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jwp475
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Just recieved my order of 255 grain Flat Point Hard Cast for the 45 ACP and 45 Super by Buffalo Bore

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45 ACP+P

45ACP+P ammo is externally/dimensionally identical to 45 ACP ammo and can be fired in any 45 acp firearm that is in normal operating condition. However, the greater pressures and power of the +P ammo will give you greater slide velocity and if you are going to shoot more than a box or two of +P ammo, you should consider replacing your recoil spring with a Wolf Spring that gives roughly 4 to 6 lbs more spring weight than factory stock springs. A shock buffer might also be a good addition although it is not too necessary if you use the stronger spring.


The below velocities were fired from my personal Colt Gold Cup 1911 (5 inch)


1. 45185-----------1180 fps (185gr. Jhp)
2. 45200-----------1078 fps (200gr. Jhp)
3. 45230------------979 fps (230gr. Jhp)
4. 45230FMJ------981 fps (230gr. Fmj-FLAT NOSE)
5. 45255------------960 fps (255gr. HARD CAST-FLAT NOSE)



And the 45 Super

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45SUPER


45 Super is externally/dimensionally identical to 45 acp or 45 acp+P and is designed to be used in 45 acp semi auto pistols that have been fitted with stronger than normal recoil springs and a shock buffer, plus a couple other modifications. While you can shoot 45 SUPER out of some stock 45 acp+P pistols such as the Glock 21, HK USP or the full sized all steel 1911, you will batter your pistol if you do not have them modified to handle the extra pressure and slide velocity of the 45 Super.

All our 45 Super ammunition is loaded with flash suppressed powders so that if you have to fire in low light (when the criminal element is out) you will not be blinded by your own gun fire at the worst possible moment.


To learn about the modifications your 45 acp pistol needs to reliably and safely fire 45 SUPER, contact Garey Hindman at 936-402-3484. Garey is the foremost authority on 45 Super modifications/conversions for your 45 acp and Garey performs such conversions for a living.


The below velocities were fired from my Colt Gold Cup Govt. Model (5 inch) that was converted by Garey.


1. Item # 45S185-----------1330 fps (185gr. Jhp)
2. Item # 45S200-----------1235 fps (200gr. Jhp)
3. Item # 45S230-----------1131 fps (230gr. Jhp)
4. Item # 45S230FMJ----1133 fps (230gr. FMJ-FLAT NOSE)
5. Item # 45S255-----------1090 fps (HARD CAST-FLAT NOSE



The performance brings the 1911 to an even higher level on the food chain

I shot 2 of the 45 Supers and one of the 45 ACP and to my surprise they shot to the point of aim and cycled through my pistol perfectly. More testing to follow tu2


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Nice to see you discovered 45 Super.



I didn't just discover the 45 Super, hell it has been around for decades. I am repoting on a readily available source factoy loaded ammo by a well establish producer of high performance ammo


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About the same power as the 50 GI


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Dang, jwp, that looks to be pretty stout!



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About the same power as the 50 GI


How are you defining "power," Boomy?



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Similar weight and velocity


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Similar weight and velocity


Ah yes, but you're not figuring that almighty diameter into the mix!



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45 Super conversion kit:
" 1. Guide Rod & Buffer System with Dual Recoil (32 lb. total) Springs and Recoil Spring Plug (pin take-down style)
2. Heavy Duty Firing Pin Spring and Firing Pin (fits series 70 or 80)
3. Heavy Duty Extractor (fits series 70 or 80)
4. Extended Ejector
5. Oversize Firing Pin Stop
6. One 7 round Stainless Steel Combat 1911 Magazine (no magazine is supplied with Para-Ordinance conversion kits)"

Am I missing something?

Appears the way they deal with recoil is stiffer springs?

At this time, does anyone else load 45 Super?

Tim's ammo is excellent, and works flawlessly in both my 45 Supers.



I do not use the heavy springs. The stock 16 pound spring works just fine if the gun stays locked long enough for the pressure to subside a bit. Heavy spring slam the slide forward with great force and knocks the pistol down below the target


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A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
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Yes, just like they sell ammo with greater levels of muzzle energy; because there are schmucks that will buy it.



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Yes, just like they sell ammo with greater levels of muzzle energy; because there are schmucks that will buy it.


Can I get an AMEN?!



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The Israile Mil-surp TZZ 45acp brass holds up very well to hot loads. It used to be fairly cheap in bulk, but I haven't looked for any in awhile.

There is a Canadian 45-08 round out there being hot rodded for bear protection. I think it's a 225 LSWC loaded to 1300 or 1500 fps(don't remember exactly).
They are useing 308 or similar cases, cut down and inside reamed.


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AMEN to more muzzle energy!!



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What's not to like? With proper bullets, you now have a caliber that's good against 2 and 4 legged beasts.



The 45 ACP has always been good against 2 or 4 legged beasts, just ask the Japs that faced the 45 ACP in WWll. I have taken Deer with the 45 ACP, so that takes care of the 4 leggs


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What's not to like? With proper bullets, you now have a caliber that's good against 2 and 4 legged beasts.



The 45 ACP has always been good against 2 or 4 legged beasts, just ask the Japs that faced the 45 ACP in WWll. I have taken Deer with the 45 ACP, so that takes care of the 4 leggs


+1 -- couldn't agree more



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Thanks, but the smallest guy that ever jumped me was 220+ pounds. Most much bigger. With current SD ammo, 14" of penetration barely gets through these guys arms.


This is just further prattling by someone who obviously doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about. I don't care how big the guys are that "jumped" you or how much you may have "enjoyed" it. Regardless of how big they come; 14" of penetration means someone is going to the morgue.

If you spent as much time studying for the bar as you do spreading your foolishness on this forum; you just might pass the thing and get out of refereeing remedial grade school athletics. Just stop and try to think about it....



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First anyone who has to toot there horn this much has issues.

Now what was the penetration medium?Most mediums don't react like flesh,and I'd be willing to say that on a living breathing human it would do a whole lot more.


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Any suggestions on 45ACP loads(factory or handloads) in a 1911 for deer?Thanks.
 
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I have killed a could of whitetail and one mule deer with a 1911 in 45 ACP.

I used a H&G 68 SWC over 7.5gr of Unique on one deer.
Another was one that was caught in a fence. Almost got my self killed trying to get him out. When I did he was broken down in the back legs. I shot him with a 185gr Hardball round factory loaded by IMI.

I shot a mule deer swimming a river with a Hornady jacketed SWC, looks just like an H&G 68 again over 7.5gr of Unique.

The 45 ACP did the job, but it "ain't" no 44 Mag. Big Grin

Today I would tale a look at some of the Buffale Bore +P loadings. I would pick one with an eye toward maximum penetrastion.

Their 230gr jacketed FP or their heavy lead bullet would be my pick.


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Thanks.have a ton of H&G SWCs.
 
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What's not to like? With proper bullets, you now have a caliber that's good against 2 and 4 legged beasts.



The 45 ACP has always been good against 2 or 4 legged beasts, just ask the Japs that faced the 45 ACP in WWll. I have taken Deer with the 45 ACP, so that takes care of the 4 leggs


+1 -- couldn't agree more


Thanks, but the smallest guy that ever jumped me was 220+ pounds. Most much bigger. With current SD ammo, 14" of penetration barely gets through these guys arms.






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A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
- Winston Churchill
 
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What's not to like? With proper bullets, you now have a caliber that's good against 2 and 4 legged beasts.



The 45 ACP has always been good against 2 or 4 legged beasts, just ask the Japs that faced the 45 ACP in WWll. I have taken Deer with the 45 ACP, so that takes care of the 4 leggs


+1 -- couldn't agree more


Thanks, but the smallest guy that ever jumped me was 220+ pounds. Most much bigger. With current SD ammo, 14" of penetration barely gets through these guys arms.





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A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
- Winston Churchill
 
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How come GS's posts are all missing?? Confused



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Maybe they decided to go actually do something in order to have some experience to base themselves on.



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The amount of emotional investment in the performance of pistol cartridges here is baffling.



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The amount of emotional investment in the performance of pistol cartridges here is baffling.



Cheers
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It's the blathering on by some who visit here whose opinions aren't based on any real experience that causes the outpouring of emotion. Yes, we do argue about silly details every now and again, but overall, I think this is a pretty good bunch of guys -- even you, bfrshooter! dancing dancing



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