What I think happens.
We know that hi velocity bullet (2,200 fps+ ?) destroys tissue from some type of hydraulic effect.

We also know a low velocity bullet ( less than 1,500 fps) kills in a different way, and kills well too.

I think the middle ground velocity does not have the hydraulic shock of the hi velocity. But it ruptures the blood vessels and causes different effects in a body. The wounds do not seem to bleed much, the animal doesn't show as much reaction.

There is allot more to this that I don't know how to put into words.

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Originally posted by OLBIKER:
Hey Whitworth,what is your 500 going to be based on?????I am anxious to see pics.I have just started baiting for bear for Sept. and am going to use my 475.Hope to ruin a Bruins day!!!!!!!

Hey! The .500 is on an Ruger SRH frame like my .475, but with a shorter barrel -- also a 5-shot. I sacrificed my .454 Casull SRH to te big-bore gods!

Well, you are doing the only thing I can think of, BIGGER BULLETS.



The bullets are:
500 Linebaugh Max, 525 @ 1350 fps, 525 that doesn't look so big because of an edge covering the bottom:
a .500 JRH recovered under the off side skin, 440 @ 950 fps, from a rather large asian buffalo.
350 grain Hawk HP with thin jacket that I think at 1400 fps would work great on hogs.

Marko, have you tried the 400 grain XTP .475 on hogs? 325 flat point .475, I bought about 600 of them. 265 grain Hawk soft point my new self defense against deer bullet: How fast should it go? 1200-1400 fps.

Then the little stuff, 260 grain Sierra at 1450 buffalo bore .45 Colt, 45 Super and .357 magnum:

Hey GS I would be interested in trying some of your 325 grain 475 bullets if you can spare some. Alternatively perhaps you can tell me where you got them.
Peter.

I've used 325 grain Gold Dots with less than spectacular results as loaded in factory .480 ammo. Very inconsistent. On one weekend I shot a rather large boar (250-lbs), and it was a complete pass-through, and the day before I shot a small meat hog and it failed to exit. I wouldn't use those bullets for anything heavier than deer, personally.

Nice revolvers, GS!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
I've used 325 grain Gold Dots with less than spectacular results as loaded in factory .480 ammo. Very inconsistent. On one weekend I shot a rather large boar (250-lbs), and it was a complete pass-through, and the day before I shot a small meat hog and it failed to exit. I wouldn't use those bullets for anything heavier than deer, personally.

Nice revolvers, GS!

Both are actually incredible. Jack built them, and, the guy that had them sold em to finance a Barrett.
The .475 is either the first or second Huntington conversion on the .475 Linebaugh/Huntington, which is actually John Linebaugh's cartridge, with Jack turning the rim down, and fitting it into a FA 83. It will shoot 1 hole at 25, cloverleaf at 50, with 420's and the right load of V110. It's a matchgrade barrel and cylinder, and trigger.

The .510 Linebaugh Max is a beast. It will shoot 525's at 1550, but, nobody can really shoot it well with the first batch of 525's at 1350 fps.

I plan on loading some 350 Hawk Hollow points for general work, probably around 1400 fps.

The 325's for the .475 are waiting on a project: the .475 Huntington Short. A .475 drop in for a 1911. Have to get up and talk to Jack about this this week.

Whitworth:

I've noticed that the results with expanding bullets are there, but, they take more work and trial and error then the Keith style bullets.

I think that's why Keith style bullets are kind of popular: cheap to cast, if you do it yourself, they do work, and, they don't fail as often. I do think if you manage to figure out how to load the expanding bullets, they work better then Keith style, but, they don't seem to work in as many applications. They also work with less velocity, so less recoil, and, figuring out how much velocity and bullet wait you need in a given hollow point is not easy, since they all vary so much in performance.

Tom is my inspiration on this, since he seems to really have it down, using big, expanding bullets in calibers others wouldn't even think about trying them in.

That's one thing about your coming guns: a 440 or bigger grain .510 bullet, loaded from 950-1550 fps is going to work, and penetrate, no matter what you shoot with it. Like 4-6 feet. JRH has also said the impact from such large bullets has sort of the same attention getting as a .375 H&H, though with a different dynamic causing the trauma. Hollow points need to be more narrowly tailored, by trial and error, and, if they work, they might not give you two holes.

GS -- I do cast my own and it is a bullet designed by bfrshooter here on this site. It is very accurate even out to 200 yards if you are up to the task. I don't use Keith-style bullets in anything anymore as I believe we have made some more progress in bullet design. Again, on light, thin-skinned game I am all for expanding bullets, but I personally like to find that load that can handle it all and I stick to it. That way I am not messing with sight settings, etc.

One more thing. Regarding Hawk bullets. They propbably work well at handgun speeds, but that is another bullet that I have seem fail spectacularly in my .458 Lott, and I wasn't even pushing them very hard. Talk about core separation in the extreme........

Bad Whitworth.
I really regret buying the .375, well, not really. I just wish it was a .458 Lott. I think it's the most practical big bore, and, if I've got to carry around a 10 pound CZ, I want it in the .458, not that weak, little, 375 H&H.

Should I just rechamber to .375 Weatherby? That would make it equal to the magic Saeed .404/375, and, I'd loose a round in the mag, 5 to 4...