Does anyone know about this cartridge and who makes the brass?

I have been interested in converting my BFR to .50 Alaskan or .50-110 but I like this idea even better since I could just use my existing barrel and be able to still shoot .500 S&W, .500 JHR, and .500 Specials too. Just ream the chamber back .500" or so and you are set. It would allow for massive power levels at relatively low pressures without thinning out the BFR clyinder walls to accept the fatter .50 AK/.50-110 cartridges.This seems like a great idea for BFR shooters & Encore shooters to boot to have something different and EXTREMELY versatile.

Before I get bombarded....I don't feel that more power is necessary at all but it would be a lot of fun to play with and the conversion would be easy and cheap. Any info will be much appreciated!

I'm not going to beat you up on the power arguent, but I will say that at those levels they are VERY hard to shoot. jwp475's .50 Alaskan absolutey punishes the shooter, and while they may be fun to some, even the real recoil hardened won't like to shoot it. Just want to throw that out there as an additional thing to consider before making your decision.

If I am not mistaken, Jack Huntington did the cartridge, the brass I think Jack has the answer to that also.
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I was thinking of sending one of my 500 Mag to get done, but the 500 Mag is a handful already.

Just spoke to Jack Huntington about this, and it was indeed his creation, but it never went beyond the concept stage. It is indeed a 2.1-inch case -- basically a lengthened .500 S&W. The idea was to achieve .500 Smith velocities with lower pressures. But it has never been built yet. Jack has a reamer........

Lee Martin has one that is a necked down 50 Ak
U could do my 500 Kill All to 2.1 and use it in a short action bolt too.
Headstamp brass will be made.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Just spoke to Jack Huntington about this, and it was indeed his creation, but it never went beyond the concept stage. It is indeed a 2.1-inch case -- basically a lengthened .500 S&W. The idea was to achieve .500 Smith velocities with lower pressures. But it has never been built yet. Jack has a reamer........

I thought I had that right..

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
I thought I had that right..

And you did!

Anything with california in the name should be banned! Please change the name.

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Anything with california in the name should be banned! Please change the name.

Ditto!(Except Girls)

Back off, I'm a native Southern Californian! If we could chase off all of the freaks from everywhere else trying to "make it" in Hollywood, the place would be fairly (emphasis on fairly) normal.......

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Back off, I'm a native Southern Californian!

Sorry to hear that...

Gee, thanks Redhawk! By the way, where in the hell is Delaware?

The main reason I am interested in doing it is to acheive .500 S&W power levels at lower pressures while still having the option of using .500 S&W ammo. The .500 Martin is a neat idea but if I am going to thin out my cylinder walls I'll just do a .50 AK because it is already established. The .500 Ca Super would be an easy and relatively cheap way to obtain something truly different and very powerful.

I really like my BFR in .500 S&W but it does bother me that there is so much unused cylinder space. It is a well made firearm and a good shooter but what's the point in having a 3" cylinder and shooting 2" ammo? It just bugs me!!!

If I decide to do this project, I'll contact Jack Huntington. It seems like the biggest issue will be getting ammo/brass for it.....and if I do, I'll bet it will be costly.

Maybe I'll just cast some big bullets with a 1.00"-1.250" nose length!!! It would look crazy but it would fill up those cylinders some.

Thanks for the info fellas

srshooter, keep us posted. Give Jack a call.

Yes,I think it is a good idea as my 50/110 BFR's only take that round and cost alot more to convert...500 Smith ammo is relativly cheap compared to the 50/110 Custom stuff and I have LOTS of it form 275 Barnes to 700 cast bullets!

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Originally posted by srshooter:
I really like my BFR in .500 S&W but it does bother me that there is so much unused cylinder space. It is a well made firearm and a good shooter but what's the point in having a 3" cylinder and shooting 2" ammo? It just bugs me!!!

The 50 Alaskan, and the 50-110 do not completyely fill those LOOOONG BFR cylinders

Well,I think there is also a 50/140?!!

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by srshooter:
I really like my BFR in .500 S&W but it does bother me that there is so much unused cylinder space. It is a well made firearm and a good shooter but what's the point in having a 3" cylinder and shooting 2" ammo? It just bugs me!!!

The 50 Alaskan, and the 50-110 do not completyely fill those LOOOONG BFR cylinders

This BFR project is probably a year or so away, if I do it at all. Let's just see what develops with all these big bores coming out. Hell, Magnum Research may decide to offer this cartridge(probably with a different name.....maybe they'll probably name it the ".500 BFR WRISTBREAKING MACHO MAN SUPER EXPRESS MAGNUM" ) or something like it.

In today's era of the handcannon, I'm surprised the .500 Ca Super isn't more popular. I try to keep up on big bore cartridge development and I have just recently heard of it. I read an old AR post that briefly mentioned it. With all the bad cartridge ideas out there, I would think this cartridge would be popular with the big bore wildcatters. I've been looking for something like the .500 Ca Super (and super-long-nose LBT type bullets for the .500 S&W) since I bought my BFR 3 years ago. I chose the BFR over the S&W 500 because of it's longer cartridge potential and because it makes for the perfect "big brother revolver" to my 4 5/8" stainless Ruger SBH. A year later, of course, I bought the 4" version of the S&W 500 for backup to my Ruger 10/22 and Mini 14's on my frequent squirrel safaris!!!

I appreciate the helpful info and I'll let you know if I decide to do it. Right now, I want to see what develops, especially since I'm strapped for cash.

I would like to speak to Jack Huntington though. I'm also interested in converting a Marlin 1895 XLR to a short barreled .50 AK with a full length magazine tube and I have read that he is really good with lever conversions
too. That reminds me.....I need to post a question about the .50 AK in the LEVER ACTION FORUM.

THANKS AGAIN FELLAS!!!!

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I really like my BFR in .500 S&W but it does bother me that there is so much unused cylinder space. It is a well made firearm and a good shooter but what's the point in having a 3" cylinder and shooting 2" ammo? It just bugs me!!!

You're just not using enough bullet



That's my little S&W snubby loaded with 700gr hard cast slugs.

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Originally posted by DEC:

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I really like my BFR in .500 S&W but it does bother me that there is so much unused cylinder space. It is a well made firearm and a good shooter but what's the point in having a 3" cylinder and shooting 2" ammo? It just bugs me!!!

You're just not using enough bullet



That's my little S&W snubby loaded with 700gr hard cast slugs.

I have only one thing to say: ouch!

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Originally posted by DEC:

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I really like my BFR in .500 S&W but it does bother me that there is so much unused cylinder space. It is a well made firearm and a good shooter but what's the point in having a 3" cylinder and shooting 2" ammo? It just bugs me!!!

You're just not using enough bullet



That's my little S&W snubby loaded with 700gr hard cast slugs.

I have shot many of those 700 gr slugs that Ranger Rick makes out of my BFR and my 4" S&W 500. While they fill up the 2.3" S&W cylinder, they still look short in the BFR's 3" cylinder. To similarly fill my cylinder I need a bullet with a nose length around 1.30"-1.35" crimp to nose!! That's why I'm interested in the .500 Ca Super.

Full power loads with the 700 grainers sting my hand pretty good in the S&W 500 (with the brake!)but not so much with the unbraked 8" BFR! The SA plowhandle styled grip really helps in the "perceived recoil" department.

I'll bet those big slugs REALLY thump in your unbraked snubby!!!........ but that is a hell of a backup/defense piece, FOR ANYTHING!!!

I appreciate the feedback. GOOD SHOOTING!

Maybe 800 gr's!

or maybe you just need a shorter cylinder......

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
or maybe you just need a shorter cylinder......

I haven't thought of that!!!!! Who can I get to do this BFR LONG to KINDA LONG cylinder shortening job for me? That would solve all my problems!!!!

All you need is a hacksaw and a mig welder.........

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Maybe 800 gr's!

Let me write this all down.....A hacksaw, mig welder, and an 800 gr bullit? GOT IT!!

Just talked to Jack Huntington about this and he wants to know how many of you BFR and Encore shooters would be interested in doing this as he has the reamer,just needs to make a brass order.There is a $500 tooling charge and a mininum of 25,000 cases to be made(at 40 cents each)....If we pooled together,then we could get this going....Advantages are 1/2" longer case that could be loaded hot,or normal with low presures and on the cylinders,wall thickness is not compromised.Also,WoW factor is increased and you can still use 500 Smith ammo.This is basically a 50 Alaskan case,but .500 instead of .510....So,if interested,please "raise your hand now"

I for one am very interested but I am inexperienced with such things as this. How do we do it?

I definately don't have the $$$ right now for a large donation but I will try to do my part if given a month or so to do it.

I am trying to get my .500 A2 project going also but I've taken a few tough financial hits over the last year or so........BUT I DEFINATELY WANT TO DO THIS!!!!

This .500 Ca Super/.500 S&W Long Mag is the best cartridge idea possible for BFR owners, IMO.

SAFARI KID, THANKS for getting this big ball rolling!!!!!!!!!!

Yes,I want my BFR to have this option.Jack told me today that you have some pics posted of my latest BFR snubbie with the Birdshead grip frame...where?