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You mean like when a rifle shooter makes a bad shot and fires 5, 6 or more times _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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The person pulling the trigger has no bearing on if it worked or not other than proper placement of the bullet I would not have recommended the the 45 ACP but to deny that it worked very well in this case is ridiculous to say the least _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Oh great one if it worked well by your own admission then how was it a poor choice?? That defies logic Apparentlty it was not a poor choice other wise it would not have worked well That's like calling a play a bad call even after it went for a TD  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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it worked and worked well. it's all the bullet more so than any cartridge. it helps people feel justified chest thumping with huge cartridges but they are just not usually needed. i recently took my daughter on an oryx hunt. there were 6 other hunters. she was shooting a .243, which she shoots well. we chose her bullet carefully for the job at hand. the next smallest rifle being shot was a 300mag. at the end of the day her oryx was the only 1 shot kill, and 2 were lost. take it for what it's worth. i'd say a 45 acp works just fine for elk if the range is kept appropriate. this just proved it. imagine what he could kill if he wasn't shooting an expandable and had been using a double tap hardcast, i bet it'd kill a buffalo. in fact i know it would cuz i've seen it done so handily on more than one occasion. | |||
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and there's some idiot outfitters that feel any handgun isn't up to taking an elk cleanly. it's ridiculous. i can shoot a 416 rigby round that won't make a frontal shot on an elephant if i choose my bullet poorly but if i choose my bullet carefully, i can make the same shot with a .44 mag. | |||
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which is why we have people that PREFER to hunt deer with a 223 or 22 hornet .. every game warden knows a 22lr CAN kill a deer ... bang, twitched, flop ... illegal, but the results are there to speak for themselves.... i don't have a problem with the gun or ammo .. i have a problem with the jackhole pulling the trigger opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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you are avoiding my entire point.. i DO have a problem with the hunter, not the gear .. the show boating while the animal was still falling wasn't cricket opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Plus a Million!!!! | |||
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Whity?? That's a first.....  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Judging by your BS I'd say I am a lot more literate than you and your double talk BS If the cartridge worked as shown in the video then it defies logic to call it inadequate. If inadequate then it would not have worked I am a lot of things but a liar I am not and you are proving to be a prick of the highest magnitude _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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You reading and comprehension skills need a bit of work. I don't like Glocks, do not own a Glock and do not intened to own a Glock Again as I have posted before not my first choice, not one that I would recommened, but was very obvious from the video that it was adequate on that elk. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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so, a 22LR used on a deer is adequate? if it wasn't EXCEPTIONAL, it wouldn't have been taped and presented -- some thing i told the dude in longrange calling 900+ yards with a "pistol" as a chip shot.. if it wasn't EXCEPTIONAL it wouldn't be bragged about and the dude, in the elk video, is certainly celebrating as if it COULDN'T be done. and my problem STILL is his over celebration a 22LR in the eye would have dropped it quicker and cleaner, just saying opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I haven't flipped flopped at all the video shows the elk killed, and if the cartridge had been INADEQUATE then the elk would NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED Seems a bit too much for a few to comprehend it seems _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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You are comming up with more total BS "adequate" or "worked well" You call that a "huge difference"??? What planet are you on  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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the guy in the video celebrated like every other hunter i've ever seen in a video or in the field when their animal falls. he used an appropriate bullet, made an appropriate shot at an appropriate range. what's not to like. i guess the disease at the big bore forums is bleeding over a bit. if this trend continues we'll soon be to the point that a 500 smith is the only pistol adequate to hunt deer with and then only barely. i limit my shots on elk to 125 and in with a 454 and 475, a bit longer with a scope and a rest, i limit them to sub 100 yards with a 44 mag and would i go after elk with a 45 acp or a 10 mm, absolutely, i would just appropriately adjust range to 50 yards or less. if i were using a 30/06 i am a 400 and in kinda guy. it's where i'm comfortable. if i'm using my 30/378, i'll go further, if i'm using a 45/70 rifle, 200 and in for me. does that somehow make my 454 or 475 a less than adequate weapon b/c of the range restrictions necessary to use a pistol? if someone else is comfortable at different ranges i hesitate to start calling names and i insist the same goes towards me. a few less stones should be cast around here imho. | |||
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so, a22lr is an adequate deer round, by your reasoning, right? after all, this pig is as big as most deer, in weight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Rc3U&feature=related opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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If death is the goal and the animal is dead then by definition it is adequate Are you people this obtuse and pissy by birth or do you work at it. Just curriuos?? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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The definition of adequate by the Webster's New World dictionary is enough for what is required, sufficient, suitable. Given the elk was brought to bag, it was enough for what was required at the time. This leaves us with the sufficient and suitable which is the point of this discussion. jeffe, I know several people who make the .22LR cartridge seem most adequate for deer as that is what they have filled their freezers with for years. If you don't deem it suitable, that's fine. The early mountain men shot and killed elk with blackpowder weapons which are anemic compared to the latest wonderboomers made available. Once upon a time, the lowly .44-40 WCF was the hot new powerful cartridge. If anyone on this board doesn't agree with the tactics used on this video, just say so and let it go. The elk was killed with a .45 ACP and that is that. Whether or not you agree doesn't make the animal any less dead. If you don't want to use one don't. Continuing to belabor your point isn't gaining you any ground, moderator or not. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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yes sir.. i appologise for belabouring the point opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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jwp475: Sounds like you have some follow-up info...do you know where the second shot hit? BTW, I didn't say he missed with the first shot. dvnv | |||
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Don`t confuse them with facts!!!! | |||
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Well, this thread was getting more subjective than objective. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I don't know why I allowed this to get under my skin. I would normally have thought this was kinda neat. jwp475 my appologies. I sat back and realized this is an example of something we as handgun hunters need to support and not argue about. I amended my first post and deleted the rest. I feel better now. Andy We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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I dunno.....maybe it's just me but it seemed like he killed the elk with his Glock .45ACP. Took a couple of shots but what the heck....so do a lot of us. I didn't think that a .45ACP would be able to perform like this so I learned something. I was more interested in the fact of the hunt taking place on a high fence elk farm here in Idaho. Most of the hunting community here in the state takes a dim view of these operations. JMHO. | |||
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I have shot a lot of elk and I have seen even more killed in person. Something doesn't seem right with this kill. First off the bullet appears to have broken the shoulder and exited this bull. At the hit the dirt flew behind the bull. The bull hold his leg like a shoulder hit. I might be totally wrong here but I don't think the 45 ACP has that kind of steam behind it. I have a 5" Kimber SS TLE/RL II. I load for mine and to be honest I don't see the energy there to do what this video wants us to think he did. At the second shot the bull falls over like he was pole axed. Brain shots pull their legs up. I don't think it was a brain shot. I don't know. While I saw the video I didn't see anything that proved he did it with the 45 ACP. I am sorry if I make anyone mad. I just don't see the power there for what happened. Ron | |||
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The only dust I see looks like it came off the elk. I can't see that the bullet passed through. I do think he swears under his breath after the first shot..I'm thinking he didn't want to hit where he did. I don't think I would have tried to punch the shoulder with a .45 acp, though it seemed to work. I'd still like to know where shot #2 hit. dvnv | |||
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Ok I watched it a couple more times. What I saw was the dirt off the elk. Since there was no pass through?? I don't know, maybe. Ron | |||
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they guy seems to be concerned more about his ego and being a tv show host not impresses with him however shows that a 45 cal boolit is still a reasonable choice at 7 yds | |||
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Just in case anyone missed it, Glock is one of the sponsors of his TV show. | |||
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Every time you see a product pointed out like that on a show it is payed for. | |||
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Did the show or did he relate that the distance was 7 yards? I missed that part and it makes some sense to get that close on an elk farm. The poor bull probably thought the shooter was bringing him some more hay. | |||
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Didn't look like a farm to me and the animal certainly had no idea he was near. But maybe I'm wrong. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The shooter talked about shooting a management bull like the one he shot or going higher up to shoot a trophy bull. Any time some one talks about shooting a management bull, deer ect its a game farm. | |||
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I must have passed over that part. When they blather, I fast forward. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Wonder if he used that laser to aim?  | |||
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Didn't see a red dot on the bull really that close you wouldn't think he would had too. Most likely if he did very legal on a game farm. | |||
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Definitely a game farm. See opening credits and their web site Its 1200 acres of high fenced property in Idaho. That equates out to 1.875 square miles and I think they said that they release 20-25 animals out of the pens into the high fenced area. Hardly the high country primitive area hunting Idaho is famous for. Many of these TV shows are filmed on such locations. When you see a mature bull elk looking at you at close distance it usually isn't a back country hunt. Those critters are smart. I've chased them around in many parts of Idaho for many years and they are only vulnerable during the rut. Very smart. The poor bull probably thought it was time to eat and thought the Warren had a bale of hay for him in his pocket. That's more acreage than many of the elk farms we have here in Idaho unfortunately and they are a blight on big game hunting, wild elk health, and are on the road out here in Idaho. | |||
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Like I said, I fast forwarded past all the blather -- and quickly after the shooting to avoid the back slapping. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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My comment is that I would like to see the raw footage of this video--before it was edited. I have seen enough hunts that were on video, that the edited footage was no where near what really happened. Not commenting on this video, just a comment due to past observations. Cheers, PG | |||
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