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I have taken the task of converting all my big game rifle loads to lead free.....a decision I made after discovering the damage bullets containing lead can have on raptors and even humans as well. While there's quite a few monometal bullets to choose from in most common calibers, the selection in 9.3 mm leaves me wanting..... specifically a lighter bullet than the 250 grain bullets commonly availability. Quite frankly the 250 grain loads in front of 60.5 grains of varget is quite punishing to my 72 year old shoulder.....(the rest of me is not nearly that old) and I wanted something more like a 225 grain load.....so out to the old engine lathe I went and I machined off the entire boattail of the 250 grainers.....I then hand filed a new boattail and walla.....the new bullets look like this: Shown with alternating weights....250, 225, etc. I'm heading to the range to send them into the wind now so will get back with the results.....  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | ||
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That's a whole lot of work to make a bullet! | |||
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actually it's not.....it takes about two minutes each.....a lifetime supply in a couple hours or so /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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be sure to keep us posted about results. keep it up young man! | |||
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I admire your motives. If I could get monos to work better in my rifles I'd use them more. | |||
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have a .30-06 M-70 featherweight.....SLIGHTLY MODIFIED...that shot 180 grain accubonds extremely well.....so I decided to try 168 grain Barne TTSX.....and wow it shoots them extremely well too. It seems that if one's gun shoots anything very well the chances are good that it will also shoot lead free bullets well too.....now let me find some wood to knock on!!!     /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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most common way to make them work is to RTFM for seating -- start at -0.065 and go BACK, per Barnes -- which works for me, almost everytime opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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So you have fallen for the un-scientific studies pushed by the anti's. That greatly over state the lead problems cause by hunting bullet's. The whole anti lead for hunting movement is total run the anti hunting and anti firearms people. | |||
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Look at who is funding and promoting these studies. Look promoting the lead bans. Look who is authoring the books. You well find a huge anti hunting and anti firearms base. | |||
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Vapo, I have always enjoyed your tagline, but now you’ve embarrassed yourself—-in writing ! | |||
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http://horsesidevetguide.com/S...th+Lead+Free+Bullets I know these people personally.....and these people don't lie!!!!! The danger to humans isn't as great as it could be.....but it definitely kills raptors and definitely does get into the blood stream of humans to a degree.....I won't feed this meat to grandkids anymore.....it's PROVEN fact! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Yes lead is dangerous if you can't take precations when buthering that is on you. The question should be how many birds are actual killed. The raptor population is growing. The eagles are at a all time high and continuing growing. The anti lead movement is an anti hunting and anti firearm movement. | |||
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I'll just say this, whether you believe it or not, with so many states moving towards banning lead, it is prudent to plan ahead and build a gun that will shoot longer for weight bullets such as the monometals. I always advised my customers to select the fastest twist we could get, just in case. Hell, even non lead free bullets are getting so long that many fail to stabilize in a rifle with a traditional or standard twist rate. The lead issue aside, I admire the determination and thinking that went into making a bullet for yourself that wasn't commercially available. Self reliance, the AMERICAN way! Kudos.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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except for the part where he bought the bullet at the store. lead is inert. it's gotta be ingested and in oxidized form to be a problem. you know like when it was burned in gasoline. | |||
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Wow, a tough crowd. Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Or simply just shoot a slightly lighter bullet. I have no quarrel with hunting elk with a 165 grain Barnes compared to a 180 grain accubond.....and from personal experience a .30 caliber bullet of 180 grains in a .30-06 or .300 magnum will kill elk just fine. I wouldn't hesitate to go so far as shoot a 150 grain Barnes.....(I like the TTSX) If one wants he can still shoot a 180 grain TTSX in his .30 cal but I have been advised by many shooters on this and other sites that a slightly lighter bullet (and slightly faster) is preferable. Since I have this 9.3 X 62 sitting here, I've decided to use it this fall for elk.....not that it's needed....but it's still a virgin. So out to the range and get a shoulder full of OOOOMPH....Back to midwayusa and see that there is nothing lighter in lead free in 9.3 caliber.....so to the engine lathe and make them myself.....and I posted it here such that if anyone has a desire to do so they might simply just do it.....but I haven't fired them yet.....if it warms a bit more I will do so this afternoon. Folks...this is not the political forum....if you wish to debate the politics of the issue please take it there.....sorry I can't join you as I've been banned from that forum.....seems I'm much too conservative for some there. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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So, do you feel the same way about leaded gas? Perhaps in your case lead-free gas wasn't made mandatory soon enough. Lead does poison birds due to the fact that it is ground up into fine particles in the crop/gizzard. Humans don't have that issue so lead poisoning due to eating the occasional lead pellet or bullet fragment is far less likely in humans. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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Lead does poison birds due to the fact that it is ground up into fine particles in the crop/gizzard. Humans don't have that issue so lead poisoning due to eating the occasional lead pellet or bullet fragment is far less likely in humans. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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In fact the tinfoilish gum wrappers have done more damage to the Vultures than lead shot. I have to disagree with the whole lead shot thing..I lasted a long time eating cup and core shot wildlife...I have a lot of respect for Vapodog but have to respectfully disagree with him on this one. In a year or two they will find a reason for bronze and copper to be deadly to the sperm whale and Hummingbirds.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray....learn to read! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I finally got to the range and fired a five shot group The first shot was a called flyer....off from the main group two inches....but the next four went to a group slightly over an inch.....I was delighted. Note that the weights of the bullets varied from 224 to 227 grains as I wasn't very fussy about measuring them but it didn't seem to make a difference. I did not increase the powder for the reduced weight of the bullets. as velocity wasn't at all my goal.....BTW...the load of 61.5 grains of varget comes from Mule Deer (JB) on the campfire.....I will also say that I'd be quite reluctant to use it with anything other than the very fine Hornady brass.....Hornady brass has quite a bit more powder capacity than European brass, and that should result in somewhat lower pressures. My '98 Mauser showed no signs whatever of excess pressure. Now to do more experimenting with this gun and modified bullets. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Shit, I go away for a few months, then come back to a political shit storm. I have a 9.3 x 66. it is everything the 9.3 x 62 should have been. McGowan makes 9.3 barrels with a 1:10 twist rate. An uber, mono metal bullet of 250-grains will do anything you could want, and will work in a 1:12 twist rate barrel without issue. We shoot lead bullets in Idaho. We are overrun with raptors. Wolves, too. Illegal Aliens, too.  | |||
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Sounds like plan is coming together | |||
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possibly....but one should not confuse a plan wth dumb luck....The recoil reduction was noticeable but barely. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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So Vapo, I'm confused on your thread. Do you have a 9.3x66 or 9.3x62? | |||
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It's a 9.3 X 62....I just noticed the typo error in the title and changed it. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Thanks Vapo! When I read your title thread, I thought maybe you had a '66. Wayne at AHR converted a '62 to '66 for me when I found a ton of ammo on the net at $30/box! Bought all four loads: SAF, NP, TSX & Barnes BS. I really like it, but have not taken any game with it yet. Congrats on your '62! | |||
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Nonsense, lead is toxic. | |||
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Vapo, Can you fire your own modified bullets at 300 yards and compare boat tails? Recommend a muzzle brake. | |||
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I think the way to do that would be to calculate a new BC for the 225 grain loads. I use two shooting ranges and the one available to me now is only 100 yards......the other one is in a canyon and is hard to get to in winter months....it's 450 yards. For now I can only guess that the loss of 10% of bullet weight won't make a lot of dfference in BC.....but it probably will deteriorate some. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I have been messing with the Lapua Naturalis 220gr 'LR'. Accuracy is not as good as heavier bullets but 58gr Varget gives me 2550fps from a 20.5" barrel. I have yet to try them on game. | |||
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In college I studied the study where they determined that lead killed waterfowl.They had penned ducks they feed them 8-10 pounds a day of lead shot till it killed them .They determined that lead would kill all the ducks everywhere eventually so the banned lead for waterfowl hunting .This is how that bunch works .The wild ducks might get one or two shot a month which will do nothing to them .Windmills lol more waterfowl and eagles than anything but they are a democrat idea so they are no a bad idea to them .I read the study of how many waterfowl died from.being wounded by steel shot that replaced the lead .It said hawks bad eagles are all the wounded ducks so that saved them bad it was a democrat idea so it was a good one .That's how they think.There are way too many predators bad demirats in this country so if we get them to thinking it's a good idea to dance closely windmill blades while eating lead it will make them healthier ! | |||
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I’d be interested to see how the modified bullet performs without filing the boat tail. If ballistics aren’t affected by an appreciable amount, it would simplify the process somewhat, maybe tighten the weight delta. Just thinking out loud. I really enjoy the concept. Good work! Now I wish I had a lathe. Sent from my iPhone | |||
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Boat tails are not the panacea some think they are.....one must still know the bullet trajectory and the distance to the animal.....the fact they may retain a bit more energy down range is moot as the 9.3 X 62 has more than enough and can easily afford to lose a bit of it.....actually to machine off the secondary boattail would further reduce the weight to maybe 210 grains.....and that's a lot closer to what I'd like..... Thanks for the suggestion.....I'll try that. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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GS Custom Bullets makes their HV hunting bullet in 195 grain for the 9.3s. Might be worth a try. | |||
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I machined a five shot sample by totally removing the boat tail and then some....average weight of the newly modified bullets was 190 grains.....so I added one grain of varget to the load....now 61.5 grains....and off to the range.....WOW.....three of them in one ragged hole....one left and hgh about 3/4 inch from the first three and the last one low and right creating a total group size of roughly 1.5 inches.....I do indeed consider this elkworthy..... Now to make a collet for the milling machine to clamp in a uniform manner the .366 dia bullets but with a stop built in to control the weight fairly precisely. It should also (believe it or not) improve the perpendicularity of the base of the bullet to the centerline.....something that just might also improve accuracy. OOOOHHH....and the best of all....the recoil is now much more manageable than the original 250 grain bullets. I also need to chronograph the bullets and test fire to 400 yards....but that's for this spring sometime.  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Good firing Dog!  | |||
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Where do I get them?....I couldn't find anyone that sells them /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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