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Anyone got any good loads for this combo? I am shooting the barnes 200 TSX. I have tried IMR 4350 to 67 grains for 2800 F.P.S. and am working up to 69 but I am guessing that that will barely make 2900 fps. I have loaded up to 73 of h4831 (heavily compressed) but have not shot these yet. IMR 7828 could not get enough into the case to beat IMR4350 velocities. retumbo at 75 grains was very compressed but did give just under 2900. So far it looks like h4831 has the best possibilities. But I am open to suggestions. It is a little frustrating not being able to beat 30-06 velocities with a 26" 300 win mag though. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | ||
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If you can find some, you might try Winchester's WMR. I tried it with the 200 gr. Speer hot-core from a 26" barrelled Winchester M70 and got 2900 FPS, excellent accuracy, (.80") and no pressure signs at all. Primer pockets are nicely rounded and case head measurments are equal or less than factory ammo in the same brass. The powder charge is 69.0 grains. It's a crying shame that Winchester dropped that one a few years back. H-450, which is said to be just a different lot # of WMR made for Hodgden was also dropped at the same time. I've never heard of any problems with either powder, so why drop it? I do have a theory, but not one I'd make generally public. Paul B. | |||
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I got top velocities with H1000 and the 200 grain Speer Hotcore spitzer. The extra long Barnes bullets reduce case capacity significantly. On the other hand the velocities you are getting are much higher than what the average 30-06 can push the same bullet. Leftists are intellectually vacant, but there is no greater pleasure than tormenting the irrational. | |||
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been using 71 gr of old H4831 & 200 nosleer part. for years. always been a good load | |||
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If I still had one, Retumbo would be the first powder I'd try. Hogdon lists 84 grains getting 2962 with the 200 Partition from only a 24" barrel. But it wasn't around back then....  | |||
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I once loaded my 300 Win for bear with the 220 gr loads going 2750 fps. Well didn't get a bear so I shot them 220 gr loads off and reset my scope. Got home cleaning my gun and found a pin in my bolt that was broken from shooting those 220 gr bullets at 2750fps. So now I'll shoot those rounds at 2700 with a different powder. I have loaded some partitions 200 gr at 2800 haven't shot them yet. | |||
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At 2800 fps., you've beaten .30-06 velocities alright. Try loading the same 200 gr. bullets in an '06 and seen what you get. AD | ||
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73 grains of 4831 is a very very hot load... too hot for 200 grain bullet IMHO. I have good luck w/ about 69.5 grns of Hogdon 4831SC and a 200 grn Nosler. I get approx 2850 fps with that load in an Interarms Whitworth Mark X. Regards, Brian  Meet "Beauty" - 66 cal., 417 grn patched roundball over 170 grns FFg = ~1950 fps of pure fun! "Scotch Whisky is made from barley and the morning dew on angel's nipples." - Warren Ellis NRA Life Member | |||
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71 grains of H4831 is a good old standby load with 200 grain bulletss, and that is near max. I would not consider loading up to 73. I have had 2 different barrels that loved 71 grains H4831 though. "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms" - Josey Wales | |||
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I have loaded 32 different loads for the 200 TSX using H4831, IMR831, IMR7828, and RL22 in 4 different rifles. They all seem to like 2 loadings - 1 slow and 1 hot. The slow one is 71 grains H4831SC at 2770 fps and the hot one is 74 grains RL22 at 2950 fps. On the hot one, I got up to 76 grains RL22 at 3116 fps before I started seeing extractor groove shiny spots. RL22 is definitely the powder if you're looking for velocity and performance. Just bought some RL25 and going to try that. The RL22 seems to shoot best when compressed, but at 74 grains it not compressed all that much. Without guns we are subjects, with guns we are citizens ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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I have gotten good accuracy with faster velocities with RL-22 also. However, I have noticed that with RL-22 velocities change as the temperature changes. If I am working up loads in the late summer, the temperature can be as much as 35 degrees colder come elk season. Colder temps = lower velocity = change in POI. That's why I always go back to H4831. It has much more stable performance characteristics across broad temperature ranges. Regards, Brian Meet "Beauty" - 66 cal., 417 grn patched roundball over 170 grns FFg = ~1950 fps of pure fun! "Scotch Whisky is made from barley and the morning dew on angel's nipples." - Warren Ellis NRA Life Member | |||
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I got to reading these two posts https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3221043/m/833103942 https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3221043/m/553109152 and it seems that the 30-06 will do 2850 with a 200 grain bullet. Even says they are within saami specs. Three different rifles too. ------------- 73 grains of H4831 is the max lisred load for the 200 grain X bullet from the barnes manual. ------------- 75 grains of retumbo was heavily compressed for just under 2900 FPS and I did try 80 grains for 3006FPS but got (very)high pressure signs and the bullet would not stay seated anyway at 80 grains. So 84 would be impossible and insane too. ------------ I had a 300 ultra in the same model rifle as my 300 win mag and it would take 200's to 3200 fps and a max load of retumbo. I am hoping to get 2900 in the winny with a saami spec load that doesnt have to be heavily compressed. I never could get a 180 to go 3100 in a 24" winny either so I am prepared to accept the possibilty that I may have to take what I can get. ------------- Is it may yet? Cabin fever is getting the best of me and it has been snowing for two days NOW!!!?? -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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Yeah, that 200 grainer at 2850 in a 30-06 is really pushing it. Hell, when I push a 180 grain at 2850 the bolt gets a little stiff and get extractor groove shiny spots. The 300 will push the 200 TSX over 3100 fps if you really push the envelope, and I've gotten the 180 over 3200. Guess I'm like a bad kid that has to find the limits. Since then I have backed down to what I previously posted. All with RL22. The Barnes data lists a velocity of 2908 for a max load of 73.5 grains IMR7828. I found the 7828 did not live up to that, but the RL22 almost always produced book value.
Got tomatoes the size of golfballs already and been mowing the yard for 2 months. Rather be up there in August when it gets to be 100 in the shade down here, though. Without guns we are subjects, with guns we are citizens ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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I was reluctant to try R-22 because in my last 300 winny I used 78 grains with a 180 and it gave 3075 FPS. That is definatly a max load. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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I believe my load with H1000 was 79.0 grains, CCI250 primer and Winchester cases with the 200 grain Speer bullet which is not especially long for it's weight. I took an African Waterbuck and a huge feral hog with this load. On the Waterbuck the bullet penetrated 3 feet of tough meat and in that 16 inches of spine. It came out looking mostly intact but the front was a bit beat up by the bone and had a diamiter of .550. Oh yeah don't believe everything you read on this forum about extra high velocities from an '06. Mine tops out at 2650 fps with the 200 grain bullet. Leftists are intellectually vacant, but there is no greater pleasure than tormenting the irrational. | |||
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A 300 WM with a 24" barrel should easily get 3000 fps+ with a 200 gr. Nosler Partition and still be within 65,000 psi. I suggest using Retumbo (~84 grs), N560 (~78 grs), 7828ssc (~78 grs), or Re25 (~81 grs). The 300 WM case should be capacious enough to allow for this much powder. If not, get some Norma 300 WM - I know it'll take these loads and then some - I have a 300 WM, and it loves Re25. | |||
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I guess I'm a wimp. I like 71.5 gr of RL22 behind a 200 gr Nosler partition. Its a grain under published max, but my M70 26" bbl stainless seems to like it- I got the best grouping with that load. jh | |||
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retumbo by far the best for my 300 wm, 79-83 gr. all good < 1". 3000 fps. 200 gr nosler part. or accubond. Paul LaPrade | |||
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Allen Day, How fast do your other 300's shoot that same Federal load? -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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I was about to go shoot the H4831 loads til I remembered it is only 35*F  outside. Loads that I think are safe now might not be come hunting season. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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RMiller, I don't know. That's the only rifle I've tried them in so far. AD | ||
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I have always shot shot 75.0 grains of RL-22 with my remington 700 I got an honest 2892 fps on a 6 shot average. that was with a24" barrel and it was not to bad on cases but for some reason remington 700 rifles jam the second thumb knuckle in to my lip so after a 20 or so rounds my lip got a bit swollen this load does kick a bit i used noslers speer and sierras they all shot outstandingly well. youre on the right track witha 200 in this caliber as they shoot flatter and hit harder from about 300 yards and beyond. I also used some old H-570 that worked good when I ran out I used H-870 and i did not get the velocity from it (100fps less) it was the most accurate.With a 26" barrel you should get very close to 2975fps. If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Dont be to dissapointed if you only get 150fps over the .3006 because 150-200 is probably average and if you find a load that goes over 300 fps with no pressure signs or blown primers you have a good load. If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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