Hot Core's Elk Hunting Experience????????

29 May 2010, 08:06

ted thorn

quote:
Originally posted by Hot Core:
Nope - I've not shot ANY Elk with a 270Win and never will. Only a person that has no knowledge about Ballistics and Elk anatomy would even consider such stupidity.

I've had nothing to say until now,

Hot Core......I have shot elk with my .270....and will again!

29 May 2010, 08:11

ted thorn

quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
Just one question: How many lives would one have to live to shoot 1,000 elk -- legally??

I know of one member here that is "curently enjoying his freedom in Wyoming"
He has killed neary 60 in his lifetime and he is about as pro as it gets here.

29 May 2010, 17:09

Hot Core

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
You should have seen the pile of deer!...

The "shadow" from the pile weighed over a ton!

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But the pile of skunks didn't smell as bad as howard and dewey.

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Hey R, jeffee would post a flick of his massive Dove Kills(1 accidental Kill - which ended up being a Sparrow), but dosen't want the Lead Sled to be seen.

29 May 2010, 17:22

jeffeosso

it was a swallow, not a sparrow .. and, sure enough, i just had to use the leadsled (sigh)

in fact, here's a picture of it, the leadsled that is...

and now, about your elk hunting "lookin at" as you state ...

btw, can we get a picture of your pile of deer? please, also, date and county, showing your massive pile of deer, as you say, was so huge that the absence of light caused by it weighed a ton.

just one little snapshot ...

i figured as much ...

29 May 2010, 19:15

Chuck Nelson

I find it funny that people are just catching up to the reality that's been for years.

29 May 2010, 19:51

Dewey

No, Chuck, I think that most guys here have "seen the light" on this issue since HC attacked our late friend and REAL hunter, Allen, here. Some guys just have to act like HC does and are, as Howard posted, best ignored.

BTW, life has been quite hectic for me for some months due to my wife's being off work with arthritis and other problems....older RN syndrome, ruined back and all that...so, I have one of those sights for you and do you still want it? I can try to pop it in the mail this week, I have not forgotten you, just busy.

29 May 2010, 20:04

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
Just one question: How many lives would one have to live to shoot 1,000 elk -- legally??

I know of one member here that is "curently enjoying his freedom in Wyoming"
He has killed neary 60 in his lifetime and he is about as pro as it gets here.

Exactly!

29 May 2010, 20:39

TEANCUM

quote:
Hey Hotsh#t Ye old butt shooter good to finally hear from you and you almost answered the original questions about your elk hunting experience. But you tried to pull an Obama on us with your answer of "Nope - I've not shot ANY Elk with a 270Win and never will." You sly old dog, you thought that was an answer that would suffice but you are dodging the issue, you stinker. Let me post the original questions again so that you can directly answer them. We're all anxious to know the experience that you have to support your comments. Here you go....

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Hotsh#t

Ye olde sum b####

Perhaps a better question for you would be:

1. How many elk have you killed???

2. How many elk have you "LOOKED AT"???

3. How many elk have you seen killed???

4. Do you still use those Blue Dot loads in your Model 70 for elk hunting???

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There you go that should be easier for you now. Go ahead and inform us of your elk hunting background, we know that you can do it and there are many here on the forum pulling for you...............Wait a second I think there are only 3 on the forum pulling for you!!!!!!!

29 May 2010, 21:01

Chuck Nelson

Dewey, let me make sure I'm going to use it before you send it. I'm working a couple of projects through my head.

30 May 2010, 02:23

Hot Core

quote:
Originally posted by Dewey:
...our late friend and REAL hunter, Allen, ...

Are you saying he is dead?

30 May 2010, 02:26

500N

Hot core

You really are a WOFTAM if you don't have the balls to answer the questions posted just above.

30 May 2010, 02:43

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by Hot Core:
quote:
Originally posted by Dewey:
...our late friend and REAL hunter, Allen, ...
Are you saying he is dead?

Yes, Allen Day died a few days ago.

30 May 2010, 03:40

ldkier

The only bullet failure I've had on Elk was a "Hot Core" That was a 180gr outa' a 300 Win Mag.

30 May 2010, 03:41

cobra

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
Originally posted by Hot Core:
quote:
Originally posted by Dewey:
...our late friend and REAL hunter, Allen, ...
Are you saying he is dead?

Yes, Allen Day died a few days ago.

My condolences vapodog, I hadn't heard.

30 May 2010, 04:20

Chuck Nelson

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/8941013331

30 May 2010, 07:07

seafire/B17G

quote:
Originally posted by wildboar:
During my 8 years of AR membership I learned several interesting things from HC posts. Nevertheless, he often proved to be a (very) haughty, aggressive and sarcastic character, thus diminishing his worth; therefore, since a couple of years, I sometimes avoid to read his posts. I'm not surprised at all that several members took a strong dislike to him. Furthermore, those members' objections seem to be mostly reasonable, while HC defence is questionable.

We don't hate Hot Bore.. in fact we find him highly entertaining....much more so than the average AR forum members...

I mean very few of our members would "admit" to killing thousands of deer.... but no old Hot Bore... he just jumped right out there and offered us that stat just to prove his "endless depth of knowledge"...

30 May 2010, 07:18

seafire/B17G

quote:
Originally posted by Howard:
Why do you even waste time on HotCore. I have been aware of him for years and most times I just skip over his posts because they are either garbage or just plain wrong.

That he makes outlandish claims should come as no surprise. Its his nature.

Well I can vouche that Hot Bore has shot thousand of Deer and Thousands of Elk.. and done with a 223 and Blue Dot..

of course they weren't big elk or deer...

But with Bad Eyesight and a powerful scope... a ground squirrel can LOOK at BIG as an ELK......

Now I am waiting for Hot Bore to expound on how I am a scam artist? Anyone ever have to pay me for any data or experiences I have offered to share on this forum???

anyone aware of any personal gain I have been given?

most have gotten trucked off to the butcher with those thousands of deer...

30 May 2010, 07:19

seafire/B17G

quote:
Originally posted by 500N:
Hot core

You really are a WOFTAM if you don't have the balls to answer the questions posted just above.

( we could have told you that....)

30 May 2010, 08:31

Brad

I used to correspond a bit with the late George Hoffman (who used to post here before he died). He told me he'd taken right at fifty elk with the 270 and considered it perfect for the job.

I've seen only 8 or 9 elk taken with the round, but they all died pronto. My next rifle will be another 270 and it WILL see service on bull elk... cartridges are more alike than different and only those with more toilet side reading experience than field experience would argue that the 270 isn't a great elk cartridge.

But some people can't shoot no matter what's in their hands...

30 May 2010, 08:38

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by Brad:
I used to correspond a bit with the late George Hoffman (who used to post here before he died). He told me he'd taken right at fifty elk with the 270 and considered it perfect for the job.

I've seen only 8 or 9 elk taken with the round, but they all died pronto. My next rifle will be another 270 and it WILL see service on bull elk... cartridges are more alike than different and only those with more toilet side reading experience than field experience would argue that the 270 isn't a great elk cartridge.

But some people can't shoot no matter what's in their hands...

Agreed. I'm putting together two LH Model 70's right now. One stainless steel and the other blued. Both in Echols McMillan EDGE's and both with 23" barrels and both chambered for the 270 Winchester. I hope my wife clobbers both an Elk and a Moose with one of them this fall.

30 May 2010, 08:49

Brad

Hi Chuck, not surprised at your blueprint at all! I'd do the same in a heart-beat.

I'm going to get a Kimber 84L Montana when they appear and have the barrel whacked to 23"... a 6x36LR Leupold will go on top in Talley Lwt's and of course it'll carry an Uncle Mikes Mountain Sling. Will be a nice companion to my 257 Rob Montana.

30 May 2010, 08:59

Brad

Hey Chuck, BTW, who's barrel are you putting on and who's doing the work?

30 May 2010, 09:09

Chuck Nelson

Brad, these will wear the factory barrels and depending on balance will be turned until they do. They may eventually get new barrels, but may not. I've torn apart guns far to much and sometimes I wonder for what. They will both get some Williams products, the barrel chop, and the stocks, but other than that will remain pretty stock for now.

30 May 2010, 09:12

Brad

Cool Chuck. You keeping the 280 AI or is it becoming a 270 Win?

30 May 2010, 09:25

Chuck Nelson

It's going up for sale.

30 May 2010, 09:27

Brad

Chuck, does the 280ai wear a Winchester FWT bbl contour or something different?

30 May 2010, 09:44

Chuck Nelson

Brad, it wears the Winchester FWT barrel contour.

30 May 2010, 19:21

Dewey

Chuck, I HAVE to ask, WHY a pair in .270W. in both blue and sts.? I think I know why and just obtained a .300Win. sts. Classic and a sts. Classic .338WM. barrel and Micky Fwt. style handle to have Martini's build me my 6th .338WM., 23" tube, Brockman "ghost and post", the usual action parts exchanges and Talleys-Leupy 1.75x6 MHD.

After, last season's rained-out RM Goat hunt in northwestern BC and the effect on one of my treasured P-64 .338 originals, I decided to get a stainless rifle for a "beater" and this just recently popped up.

I have become a real fan of 23" tubes and I notice that a number of other rifle nutsos are going that route as well.I find that I get the best combination of ballistics and balance and handling with that length and will use it on any other builds I undertake, at least one more.

So, my guess is that it is for hunting in very wet AND very cold conditions, with concern for the inherent properties of each metal type as motivating factor...correct? Don't tell me that it is just because you can't decide which "look", sts . or blue you like best!

BTW, if you WANT irons, go with Brockman's rear peep-base and Recknagel's front banded, mucho superior to this other rig that "free-miner" and I have on a couple of our rigs, more dinero but worth it, IMO.

30 May 2010, 19:51

Chuck Nelson

I recently had picked up a LH SS Classic 270 WM as a backup for my stainless 280 AI and when in my hands remembered how well those 06 based cartridges feed , how easy it is to find components, and loaded ammunition if necessary. I also liked how it looked and balanced in the Legend stock so suddenly it became the rifle I would use.

I then thought, with the help of a lefty friend, about how much smoother those CM actions are and how a little blueing wear in the years to come might be nice to look at while I sit under a Bighorn ram, a Bull Elk, or a heavy Mule Deer in my living room. So I started to put my feelers out for a blued 06 or 270. After several weeks looking it rained yesterday and I found and bought a 270 in the morning, then got word of an 06 in the states before noon, and then another one in Lethbridge yesterday afternoon.

I was hoping for an 06 but they are rare enough (except on Saturdays late in May) that I jumped on the 270 and there I sit. I do have 30-06 takeoff barrels in both SS and CM so I can go that route as well.

And yes deciding on look had a little to do with it as well.

30 May 2010, 20:58

Howard

quote:
Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
old Hot Bore... he just jumped right out there and offered us that stat just to prove his "endless depth of knowledge"...

Funny thing is that if he had even a smidgen of the experience he claims he wouldn't have the opinions or attitudes he has.

30 May 2010, 21:20

Dewey

I do not really care how much experience anyone has and feel that all honest opinions are valid on a forum such as this, with one major exception.

That is, when someone gratuitously attacks another poster(s) on a personal level for NO reason, except to somehow gratify their own sense of self importance. I have seen this on various boards so often, where someone with relatively little real wilderness experience becomes very aggressive and nasty toward someone else, whom they have never met and in some cases, have even called a "friend" in other posts.

To me, this forum is about learning and just having a good time yacking with others interested in some of the same things I enjoy as hobbies, there is no need for anyone to have 50 years in the bush, have shot 62 Elk and 27 Grizzlies to simply offer a reasonably polite opinion....but, boy, some of those on various gun forums with the highest number of posts just gotta show how "tough" they can be....and are so obviously full of crap that reasonable people just laugh.....

With the whole .270-Elk question, based on my experience here in BC, it is NOT my first choice, it DOES work and if someone prefers a 7Mag., .340Roy or old .30-06, so phucking what, it is supposed to be about fun!

I kinda feel sorry for HC and others like him, who have such problems in life that they must always spew nonsense here and attack others....but, hey, that's the internet....one can "be" anything he wants to...............

But, all in all, Howard, I agree and I think that most here "see the light", eh.

30 May 2010, 22:23

TC1

Great post Dewey.

Terry

30 May 2010, 23:24

Kabluewy

quote:

Great post Dewey.
Terry

Great post TC1.

KB

30 May 2010, 23:38

ramrod340

quote:
Great post Dewey

30 May 2010, 23:53

500N

Well said Dewey

If I may add.

Discussions and Arguments over caliber's used on game will always occur - just like sitting round the camp fire on a hunt.

However this shouldn't happen on game shot or killed and only seems to when someone bull shits about achievements and can't or won't back it up.

Just my HO based on observations of forums.

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31 May 2010, 01:34

Howard

Great post Dewey, well stated.

I have never shot an elk but I reckon based on what I know and have learned from others who have been there and done that that the 270 is more then sufficient for elk.

Finn Aagaard stated that in his years as a PH in Kenya he had seen more one shot kills with the 270 then any other firearm. Good enough for me.

quote:
Originally posted by 500N:
Discussions and Arguments over caliber's used on game will always occur - just like sitting round the camp fire on a hunt.

Absolutely, its all part of the enjoyment. Difference between arguing and sitting quietly while some no nothing/do nothing pontificates about things of which he is clueless.

31 May 2010, 01:36

ramrod340

quote:
Discussions and Arguments over caliber's used on game will always occur - just like sitting round the camp fire on a hunt.

500N I agree we will always disagree. However many seem to need to lower to the level of name calling etc simply because someone doesn't agree. Heck my buddies never understood why I would spend the $$$ to build one of my wildcats.

While they would never had done so they sure didn't call me stupid because I did. Hey if there was one perfect rifle, truck etc it sure would be a boring place.

31 May 2010, 01:42

500N

As has been stated, "Discussions and Arguments over caliber's used on game will always occur" is half the fun of the forums, allows you to put your perspective based on your experience.

Like the thread on Terminal Bullet performance, 2 - 4 different groups of opinions but a great thread all the same.

I like the comment "some no nothing/do nothing pontificates about things of which he is clueless." LOL, very good description of quite a few on forums.