Is there a particular age of Rem action that is better than another for this purpose?

two rifles:

Savage .204 with accur-trigger-heavy barrel
100 yds---.35 inches (3 rds )

Rem 6mm- heavy barrel at 100 yds. .28 inches ( 3 rds )

Both are fitted with hi-power 6 X 18 inch scopes to do this work with my eyes.

The rifles are not beautiful, but they can shoot and it gives me great pleasure at the range to compare targets with the boys that have (target quality rifles ) .

Dak

dogcat
I like the older rem actions if they are in good shape. I have a 22-250 700 from the 1960's that Kevin Weaver is going to rebarrel in 20-250. I belive the older actins were made to closer tolerance's, and finshed better.
Dr B

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Originally posted by OldTimer:
...I have purchased a classic kimber ...

Well, how does it shoot?

HotCore,
I have not had a chance to go to the range yet but have been cleaning with JB paste great looking rifle ,
It's chamber is tighter than the t3 I had so pulling many loads and reloading, I will post the results when I go. Thank you all
Old Timer

Hey OldTimer, Best of luck with the new rifle. I hear a lot of good things about the Kimbers.

Most accurate rifles out of the box with no gunsmithing are TIKKA,TIKKA,TIKKA in that order. I shot a 3 shot group under an inch at 200 yards today with a 338 WM shooting Fed HE 225 TBBC's. My 300 WM will shoot the same , my 7mm will shoot the same and my 2 buddies 7mm's and 270's will shoot the same. I have owned all of the big makes and none of them would shoot this way out of the box. Easily adjustable trigger and your off to the range. Dont know what Old Timers story is on 5 bad Tikkas , I havent seen one that wont shoot just about anything you feed it. No handloading required. As to their durability, mine have been beat to hell and dont have one flaw to report.

Alaska,
I wish I knew what the problem was but 4 were just poor quality (all new from the factory)from split stocks to massive rust , finish on the hunter pealing off like clearcoat on your car a saftey that would not stay on safe and one i could not get to group under 1.5. I wanted to own one I would be proud of but that did not happen so NO more Tikkas for this old timer.
Old Timer

Mine are all T3 Lites S/S as are all the ones friends have bought.So couldn't tell you on the wood ones. I love them to death, thats a shame about the ones you got. Tikka guarantees a 3 shot group under an 1" and I havent seen one that wont do that at 100 yards.

old timer ask about mountain/eagle rifles made by magnum reserch,the new style are way to pricey...but the older style came with the pre 75 sako action mated with a cut rifled KRIEGER barrel, hs presion stock and they made em in 300 wmagnum, their still some used one''s about, lots of great comments here as usual,, haveing a rifle blueprinted is the way to go also custom barrels don''t have Great reputations for nothing,best of luck with your Kimber and keep us posted regards jjmp

Hot Core,
I finally got to the range with my Kimber classic 300wsm this is a used rifle that was traded in looks new I do not think I am going to get much tighter groups I shot five groups of three I believe perhaps I could get .75 - .50 but I wonder if that is really practical, It would seem that this Kimber is more consistant, the last tikka would shoot a .50 group then opne up to 1.75-2.5 with the very next group ?? but check these out from the used Kimber. Oh what do you think I could buy a new Kimber for $150.00 more, but I am not sure it would do any better?
I guess I do not know how to post a picture
68grs. N560 165 IB f210M with Winchester case trimed to 2.090 and crimped OAL 2.830 .78" three shot, 69grs. same bullet 1.12 69grs three shot group 1" 69.5grs same bullet 1.01" . Two shot group 69.5grs same bullet .012 It would seem that this rifle is ave with this load about .75 I think. Sorry about the pictures I have them but am unable to get them on the forum.
Old Timer

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...I shot five groups of three I believe perhaps I could get .75 - .50 but I wonder if that is really practical, ......N560 165 IB f210M with Winchester case trimed to 2.090 and crimped OAL 2.830 .78" three shot, 69grs. same bullet 1.12 69grs three shot group 1" 69.5grs same bullet 1.01" . Two shot group 69.5grs same bullet .012 It would seem that this rifle is ave with this load about .75 I think. ...

Hey Old Timer, Sure looks like you got a shooter to me, congratulations!

I completely understand what you mean about driving yourself crazy chasing every last bit of accuracy when you said, "but I wonder if that is really practical". I'm one of the folks that enjoy getting the groups as tiny as possible, but I also realize the wisdom of your statement.

Now you can pick that best load and have fun with it as is. Or adjust the Seating Depth a bit to Fine Tune it. Or even try other Powders if you want. But..., there is nothing at all wrong with the Loads you shot and they will kill anything worthwhile you come across - way out yonder.

Congratulations!

sako

I consider myself an average shot with a rifle. I reload and shoot about 1500-2000rnds a yr. My Remington 270win has taken Mule Deer beyond 500yds. Once, not again, there was just barely enough energy left to get the job done.

However, I recently bought a new SAVAGE 12FLV in 308win that hasn't had a thing done to it other than an SSS bolt. Farrel base and Leupold rings and scope. I managed a .16" 3 shot group last fall just after breaking the rifle in. As good as my Remingtons have shot, I think the SAVAGE wins hands down..........

I think the chances of finding a run of the mill production rifle chambered in .300 Winchester Magnum or .300 WSN that will shoot 1/2" groups "all day long" with factory ammo are quite limited. I don't doubt that many factory guns will fire occassional 1/2" groups, but finding a production grade rifle that will accomplish this task using factory ammo with boring regularity is quite rare.

I see a heck of a lot more 1/2 MOA rifles on the net than I see at public ranges and gun clubs. Perhaps internet shooters are all better shooters.

Hello,
You set a limit of 1000.00 or under and let me suggest you take a look at the Remington Model 700 PSS in 300 Win Mag. caliber. Ugly black gun, durable matte finish on metal, adjustable trigger, well shaped HS precision stock with full length alum. bedding block, and quite capable of the accuracy level you are looking for in the rifle.
You will need to break in the barrel for they are a bit on the rough side when new, but usually takes around 15-20 shots to accomplish this chore but well worth the little effort required. As for 1/2MOA accuracy, this will not be a problem for the rifle and the cartridge are well developed regarding proper loads, bullet weights, powder, brass, etc. It is a recognized military round and used for match purposes as well as other uses.

These rifles do not have the J lock, nor do they have the latest style trigger which I believe is a step down from the original triggers. The older Rem. 700's were OK, but had that rivited extractor as opposed to modern ones which are snapped in by the user with a little effort. I have used the Rem. for many a year now and replaced one extractor and after many thousands of rounds. Later on if you wish to customize into different profile, not a problem for there are many, many aftermarket items out there for the 700 and very few options for other mfg's.

From my experience, one can spend a great deal more money than the 700 PSS requires, but overall the return for the investment just is not there in terms of improved accuracy or overall suitability. Rifle will deliver 1/2MOA accuracy for more than 20 rounds in a row as required in long range prone matches. Does it get hot?? damn right it gets hot, but hangs in there nevertheless. Hunters will not need this ability, but nice to know it can do it.

Not difficult to carry, moderate weight even w/ 26" barrel, takes a hell of a beating in treatment, abuse, etc. and keeps on delivering top notch performance.

I assembled a pretty good rifle on the cheap.

Howaby Vanguard in 300 WBY clearanced at Wally-World for $299
Bell & Carlson Medalist stock $200
Nikon Buckmaster 4.5x14x40 SF for $249 + shipping
$50 for decent rings
$40 for M1907 sling

$875 or so. Consistantly shoots under an inch if I'm paying attention. Likes 180gr TSX bullets.

I don't know if that is as good as a Savage or Tikka out of the box, but once you start consistanly shooting an inch or less you are splitting hairs. The Howaby is a pretty good gun for the money.

ZM

I'm not sure you can get CONSISTENT .5" groups from anything but varmit rifles and calibers. The problem is the word "consistent" along with "out of the box." I haven't owned a savage (yet), but from the people I know that have them, I suspect they are it.

Having said that the most accurate rifles I've owned and shot (.6-.8 CONSISTENTLY - 7mag, .260 and .280) have all been Remington 700s that have been bedded to quality synthetic stocks (brown and High Tech).

I know guys that swear by Kimbers, but right now I've a friend that on a good day can keep 3 .260 rounds from his kimber in a 1# coffee can. The problem is consistency w/ Kimbers, Rugers, Browning, etc., even when they are rebedded.

If you want it to shoot well, without ever touching the gun, no modification, in real hunting calibers - Savage has the reputation.

My last 2 rifles have been Savages, both with sporter weight barrels. The .300 Ultra will shoot .5 MOA all day and the .270 WSM is a .25 MOA gun. Anything with a BOSS can also be very accurate.

Get a Howa

The three Savages I've owned all shoot right around a half inch, with a scope. I did have to find the right ammo for each but once found, the groups were really tight. Factory ammo only - I don't reload. .30-06, .270, 7MM Mag.

My Remington 700 rifles shoot very accurately.

If you're talking about .5 for FIVE shots with an out of the box factory rifle shooting store bought ammo, I think you're being pretty optimistic. Everyone that has shot much has a target with a small hole in it. But was their rifle able to do it time after time. Say everytime they sat down at the bench, their rifle laid say 9 out of ten groups into a hole that measured .5 or less? Or was it a lucky one of a kind go?
Every brand of rifle has its champions. My Remingtons have been very accurate but you are gonna have to tweek them a bit to get the best out of them. I'm not talking about any $500 blueprinting or such, I'm talking about bedding and a $50 trigger adjustment.
Even then, you ain't gonna get no .5's shooting acrost a rolled up jacket on the hood of a truck. You've got to have a pretty decent front rest and toe bag, a solid bench and some knowledge of bench technique to be shooting .5's as a constant thing.

Sako tikka savage

I have a few Remington 700's. They will shoot .5MOA except I would not know about factory ammo. The newest two Remingtons I have purchased needed some lapping in the barrel. They were the early cheap 700s with the rather poor synthetic stocks. After the lapping was complete they both shoot very well. The last two were 280 and 300 WM.
I have a 700 Classic in 7x57 that shoots only in the .75 group size. But I don't shoot it much and everything is still factory stock on it. I expect that if I tried different loads I could get it to shoot better.

So, I suspect that if you buy their (Remington) cheapest rifles you may need to do work on them. But the Senderos and the 40x's and the higher end 700s all seem to work for me.

Sako 6mmPPC

Caliber for that level of accuracy with Factory ammunition, .308 Winchester.

Manufacturer: Remington or Sako

Old Timer...I was just wondering what you are planning on doing with this rifle... Just target shooting, hunting...deer, antelope, bear, elk??? And what kind of hunting conditions...4-Wheeling out to a stand, still hunting, backpacking.... And why .300 WM or WSM?

Accuracy..I'll take my Remington LTR in .308...it has yet to shoot a .5" group if I do my part.... If I shoot a .5" group it's MY fault not the rifles...



Federal Match... That is a .2 and .4



Handloads...165 Hornady SST



Magnuns for most hunting..no thanks.

Bob