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I have an oportunity to have a custom pistol made this coming year and was thinking a 5 shot 500 L. with a 5.5" barrel would be great ... anyone have or shot one of these ?? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | ||
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keep in mind that the recoil of full power 500 linebaughs in a redhawk is pretty brutal. Bisleys are much more comfortable to shoot. | |||
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Whitworth has one I believe. He can give you some insight. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I have one in 475 Linebaugh. Love it. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Whitworths 500L is in a SRH frame with a 5" tube.Whippy is how I would describe shooting it. "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence,try orderin' someone else's dog around" unknown cowboy | |||
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You are correct, SRH. Brutal would be another way of describing it with full-tilt loads. I have a Redhawk in .454 and it's not the most pleasant revolver to shoot. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Here you go.....kills on both ends......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Making for a very efficient piece _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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. . . Wow, thats beautiful . Whitworth . actually everyone here . Yall have some really nice roscos !! .Redhawk can you post a pic of yours . . . would you say it was worse in recoil than the 500 S+W in a 4" barrel? . .As I understand it , the Redhawk + SRH don,t need the frame opened up . Is that correct . Does the 500 JRH need the frame openef up ? . Thanks everyone . . .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Thanks, Gumboot! No, the JRH has a 1.4-inch case. No opening up is necessary. I have a .475 Linebaugh on an SRH frame as well (5-shot). Of the .500 Smiths I've shot, they don't kick like my .500 L SRH. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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With my 7.5" SRHe the 400 gr bullets @ 1200 fps were easier to shoot than the 325 gr factory load . . The load I,m thinking I will use most is a 425 ish gr bullet @1250 fps or so . .this will be a last resort , wheels fell off , extreme duress , can,t nothin go wrong with , constant companion. . I,m hoping that the wider meplate gives more shock transfer than the 45s or 475 bullets . .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I am picture post dumb. My 475 Linebaugh is on the Redhawk frame, I don't know if it was opened up or not. You can contact Gary Reeder, and he would be able to tell you if it needed to be.. I would say my 475 Linebaugh has more felt recoil than my 500 mag. Unless I throw in one of them 700 gr. 500 Mags, then the 500 mag has more...lol If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Here's a .500 Linebaugh on a Redhawk, by Jack Huntington Advanced gunsmithing. Can't help on shooting it, since I didn't.    | |||
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The frames are fine as-is for the 500 Linebaugh. The 500 or 460 S&W are too long and operate at pressures well beyond what the Redhawk and SRH are designed to withstand. I have a 500 on standard Redhawk and yes, full house loads get your attention. A PAST shooting glove really helps. Mine is Magnaported which helps. Unless you intend to scope it, I think the best idea I've seen regarding a 500 in a Redhawk is the get a Super Redhawk Alaskan, mill the barrel extention back to the frame and screw in a Redhawk barrel bored to .510. Two reasons; first the topstrap isn't cut for scope rings on the Alaskan SRH and second, the peg grip stud allows for grips with some cushion against the web of you hand instead of the steel grip frame of the regular Redhawk. Mine:    Bowen's Alaskan SRH as decribed:  While I respect the design and power of the S&W 500 and 460 revolers, I have a rifle in 300 Win Mag that weighs less. I can't see carrying that much weight in a revolver, but that's just my opinion. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Wow , Thanks you guys!! I see what you mean with the SRH grip frame . I,m not sure if the guy who will build the gun will be able to rebore the barrel . I have thot about a single action . but the ability to just pull the trigger for a shot has the potential to come in real handy . Bear populations are on the increase and I,m not getting any younger or faster with my hands . And I just am more accurate with a double action revolver than I am a single action . . .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I feel the Redhawk in 500 Linebaugh is a great gun, relatively light weight, pleasant to shoot with reduced loads and effective with maximum loads. I have the full range of factory as well as handloads, including the Belt Mountain Punch 460 gr at 1150 fps by Grizzly Cartridge Company and 525 LBT at 1125 fps, both are nominal velocities as I'm too cheap to plink with them! 435 gr WFNGC Cast Performance bullets at 1289 fps, using 30.0 gr Lil'Gun CCI 300 primers, 1311 fps with CCI 350. These loads are my top end loads. I hunt here in Tennessee with plinkers: 450 gr LFNPB Beartooth with 12 gr. Unique, at 895 fps. 410 gr LFNPB CPBC with 10.0 W231, at 828 fps. All in my 5.5" Redhawk Bowen Custom. I haven't had the change to harvest anything big but hope to get an elk, water buffalo or bison cow soon. The versatility of big bores, especially an under three pound revolver with a 6 inch or shorter barrel is considerable. As far as I know, only a five shot Ruger Redhawk and Blackhawk are in this size package. I have to leave the 500 S&W (4 inch 56 oz) and Ruger Super Redhawk (2.5 inch 44 oz) out as they are not as utilitarian because of the excessively short barrel or as packable (too heavy in the case of 500 S&W) in my opinion. I don't have a Freedom Arms or other custom package so can't comment on them either. As to the general question, yes the frame is opened up, 1.897" long and 1.82" tall for the 500 Linebaugh, the forcing cone is shorter to make room for the longer cylinder in my Redhawk. The .45 Colt frame is 1.797" tall. Sorry, I am lacking in the knowledge of how to post pictures for my Redhawk. The 500 Linebaugh cylinder is smooth, 2.81" long, 1.79" dia. I have Paul Persinger black micarda grips. The typical Redhawk 6 pound long single action is now 2.75 pounds and reasonably crisp. The .45 Colt cylinder is 1.742" long, 1.760" diameter. My barrel is the original .44 Magnum overbored to .511. It weighs 3 pounds even. My .45 Colt converted by Clement weighs 2 lb 15.6 oz., both a slight weight reduction compared to the 49 oz .44 Magnum Redhawk. My .41 Mag and .44 Mag 6 inch S&Ws weigh in this range and are fine hunting weights. | |||
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He can farm the barrel job to Jim Dubell or Dan Pedersen. Cliff LaBounty did mine before Jim bought his business. It was re-heattreated after boring but I don't know why for sure. I think because the stainless had to be annealed first to rebore and rifle. Don't know about today's prices but back then it was $165 a barrel. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Actually, the yield point of the standard Redhawk 416 steel cylinder is 93K psi if I can recall correctly. They are plenty strong. That said, the 465 carpenter steel SRH .454 cylinder's yield is 160K or thereabouts -- again, if I can recall correctly. Those figures come from a report submitted by a Ruger engineer to an engineering journal. When Ruger decided to built their first production .454, they obviously decided to pull out all stops. The case at 1.6-inches for the .500 Smith is just too long (the .460 is even longer), but both the Redhawk and the Super Redhawk are plenty strong for the operating pressures of the .500 and .460 which I believe are in the 60,000 psi range -- same as the Casull. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I don't doubt your knowledge of the strength of the materials in 45 caliber but I'm not at all sure I'd like to pull the trigger on a 450 or 500 gr bullet loaded to 1800 or better in a Redhawk. I have better places to holster mine than between my eyes  "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Why would you want to load a 450 or 500 grain bullet in a 45 caliber handgun? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I was refering to 500 S&W power levels in a Redhawk. Two topics in one sentence. Sorry if that wasn't clear. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Why does one think that a 60,000 PSI 500 anything is needed? A 500 Linebaugh at a low 40,000 PSI wil handel about anything that walks, crawls or fly's _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I agree with you but enough folks think so that S&W does alright selling the 500 and 460, both of which can be loaded to 60K. Most factory ammo is at about 50K to avoid sticky brass. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I have shot a standard Ruger Redhawk chambered in 500 Linebaugh and recoil wasn't as bad as you might expect. Much of the felt recoil has to do with the grips. I have a single action Ruger that's a 5 shot chambered in 510 GNR. The 510 GNR is just a shorter version of the 500 Linebaugh and gives you more versatility when it comes to handloads.  NRA Life Member HHI Member SCI Member "get busy living... or get busy dying" | |||
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How in the world can a shrter case give one more versatility in loads? That statement comes from Reader and is a crock  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I can loaded lighter loads than the 500 Linebaugh, and I load heavier loads to 500 Linebaugh pressure by seating the bullet out further and crimping in the grease groove. NRA Life Member HHI Member SCI Member "get busy living... or get busy dying" | |||
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I can load any wieght bullet in the .500 Linebaugh that you can load in the .510 GNR to claim other wise is ridiculous. I have never understood why someone buys a .475 or .500 and then wants to load light weight bullets. Kinda defeats the purpose of the BIG BORES. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Seating the bullet out to .500 Linebaugh length.....hmmmm......defies logic -- might as well stick with the longer case at that point. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You are going to get slammed every time you bring up Gary Reeder on this forum. If it is not JRH, or one of the guys they use, they write everything Gary Reeder says as hog wash.. I learned not to argue with people that THINK they know it all. I like the 510 GNR, it is a great round, as is the 480 Ruger, a short 475 Linebaugh. As long as you are happy with your gun, who gives a shit what these guys think.. I know I don't.   If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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No one is saying that a 510 GNR is a bad caliber or cartridge, but caliming more vesitlile is hogwash. Redhawk1 you have reloaded long enough to know that any bullet weight that you can load in a 510 GNR you can also load in a 500 Linebaugh without issue _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Very well said. Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics, you may win, but you're still retarded. NRA Life Member HHI Member SCI Member "get busy living... or get busy dying" | |||
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"Retarded" is an antiquated and insulting term. We're "Discussion challenged". "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I have to take issue with this statement. You Reeder guys are a special breed. If anyone takes issue with the odd calibers that are supposedly designed to fill a gap, or if anyone has a problem with the laser-etched busy-work he adorns his revolver with, then they are automatically labeled "know-it-alls" and not worth engaging in conversation or debate. Now, really, if you shorten a case by a small amount, load the cartridge to the same overall length as the parent cartridge and declare that it is somehow special, you my friend are drinking some special Koolade. There is nothing special about it and I expect that it'll do everything the Linebaugh will do, particularly loaded long. This in and of itself is no reason to get defensive. But when someone tries to blow smoke up my backside that a .480 Ruger is somehow more versatile than a .475 Linebaugh, I have to question their sanity. No reason under the sun to get defensive. No one is being critical of your guns. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I think the argument is you can load lighter bullets, with less powder, yet still get consistent ignition, without using 350 CCI Magnum primers. In other words, if you want a light, slow load, the .510 GNR is better with light bullets. The idea makes sense, if you seat the bullet properly, reducing the case capacity, so you have a smaller air space, fuller case, and more consistent velocity. Also, Reeder thinks 350 grain Lead, not so wide meplat bullets at 1350 fps are adequate for elephant, so why do you need the bigger case? My chronograph results from trying to download the .500 Linebaugh with 350 grain bullets was REALLY not good: 350 grain LFN AA9 .510" Minimum load, ala AA manual 1040 1071 1477 1242 1121 Rifle primers? The guy loading these used a winchester primer. Seems that, when combined with the huge case and 'light bullet' resulted in velocity results all over the board. The 1477 fps REALLY got my attention. What baffles me is if the idea is to reduce the case capacity, why do you seat the bullets out further, instead of seating them further in? | |||
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Of course that is the claim and it ain't so it is BS or "kool aid" being sold to the unknowing and that is the problem with the claim. I can load any weight bullet in the .500 Linebaugh without issue that can be loaded in the .510 GNR. To reduce a case in length a samll amount and then declare it more versitile by creating a bullet with the crimp groove in a different location so as to gain the same powder capacity as the slightly longer round is selling BS and that is the problem with the claim. As to Readers claim that a 350 grain bullet without a wide meplat is adequate for Elephant, well be my guest and get to it. Show me the Elephant taken with the 350 grainer. Is the bullet a hard cast? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I knew you would take the bait... You just can't help yourself.. haha!  Time to quit fishing..  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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You took the bait first...... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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JWP why not go to the Reeder site, and ask for the pictures, They will show you a boat load of 510 GNR kills. And yes the bullet is a hard cast. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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I know JWP, but it is fun pulling the chain for once.. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Hay we have to pull the chain once in a while..  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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