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skip the 284 its almost a 280 .. if you want modest recoil and a wicked 7mm, order a fast twist .284 barrel, with a long throated 7mm remmag.. and load it with 150gr TSX, low pressure loads, and have the recoil of a 280 AI, loaded with rel25 .. get 3000fps with a WICKED bullet opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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OK, I forgot about those old guns being weaker and loadings and load data being geared for them, so comparing data for standard vs Ackley IS comparing apples to oranges, pressure wise. I still like my .257 Ackley, it's my favorite medium size game rifle. I've taken a pile of critters with it, from prairie dogs to elk. And if I ever draw another sheep tag, that's the rifle I'll be carrying. If I had to do it over again, I'd probably build another one. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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I cannot answer for you but I have done what you are doing. I have used a .280 Rem in a Model 70 featherweight, push feed with a 2.5x8 Leupold shooting 150 gr Noslers. I have taken 4 elk, 5 mule deer, 4 antelope, 1 kudu, 1 oryx and several other African animals. The longest shot was 491 yds on antelope and 256 on elk. All were very dead. I have also done this with a .300 WM in standard Model 70 shooting 180 gr TSX bullets and 3.5x10 Leupold scope. Shot the same numbers of animals but had a Dall sheep as well. Longest shot was 240 yds. All dead. Shoot what you like, no preference on action, like a heavier gun (that's personal) for "steadiness" purposes. Use a rest and have fun. | |||
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Sid All of these guys that are providing suggestions are wonderful guys who have done considerable hunting and shooting throughout the years, and have owned many rifles throughout the years. They know what they are talking about. But they all have a severe disease for rifles. And for that reason you should not listen to them.  They are well aware that the key to making long shots is more than just caliber. They know its also the considerable practice you put into making those kinds of shots, as well as being able to judge the wind speed and distance. They also know heavier bullets do better in the wind on a mountaintop. If I were ever to have the privilege of planning a goat and sheep hunt, and knowing from experience what a bitch it is to carry a heavy rifle after a long day on a mountain, I would head to my local gunshop and purchase a lightweight (5 pounds) Kimber 84M (Montana) in .338 Federal, mount a lightweight scope, attach a lightweight sling, load up some 180 grain Accubonds, practice shooting at long distances, and go hunting. | |||
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Great hardware will never make up for poor shooter skill. A skilled shooter can use inferior equipment with good results. In my case, a lot of air rifle time and 22lr use will precede any expensive hunting trip. Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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These are separate issues, and should not be confused. I learned some of what little I know about rifles and shooting from a man who was a world champion at Bisley and several other shooters in his class....which, btw, I am not. These men were working wilderness professionals in BC from early in the 20thC. onward, most of them shot a number and variety of big animals that would amaze contemporary hunters. They ALWAYS used the finest gear that they could obtain and so do I, even a great shooter/hunter can be incapacitated by inferior equipment...and, I have witnessed and experienced this several times. So, the rifle-cartridge-sights choice is ONE issue and practice and shooting skill is a related, but, different one. The best practice comes from shooting your hunting rifle in field positions at 200, 300 and so forth and as often as you can. .22s help and I gotta dig mine out and get them going more often. | |||
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This is an interesting thread. I am in the process of putting together a "do-all" rifle similar to what the Sid is striving for, and I am using the Blaser R-93 platform. My caliber choice is 270 Wby. | |||
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As Jim Carmicheal said "there is no shortage of all purpose rifles - but where are all the all -purpose hunters ..?" something to that effect. I like dogcat and 22WRF posts as well. | |||
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Yes, you always need a servicable firearm. "Fine" ones break occasionally too. Regarding training with a hunting rifle ..... Once a week with your hunting rifle OR once a week with your hunting rifle and a little practice everyday before and after work with an air rifle or 22lr? Air rifles are great for improving your shooting technique because they do NOT hide any technique deficienies. Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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Myself, I think there is quite a difference between "fine" as in pretty and "fine" as in serviceable. IE: 18lines per inch of checkering is serviceable; 24per inch is pretty. And the finer checkering does little to help you grip the rifle with a cold, wet hand.  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I have rifles in my safes that have been used in Africa and over much of western and northern Canada and are 70+ years old. These still shoot sub-moa and they are reliable in ANY weather and terrain.....one is my Oberndorf Type B sporter in 9.3x62, made in 1937. This is what I meant by the term "fine" and my 35 yr. old Zeiss "Nato" bino, heavily used to make my living as well as for recreation, is another such example. Frankly, "price point" gear often fails in BC hunting conditions, while the best quality items are built to work in harsh weather and rough country...and, IME, are worth the cost for that single reason. On really good wood, 24 lpi checkering will often last longer than coarser work as the diamonds do not flake off so easily if struck on an oblique angle. I now use almost all synthetics, so, am not concerned about this. It is all relevant to your uses, but, for what the original query concerned, I would go "carriage trade" and not skimp and subsequently regret it. However, if a guy wants a Stevens 200 in some obscure round, hey, who am I to disagree. | |||
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When it comes to practicing alternate shooting positions, a good Mil-surplus rifle with cheap ammo is hard to beat. My favorite for this is my M27 Finish Mosin. It's a great shooting rifle, and is cheap to shoot. It allows you to practice with a full power rifle, with out breaking the bank. Of course you should still practice with your hunting rifle, but I think most of would appreciate more inexpensive, realistic trigger time. | |||
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I agree but I think I would put the plastic stock on the Stevens, not a well made, traditional weapon. But that's just me. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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now that is beautiful! and in my favorite caliber to boot. Heres my take on it. Shots may run long and it would eliminate the short action rounds in my book. Im not a fan of the 270 but thats just a mental thing more then a performance thing. If it were me building it it would be one of three. A 2506,280 or an o6..
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Their reasoning may be that the 284 can be had in a short action, it is also significantly more powerful than a 7x57 and 7-08 and not quite the equal to the 7 mags. My son has a .284 in a old Ruger M77 Flat Bolt he is shooting 130 grain Speers for Deer and Antelope the 22" barrel gets 3125 fps. This would make a great Sheep and Goat rifle/load. Whatever cartridge you choose get to know your rifle and loads and exactly where it shoots in real life (not what the book says). Familiarity with your rifle and loads will trump cartridge selection every time. | |||
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My vote would be for an out-of-the-box Mark V Ultra-Lightweight (5 3/4 lbs) in .280 Rem topped with a lightweight scope. I have the UL only in 25-'06 and it is a tack-driving joy to shoot and carry. Founder....the OTPG | |||
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I'm curious what makes the Weatherby UL MK-V worth so much money? Granted, at 5 3/4 lbs it's a really lightweight stick. Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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I'm guessing the name and the fact that people keep paying what they ask for them. The fluted Kreiger barrel will run around $425 and the B&C stock maybe $250. Add in the action, trigger, labor and mark-up. Dunn if it's worth the pricetag or no. I do know my 25-Oh shoots like a house on fire. Founder....the OTPG | |||
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Aren't the Weatherby's using the Kriger Criterion button rifled barrels, not their cut rifled barrels? Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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That, I do not know. Couldn't give you an honest answer. Founder....the OTPG | |||
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On the Weatherby website, only the Accumarks are listed as using a button rifled barrel. That tells me the rest of the barrels are hammer forged. | |||
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I have a winchester m70 24" 270 that I have been shooting for years. 56.6 Grains of H4831SC, rem91/2 primer pushes a 150 grain Nosler BT to 2950 fps and will put 5 shots under a dime at 100 yards. The 150 gr. BT has accounted for numerous 1 shot kills and drops them in their tracks. That being said, the 280 AI is capable of the exact same performance with a 100+ fps boost. Considering this game selection I would not sway from the Nosler solid base Boat tail ballistic tip. The problems some have had with the BT is they use the smaller sectional density variety which lacks bone crushing penetration. The new CT with thicker walls may improve the lighter bullet performance but I don't see the need with the 150's. I have hit deer shoulder and the results were extraordinary. Shattered scapula and massive exit wound on opposite shoulder so they are stout enough for Ram IMO. Captain Finlander | |||
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