effect on barrel vibration or "pitch resonating frequencies", you are dead wrong and I would recommend that more research would do you well and make your argument (s) more debatable. In addition, "the article is mainly opinion". This statement is so absurd I just about fell out of my chair. If it were read correctly and understood as written. The reader will be directed to many FACTS that can be researched for verification. Such as target size changes etc.,

I don't mean to demean anyone, but for Pete sakes, let's get the facts right, read and understand what people are talking about and respond coherently!

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Bartsche,

Although what you say is entirely true, you miss the point: "Not__infringed" is a gung-ho killer of men and never misses an episode of "24". He will singlehandedly save Democracy from the clutches of the European Single Currency and some guy name Al Kinda. He's a little bit confused about the difference in a 7.62x39, a .308 Winchester, and an old rimmed Russian round for the Moisin-Nagant, but once he gets straightened out, he'll be killin Commies hiding behind rocks from three miles distance. Right now he needs to know if he can supply himself with ammunition from that captured from the Commies he kills. So don't be lecturing him about the difference in shooting a whitetail and a moose.

The Bible says: "It rains on the and the just."

Stonecreek will understand.

If I'm wrong then explain it. I'm not starting a pissing contest either.

1. Less recoil depends on bullet weight and charge weight. Recoil is a function of gun weight, bullet velocity, bullet weight, and charge weight(exhaust gas). So the .308 will have less recoil due to powder charge, given equal weight and velocity. To me saying that the .308 has less recoil as a blanket statement is an over generalization.
2. How does a 3/4 inch longer case make the barrel vibrate more? That was a question,in hind sight this makes sense longer chamber shorter bore, different harmonic.
4. I took that to mean the .308 was fatter than the .30-06. In general, yes short fat powder column burns faster.
5.I assume that means the bullet engages the rifling with less smearing and deformation.

I could be wrong on disagreeing with the article but I shoot against people that shoot all three calibers, you can't look at their score and say what gun they shot it with. To compare an 03A3 Springfield to a 60's Remington 700 to a current production weapons system and related ammunition refinements by generation is not a level comparison.

There is way more 308 shoot at paper then 06.

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Originally posted by Sam:
If I'm wrong then explain it. I'm not starting a pissing contest either.

1. Less recoil depends on bullet weight and charge weight. Recoil is a function of gun weight, bullet velocity, bullet weight, and charge weight(exhaust gas). So the .308 will have less recoil due to powder charge, given equal weight and velocity. To me saying that the .308 has less recoil as a blanket statement is an over generalization.
2. How does a 3/4 inch longer case make the barrel vibrate more? That was a question,in hind sight this makes sense longer chamber shorter bore, different harmonic.
4. I took that to mean the .308 was fatter than the .30-06. In general, yes short fat powder column burns faster.
5.I assume that means the bullet engages the rifling with less smearing and deformation.

I could be wrong on disagreeing with the article but I shoot against people that shoot all three calibers, you can't look at their score and say what gun they shot it with. To compare an 03A3 Springfield to a 60's Remington 700 to a current production weapons system and related ammunition refinements by generation is not a level comparison.

First off this thread is way off in center field somewhere where it doesn't belong. Not_Infringed asked for help with some very simple and basic questions regarding the 2 calibers. When I arrived I gave him my knowledge and advice. If you go back and look at my original reply, you will see what I offered. Now here we go once again turning a simple question into challenges. I noticed you made some changes to your original challenge with "gun weight", "harmonics" and "burn column". Now you are getting somewhere but you need to spend some time with these attributes to understand how they can physically effect (int.,) ballistics and components. Have you ever seen the recoil and force pattern of a .308 firing a 180 grain bullet in super slow motion? Well it just so happens I have! And if you have, you would understand that there are many factors that effect recoil and the reverse force it creates, i.e,; we learned that a 3 pound trigger pull produced less recoil than a 6 oz trigger. Why, not exactly sure but we believe it is due to the fact that the harder pull of the heavy trigger forced a stronger grip on the gun which of course reduced the recoil. now would you like to talk about our tests with the 06, perhaps angular recoil vs. level recoil or maybe how the weight of the shooter distributed over the guns balance point can effect recoil. Where does it stop? And by the way, bullet velocity has nothing to do with recoil force (an equal and opposite effect). This is what I mean, don't say goofy things until you verify what you are talking about! that would be like saying a .223 kicks harder than a .416 Rigby because it has more velocity. Are you starting to catch my drift? And to that end, the article in comparable data is irrelevant based on current follow-up studies that provide the same data. Have you seen them, read them and I'm sure you friends at the range engaging in matches are bright and have a lot to share but it doesn't compare to years of testing and sweating at the Yuma proving grounds testing hundreds of theories, guns, ammunition, components,etc., etc,. I've got to many years (36 to be exact) in working with guns on a daily bases to get involved with this banter. I haven't done this much explaining since I came home from my bachelors party 2 days late! So here is another "blanket" statement for you. However, be advised that it does carry about 119 military and civilian tests, years of analysis based on those tests, 58 years of effective engagement, unmatched competitive history to its challenger (30-06), etc., etc,. The .308 is more accurate (in fact 2.3 times to be exact) than the 30-06 using the same components or as shown in a "side by side" all things the same evaluation. In addition, the velocity curve is an entire different issue. However for all practical purposes and specially for the purpose the thread author requested information on, the .308 is so close to the 30-06 in velocity when all things are the same, it really won't make a big difference in the field.

Now, prove me wrong. It's your turn...

Thanks for taking some of your time to explain a little. The .308/.30-06 threads seem to veer of into these threads. I did over simplify my original answers to your 12 points. If I may ask one more question on recoil and velocity since you went in an opposite direction on calibers. As I posted "So the .308 will have less recoil due to powder charge, given equal weight and velocity." I agree that a .223 has less recoil than a .416 because the .416 bullet weighs considerably more and understand how position and grip change recoil by changing how the body reacts to and absorbs recoil ( more of the "shooters mass" becomes "gun mass"). My question is, doesn't recoil increase in a gun as the velocity (or weight, asuming the other varaible remains constant) of the bullet increases? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

As for proving you wrong, I agree with what you are saying and have learned a little in the last two days. As posted on the OP's other thread for this question; ".30-06 vs .308 is a Ford Chevy arguement. Or more for the thread a Remington vs Savage arguement.

From a purly reloading stand point the .308 uses a little less powder. As far as accuracy goes the gun is more of a factor than the round. From a balistics side the .308 is a little slower, not much 100-150 fps, and has a little lighter max bullet weight. For me the choice was made when I picked up a used Savage and said the only thing wrong with it was it was a .30-06 not a .308.

For your questions, Bambi/Ivan will never know the difference. Why care about his AK and ammo? You have a superior weapon. If you pick up the AK throw it away when it's empty. For the Savage/Remington arguement, Savage is better out of the box, Remington has more aftermarket parts and a better aftermarket trigger."

I stand corrected on the statement: "As far as accuracy goes the gun is more of a factor than the round."

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My question is, doesn't recoil increase in a gun as the velocity (or weight, asuming the other varaible remains constant) of the bullet increases? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Let's leave velocity out of this (for a moment), it doesn't belong in this conversation because it is "external" ballistics and we are talking about recoil which is based on the principles of interior ballistics. So with that said and within the context of internal ballistics, velocity becomes "force" which is created by the propellant. Weight of the bullet is the "mass". Simply said but here is a 180. Velocity applies only immediately after being fired and before exiting the barrel. Still called "force" it is here where you can calculate return or opposite reaction. Or to go even further "counter reactive energy". Still within the confines of the gun, we are still talking internal ballistics. So with this, you can actually calculate how much opposite force or recoil based on a few simple inputs.

Here is the formula: Mf X Vf = Mp X Vp

Mf is the mass or weight of the rifle or gun.
Vf is the immediate velocity of the rifle or firearm. (opposite/opposing)
Mp is the mass or weight of the bullet or projectile.
Vp is the immediate velocity of the bullet or projectile.

There are other formulas in physics that can allow an energy conversion in foot pounds (non-kinetic) based on Newtons second law of motion: time based on derivative of linear momentum.

I think you are getting the point here and based on all that's been said and done and to answer your question in a manner easily understood and most importantly based on facts, math and proven theories,: Yes

Now that we know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, I think that for Joe Average Shooter with equally set up 700s, he would be hard pressed to determine which one was more accurate, especially shooting from field positions. And when the Bandit Warriors of Raydon attack your bunker to take your goods and carry off your women, either one would work.

Thanks.