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I agree. Ron | |||
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Good grief this is the high fence game farm I believe it is on the salmon river road east of riggins on the way to vinegar creek landing. Talking about caliber and such in this situation is the same as talking about caliber to shoot bessy the milk cow. A bucket of oats and a hammer would have probably done the trick. If shooting a high fence elk is your deal fine, but don't dress up in camo and prentend your hunting in Idaho's prinmitive area. here's a couple bulls in a high fence south of riggins. turn a couple loose in a fenced in area and you got yourself a elk hunt  | |||
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elk behind a game fence die the same and from the same weapons as elk do in a national forest. they're not somehow tougher. doesn't look like a challenging hunt but it is what it is and he got some good meat and had good performance from his firearm of choice. | |||
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Thank you for saying that. Fence or no fence doesn't diminish the fact that he got a good kill. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I have killed a whitetail buck and a mule deer buck with a 45 ACP. I must say I was impressed with how well and fast the 45 ACP worked on that elk. I have seen them shot with 300 Mags that did not work that fast... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I disagree with the statement that pen raised animals are just as tough to kill as a wild animal. | |||
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that animal was well hit - pen raised, house raised, out in the wild raised makes no difference. even if you want it to be so, you cant argue with the fact that it was well hit. well you can argue if you want, but to what end Bob | |||
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You missed the point. Not an argument about how well hit the bull was in the video. Opinion is about how much tougher wild elk are than pen raised elk. Simple. My opinion comes from seeing the difference between the two. Simple can be hard for some. | |||
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How large is this High Fenced ranch??? DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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"How large is this High Fenced" I couldn't tell you how large it is. I've driven by it a few times and have driven by a few other "shooter bulls" places here in Idaho. I can tell you that the captive high fence elk I've seen in Idaho are tame like cattle. Idaho is strong on private property rights and if a rancher wants to raise elk so be it. If some out of stater wants to come in and buy an elk and shoot it, that's his right. We had a political candidate here in idaho that was involved in shooter bull preserves and maybe you have to be from Idaho to understand that these shooter bull places hit a raw nerve. It's funny, my buddy couldn't make it elk hunting this last year. He was running low on meat and there was an elk ranch out by King Hill that was selling cow elk cheap. Cheaper than you could get a steer. They'd cut and wrap 'em for you. So he makes arrangement to get his cow elk and the guy at the ranch asked him if he wanted to come out and shoot it. Pretty funny, I mean these are tame animals. He declined. He probably should have taken an old 38 serice revolver and popped it behind the ear and made a hunting video. | |||
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Decided to join, and jump right into the weeds here ;^) First, while the video is about harvesting an elk with a 45 acp, you have to take into account the entire context of the video, and what he does. I feel that is open for discussion because of what he does. So I do agree that the location seems like fair game. I am completely cool with game farms. But, on a hunting show I think perhaps more obvious disclosure would have been better. Not because elk are any tougher in the wild v. ranch, but their behavior will be different, and as such the hunt will be different. That elk had them pegged. In 25 or so years of chasing wild elk, I can probably count on one hand the number of bulls that would have not bolted, asap. Cows are worse in herds, as that is their "job". So there was the hunter, the camera man and the guide. That elk knew they were there. It was a young bull, but not spike age dumb. Even a single called in public land will usually be less tolerant of so much activity in front of his nose. So for the hunter viewing the show, who might have inclinations to strap on his trusty self defense 1911 and head to the west to hunt public land, a little more information might have been a tad more ethical. Or helpful to the viewer. And fwiw, likley the side shot of him shooting was filmed after the hunt. That is a guess, as it would have made for 2 camera men, the hunter and the guide. If so, I have no problem with doing that for cinematic recreation. But I would not place a lot of stock in what he may or may not look to be muttering. It also would have been nice to see him holster his gun before doing the happy dance. He never pointed it unsafely, but I promise you the guide probably felt something about that. So, as to the shot and performance of his weapon, looks pretty good to me. A harvested critter. As to the rest, I kinda put it up there with others in the industry who promote how easy it is to go west and harvest an elk. There is usually a whole lotta the rest of the story that needs to be told. Or at least discussed. Craig | |||
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SMOKED !! and with video evidence what the arguing about?? | |||
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Who knows.....  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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From one of my posts in this thread: quote: Originally posted by Whitworth: Didn't look like a farm to me and the animal certainly had no idea he was near. But maybe I'm wrong. Definitely a game farm. See opening credits and their web site Its 1200 acres of high fenced property in Idaho. That equates out to 1.875 square miles and I think they said that they release 20-25 animals out of the pens into the high fenced area. Hardly the high country primitive area hunting Idaho is famous for. Many of these TV shows are filmed on such locations. When you see a mature bull elk looking at you at close distance it usually isn't a back country hunt. Those critters are smart. I've chased them around in many parts of Idaho for many years and they are only vulnerable during the rut. Very smart. The poor bull probably thought it was time to eat and thought the Warren had a bale of hay for him in his pocket. That's more acreage than many of the elk farms we have here in Idaho unfortunately and they are a blight on big game hunting, wild elk health, and are on the road out here in Idaho. | |||
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