I am in search of a truly consistenly accurate rifle , one the will shot .5 at 100yrds if i do my part, and do it all day long. I am a hand loader but i am talking factory ammo also. Iam talking 300Wm or WSM
Old Timer

Most accurate rifles out of the box I ever owned have been Savages.

Sako or Tikka would be my chouce fo the most accurate out of the box.
Dr B

I own a bunch of factory rifles that I consider accurate, only a cz527 in 223 will constantly shoot under .5".. I own several name brand custom rifles none over .257 will constantly shoot sub .5" groups. maybe you will be more lucky than I have been.

Well it may not be pretty but I assure you a Win M70 with a BOSS on it will do what you ask. My brother has several Win and Brownings with BOSS's from 22/250 to .375 H&H and I have a M70 in .338 with the BOSS and all of these guns really shoot. My .338 with Federal factory 225 grain bullets has turned in a 3 shot .264" group and consistently produces groups just above .5", I must admit though that it has shot many groups in the .6" to .75" range though but I think it is just me. If you got yourself a 300 with a BOSS I am absolutely positive you can get it to shoot .5" regularly without doing any bedding or floating, just learn your adjustments on the BOSS.
PS: I hated the muzzle brake portion of the BOSS on my .338 ( way too loud for hunting) so I got a "CR" for it which cancels the brake but still lets you use the BOSS as an accuracy tool.

Savage for the most consistently accurate.

But do you high quality also.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Savage for the most consistently accurate.

But do you high quality also.

Ditto the Savage.

Yep, buy the varmint/LE model Savages and if you can shoot it, it can do it.

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Originally posted by OldTimer:
I am in search of a truly consistenly accurate rifle , one the will shot .5 at 100yrds if i do my part, and do it all day long.

I certainly understand your desire for such a rifle, but I also think it is rather optimistic. Do you think such a rifle exists which is a factory out of the box rifle, that will do handloads a factory the same?

Doc and everyone thanks for your replys
I have had in the past a tikka which would shoot .5 or better if i did my job, but the quality was poor the bluing was so thin that if rusted the first time i hunter with it the company toot it back and sent me another but this one had a stock finish problem it begain pealing off when subjected to a small amount ot rain, the company said it must have been a process left out then sent me a stainless with a lam stock but the saftey would not stay on so it too went back now i have another ss 300wsm with a lam stock and it is stubborn to shoot under 1.75 or so at 100yds so i am thinking tikka is not the way to go but where do i turn i live on a small amount of income and all crippled up so my earning potential is really limited.
Old Timer

See if you can track down a Sendero. Don't think I've ever seen one that won't shoot.

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Originally posted by OldTimer:
I am in search of a truly consistenly accurate rifle , one the will shot .5 at 100yrds if i do my part, and do it all day long. I am a hand loader but i am talking factory ammo also. Iam talking 300Wm or WSM
Old Timer

You are subject to Internet accuracy inflation! In these days of Internet chat rooms, nobody with respect for themselves would be seen with a big game rifle shooting anything but the fabled ".5 moa" - naturally all the way to 1000 yds, with factory ammo and weighing, oh, about 6.5 lbs with a scope and a sling...

It is a numbers game, and you are playing along. Are you actually sure your shooting (let alone the gun or the ammo) would live up to ".5 @ 100 yrds all day long"?? Doing so with a .300 (of whatever flavour) is not going to make your quest any easier.

Good luck.

- mike

Savages are really accurate. Rem 700s are too after you bed them. I have never had a problem getting them to shoot; the adj trigger helps a bunch here.

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Originally posted by OldTimer:
Doc and everyone thanks for your replys
I have had in the past a tikka which would shoot .5 or better if i did my job, but the quality was poor the bluing was so thin that if rusted the first time i hunter with it the company toot it back and sent me another but this one had a stock finish problem it begain pealing off when subjected to a small amount ot rain, the company said it must have been a process left out then sent me a stainless with a lam stock but the saftey would not stay on so it too went back now i have another ss 300wsm with a lam stock and it is stubborn to shoot under 1.75 or so at 100yds so i am thinking tikka is not the way to go but where do i turn i live on a small amount of income and all crippled up so my earning potential is really limited.
Old Timer

Once again, the answer is plain as day....SAVAGE!

It wasn't that long ago that a 1 inch rifle was the holy grail. Now people are talking .5 rifles. I have 2 both savage varmint rifles that shot under .5 when they don't it is more me then the rifles.

From what I seen they savages just plain shoot. What they have done in the past 10 years I don't know but in the accurecy dept they did it right.

Now if they would work on the feeding and extractors they could be a great rifle.

But I would not have one as a big game gun to many miss feeds and extractor troubles for me.

I have 1 of these & they are really accurate mine averages .75 for 3 shots of handloads & this 1 will close for under $1,000.00. They have kreiger barrels

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?ItemNum=7350176

Remington!

Cooper, but you'll have to get a deal to get it under a grand.

Just happen to have a Savage Tacticalin 300 WSM that I shot Tuesday. Did some scope squaring this winter and had to check zero. First shot - adj scope- next five grouped 3/8".

This is with Sierra 175 Matchking handloads.

If heavy barrels are acceptable then the Savage has my vote too. If you want a sporter class rifle, the only one I have personal knowledge of and shot that well in every case has been a Sauer 200 or 202. You can still get a used 200 for under a grand.

But you only get two into .5, the third and every one thereafter go into about an inch. But the first two touch every time. And in a hunting rifle, two is usually all you get off on an animal still enough for degrees of MOA to matter.

I never owned a sporter weight Savage nor been around many but every wood-stocked Remington sporter that shot that well that I know of was tweaked to some degree or other. Usually free floating the barrel and glass bedding.

Savage,

CZ

then Remington


cheers
seafire

Sako,Tikka,Savage not necessarily in that order.

sbsmith

My Savage 111 in 300 Win Mag will do what you ask. I believe it cost $350 and I put an old Weaver that cost $70 on it with Weaver bases and Burris rings, another $30 or so. If my math is right that is under half of the grand.

I have other rifles that look and feel better but none that are as accurate.

I've had two heavy barrel savages, one in 220 swift, and the other in 22-250. Both would easily average under .5 MOA. It's a small sample, granted, but it's much better than any other factory rifles I've found.

From my experience, I'd have to say a Remington Sendero would be a good candidate for your requirements. I own three Savages and while they are accurate, they don't hold a candle to the Remingtons I own. The Savages also have a terrible resale value but, if it's a shooter you probably wouldn't sell anyway.

You may also want to look into a custom. You can buy a used 700 cheap at a pawn shop. Sell the bbl and stock, buy a used HS stock and have Hart rebarrel and true it for you for around a grand.

Good Luck

Reloader

A mate of mine has a Kimber in 300WSM which consistantly shoots half inch groups with his hand loads. Whats more it looks as good as it shoots.
You can't say that about a Savage

Everything that Snellstrom said. With trigger lightening and set to the sweet spot my stainless BOSS equipped M70 in .270 shoots under .5" as does my A Bolt Stainless Stalker 30'06 without the BOSS. My stainless M70 with BOSS in 7mm Mag doesn't stabilize the 175 gr. bullets to that degree of accuracy at 100 yrds. but at 200 it will shoot about 1" consistantly. The .270 and 30'06 both have the standard, much maligned 'Tupperware' stocks. I've got other guns that shoot that well, but if I were betting on a gun to shoot that well sight unseen, I'd bet on a BOSS equipped gun. I'd buy another if I wanted one and buy it used if I had to get a caliber I wanted.Everyting

Thanks to All,
I was able to take my tikka back to the dealer with several examples of factory and handloads that would only group 1.75 and larger from a beach and a solid rest,this was my last tikka i have found their products quality lacking to say the least after owning 5 and returning all 5 for quality problems, i am so glad other have found their tikka's a find rifle, but for me NO more tikkas I have purchased a classic kimber and trust it will preform as expected, I realize that to get a .5 consistent shooting rifle out of a box is not reasonable. And you know at my age almost any rifle will out shoot me. I guess I am just not satified with mediocrity, I must strive for excellence.
Old Timer

I hate to sound redundant but here goes: SAVAGE

Now even better with their AccuTrigger.

I wish my Savage rifles had them.

If you know how to squeeze a trigger the Stevens Mod 200 may be a real surprise. It was for me. roger

For a heavy barreled varminter under a grand, a Savage is most likely not to disappoint, IMO.

For a sporter weight barrel, I think you would be hard pressed to find a more accurate rifle than a Sako/Tikka.

You could have either with good optics for under $1000.

Years ago Gun Digest published a graph of average accuracy versus caliber for the Remington M40X target rifles. The data was collected by Remington by shooting their rifles in a tunnel, and plotted for all calibers (cartridges) they chambered for.

Generally the average group size increased with cartridge size, with the .300 Magnums showing the largest groups, which were a bit over .5".

These are excellent target rifles with great triggers. I have owned two: a 6X47 benchrest rifle and a .308 Win across the course rifle.

jim

They are ugly but they will shoot, go get you a salvage and a good scope and you should be more than happy! I don't own one but everyone else I know seems to have at least one and they are doing very well. That Accutrigger help the rifles out a bunch. My little brother had a 223 with I think it was a 24" barrel, had it cut back to 20" and a new crown, and a Boyd's stock that we bed and floated the barrel and this thing will scare you off a good rest! anything from the 40gr. V-Max all the way to the 75gr. A-Max it will shoot! If I could get away from Mauser rifles I'd have me one for a 6.5-06 but hey it'll happen. Later,

Kirk

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I am in search of a truly consistenly accurate rifle , one the will shot .5 at 100yrds if i do my part, and do it all day long. I am a hand loader but i am talking factory ammo also.

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I certainly understand your desire for such a rifle, but I also think it is rather optimistic. Do you think such a rifle exists which is a factory out of the box rifle, that will do handloads a factory the same?

I agree.

I have a Remington M700 PSS in 223, bone stock factory rifle. It will shoot literally one hole groups (with factory Federal Gold Metal Match).

I have another M700 VS in 22-250 that will do the same, completely "as-issued" (again, with factory Federal ammo, this time their Premium line).

BUT.... as much as I like my Remingtons, I've got a whole bunch more that will shoot groups that vary from quite good to "acceptable".

Point being, that a blanket statement of "Buy X brand, it is the best" is just blowing wind.

If the ONLY rifle I owned was that PSS, I could be excused for thinking that they ALL must shoot like that. On the other hand, if I took one of my .75 - 1 MOA rifles as my lone example, it stands to reason that NO Remington will shoot better. Correct?

See my point? No matter what you buy, there are no guarantees that it will ALWAYS be a .5 MOA rifle, "all day long".

Savage!

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Originally posted by OldTimer:
...I have purchased a classic kimber ...

Well, how does it shoot?

For your standard hunting rifle, out of the box: Tikka, then Savage.

My Tikka T3 (.270) seems to be more accurate than the .300, 30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag Savages I have access to. And, the Savages are not bad at all. I would take a Savage over a Remington any day.

Every Tikka I have ever seen shot has been a Tack Driver right out of the box on factory ammo.

Great rifle for less then 500 bucks.

Life is to short to hunt with a ugly rifle.

So forget savage get a remingtion for $300-$400 then have a gun smith tune it up if it dosn't do what you want out of the box.
Dr B

If you realy want a tack driver you can buy a old Rem 700 for theaction and buil a custom rifle.
700 Action $250
Barrel installed
with action squared $400
Stock $200
Adjust triger $ 15

Total $865

I have had Kevin weaver do two rifles for me these are his prices. They are the most accurate rifles that I own.

.223 WSSM shoots under .3 moa all day with 40gr BT at 4400 fps.
257 STW shoot .5 moa with 100gr TSX at 3950 fps.
Kevin is working on a third rifle in 300wsm as we speak.

WEAVER RIFLES
16850 SAGE CREEK ROAD
PEYTON, COLO. 80831
719-683-3024
kevin@weaverrifles.com

http://www.weaverrifles.com/

Dr B