Natchez shooters supply currently has CCI large rifle primers but is limiting purchases to 5000 at a time. No small rile or large rifle magnum.

I know someone who has driven all over a couple big cities trying to buy Gold ounces at spot price +$50.

None can be had.
In Seattle, there are 30,000 customers waiting for their Gold. It takes 5 weeks.
For spot price +$300 one can get Gold from Ebay in one week.

This is an aspect of the grand business cycle.
The Gold and primer demand went through a huge increase in demand, and production needs to change to catch up.

The makers of primers cannot be anxious to change production rates too dramatically, given the panic over Obama will end and brass prices may go up again. In addition, huge inflation is expected with in a year, and primer companies will be laying off, not hiring.

Given Obama's spending with no other way to pay, the printing press will make these dollars worth allot less.

What we need is a lefty socialist, communist leaning president who won't bother the 2nd, working hard to insure that primers are distributed equally to all, including undocumented citizens, citizens with out the means to buy them, citizens with deep pockets, no pockets , or with bullets without primers, and a much more efficient system of distribution than mere capitalism. Why, they ought to be studied and distributed much as health care will in the near future. Oh, yes, I forgot. Pay for play tickets would be valid too, as will, cronyism, corruption, chicanery, outright lying, and the very generous "RANGEL RULE" for primers.

Well just FYI so those who don't know me won't think I was a Hording .

I haven't purchased primers in nearly 3 years now !.

I buy loading components in Bulk as I shoot between 5K & 8K rounds a year excluding shotgun which is

near another 3K per year . So when I buy primers for an example I purchase Cases of Cartons

not a box of 100 or a sleeve of 1K . Carton is 5K least wise in my thinking .

It's why I still have Fed M primers in addition too regular and Winchester as well .

I sincerely doubt this current shortage is due too Hording . I believe it's far more sinister

and involved than we dare imagine !.

I also removed all of my money from the Stock market in 2003 and went into the commodity market !.

Am I some kind of genius fortune teller palm reader that predicts the future ?. NO

I'm simply an astute study which reads between the lines and thinks out side the Box and is put off

by those who attempt to regulate a perfectly safe and enjoyable Second Amendment Right !.

Punish those perpetrators who break the Law , don't manipulate and punish the masses for others acts

of stupidity !.

However this is exactly how the current administration justify taking away from those who prosper

and distribute too those who don't !. I notice it's NEVER with their own money though only the tax

payers !. I still believe the Civil War is coming .

Just got back from the local Cabela's. The same one that had tens of thousands of the Fed 215 primers just a few months ago now has ZERO Fed primers of any kind. Not much else of any brand for that matter, unless you are reloading shotshells.

They did have a good selection of bullets, brass and powder however.

Ken....

emron

Where the hell do you get this crap and I heard a rumor it's same crap happened with clinton powder and primers.

Guys like you start this stuff and we all pay because you open your mouth about some rumor.

IT ALL ABOUT HORDING AND MONKEY BOY MANIA.

I am more inclined to think the shortage is more from diversion to military production. I am sure there is some panic buying and some hoarding as well. I normally buy 10 to 20k at a time to offset the hazmat fees. All I know is I am almost completely out and am having a tough time finding any.

Well Morons or not regardless of political affiliations there are NO Rifle Primers Large or Small

to be had in 4 States I was able to check . Granted No I can't check every town or gun shop

I had several fellow shooters contact me from different states and made calls too relatives .

SAME STORY !. Even in small out of the way places their GONE !.


So Raise the BS flag all you want sling whatever BS you wish label it too whatever crisis you

want . THEIR GONE !. Some places are not showing Back Order availability which I find Extremely ODD !.

Remember this Rumor or BS is truth , when the facts become a reality !

I have small rifle and large rifle primers....
They're next door and I haven't checked stock for a while but can send if necessary.....the Hazmat is stiff however!

is it possible that they won't do a backorder because they simply don't know when they will be caught up???

With the economy as it is, many powder companies have laid off employees. The same is probably true of the primer companies. If they have to pay OT to get the stock out, the price goes up too. I'm not quite ready to hit the panic button yet.

I understand that "some" of you do go through lots of primers and powder. But there are lots of Joe blow's out there who are stocking up for decades of loading because they are skeerd that Big Brother is going to start knocking on their door. Just like the stupid Iowa scare about the national guard taking weapons away!

I have worked at a large sporting goods store in Billings, Mt for the last 11 years. We are having a devil of a time getting anything for reloading except Nosler bullets. We trickle in primers most every week, but they are scooped off the shelf as soon as we display them. Small rifle have been history anywhere around here for quite some time. I get calls from all the surrounding cities, and states asking what we have. We got a bunch of Winchester large rifle primers in today. We also have CCI benchmark large rifle primers on the shelf. At least they were there when I left work at 5 today. Sierra bullets are almost extinct. Just a little information for you to digest.

Plenty of small rifle primers out there.....just that most people don't want to pay the price. Going anywhere from $40-$100+ per 1000 on Gunbroker

Don't blame me, I report.....you decide.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti...m.asp?Item=124562729

WOW someone must want those Win small rifle primers REAL BAD !. $ 105.01 per 1K !!!.

Plus $ Haz Mat and shipping PT Barnum was correct !.

I would agree that company's have laid off employee's including Federal ( I know this for fact )

Yet if Primers are in such sort supply , why wouldn't the company be pumping them out ALL company's ?.

It's a CLEAR source of revenue and positive cash flow is it not .

It's a scam....
If you and get together and agree that I'll sell something and you bid it up way beyond reason and between us nothing ever changes hands then the next time we have something for sale the past sale will set a precident for future sales.....

If it was in the business world it would be prosecuted as price fixing.

Look it's hording and panic buying that is driving this, shotgun is not being effected at all there is plenty of shot wads and 209 primers powder is sometime limited because a cross over with pistol powder any powder that is used primarly as a shotgun powder is in stock or ordered right away.

Where I buy my reloading stuff Small rifle primers have been out for the last year+ they have everything else as of yesterday some pistol and rifle powder is hard to get his supply told him it's oboma factor in play CCI is going 24/7 on primers.

If you don't remember the clinton years or mainly 1993 then you have nothing to compair it too, it will all level out. sure it doesen't help you now but remember it's all about CHANGE and some of you vote for that.

I jusdt paid $70 for federal 215ms and $65 for 210s - way to much, but I have them .. and i am offering 1/2 of my find for sale.

hunt-ducks,

quote:

Guys like you start this stuff and we all pay because you open your mouth about some rumor

It is no rumor, friend. There is a severe shortage of primers, and Midway does indicate no backorders will be accepted.

What the cause/causes are, i dont know. I HOPE its just hoarding or the war effort.
I posted on this topic to get information from other members.
Please dont be so ready to raise the BS flag.

FYI the "no backorders" info from midway means only that the supplier has not furnished a commitment date for future orders.

Midway will not sell what they can't get as their system don't work well with that type issues.

There is a shortage of primers available to our business. We get what we can, but that does not seem to be enough lately. If we put 5000 on the shelf, the first person in the door will take them all. The price has gone up dramatically from the manufacturers, but not as much as indicated in earlier posts would suggest. Large rifle are going for around 39 dollars a thousand at the store. CCI Benchrest are about 10 dollars more. We had Federal 210's in abundance, but they were scarfed up so fast it was unreal. Like I said, one person takes everything that is on the shelf. I think hoarding is the problem. They will probably die with all those primers on their shelf!!
In the business so I know what is happening out there.

quote:

In the business so I know what is happening out there.

In the last primer shortage (also Democrat induced) back twenty or so years ago, one local store actually refused to sell primers to anyone that could not show a NRA card.....

"FYI the "no backorders" info from midway means only that the supplier has not furnished a commitment date for future orders.
"



Not only that but if they did allow backorders they would have 100,000 of them within minutes. It makes sense they are not allowing them.

This is panic buying and hording plain and simple. When you get one person coming in and buying every primer they have in the store there is no other explaination. And all the internt hype of bannning ammo and taxing everything to do with it is just throwing fuel on the fire. Every person that reads a post like this on the interent becomes just one more person that will buy every primer they can get there hands on even if they don't need them or will never use that many. This same exact thing happened during the clinton years. I just hope it ends soon Im starting to run low on stuff.

2drifters,
why not limit to 1000 or 500 primers per customer till supplys start increasing?

Not only primers, take a hunt for 1X 223, 308 brass, also common loaded ammunition like 7.62 x 39.......add certain powder shortages and loss of military brass coming to reloaders, I believe this is one time the sportsman and reloaders have banded together in a common drive to get it while they can......r in s.

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Originally posted by Skidly:
2drifters,
why not limit to 1000 or 500 primers per customer till supplys start increasing?

We try and do that, but no matter what is on the shelf, it is all gone in a heart beat. We limit the shelf to 2000 at a time, but they are gone so fast you can't believe it. We only get about 20 to 30 thousand at a time, and that is very seldom. We have been fortunate lately that our supplier has shared whatever they can with us. Most places in Billings have none. We also have purchase orders in to CCI, Winchester, Federal and Remington direct. No response from any of the manufacturers. I would like to know what is going on with Sierra bullets. They are impossible to get lately. Doesn't matter what caliber, the shelf is empty, and none are available.
Semper Fi

Does Canada make any primers? Did a small hunt for places but can't find any manufacturing sites...........r in s.

The manufacturers rather sell it to USA or NATO, since they can charge a lot more for them. Plain and simple economics 101. If you need primers you have to hit the small gun stores. I have bought Fed primers that were made in 1994 and deliver great performance.

Can anyone show me any articles of anyone in the industries of primers, powder or bullets being laid off. I have a relative in bullet making and a friend making brass and they have added people and are running full bore.

According too Federal Cartridge company Ammunition side they have laid off employee's .

I believe it's posted on their own web site .

Ray in Seattle : Is also correct Military .50 cal and under are now ordered destroyed rather than made

available by surplus . This process used to be delegated by the States as Military brass was considered

a surplus salable item . NO LONGER ! It now comes as a Federal mandate too the DoD

as signed by head puppet on Feb. 09 . As those are covered under Code E and no longer under State

jurisdiction as too Surplus or scrap . NOW SCRAP under new DoD regulation order !.

http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/102-37...ion-surplus-19786672

http://www.dlis.dla.mil/demil/demil_codes.asp

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Originally posted by emron:
SO why would midway have "NO BACK ORDER" ON THEIR SITE?
has anyone else heard the rumor that govt is contemplating replacing present primers with short lived ones with a short shelf life

Here is your Quote Bud

it's frigging amazing I was at a local reloading supply place on Sat. he has every FC primer in stock except 215GM and Sm Rifle all Win. except Sm Rifle same with CCI, FC 215 for $27.00 M AND I STILL BOUGHT A 1000 215 WHEN I HAVE 9000 IN MY RELOADING ROOM SHIT I'M A HOARDER PANIC BUYER why did I read this thread.

2drifters -

good to see you here! thanks for your level-headed posts on this issue and for posting facts instead of headless chickens!

i bought 500 wnchester small rifle primers last week - no fuss, no hassle. i could get 500 more today if i needed them, but it will probably take the next 10 years to use these....

Many obama supporters here and still in denial over the change he wants to bring. Think next of healthcare rationing for us, the rich go to A clinic in Bermuda. No gas for us either, maybe rationed wind power electricy, nothing in process to replace coal & oil but hopey changey, no military on the borders, but ms-13 for sure. WAKE UP AMERICA !

we can go back two or three years and find posts raving about primers. obama's only been in office since january.

paranoid chicken-littles are the cause of this, not obama, although i agree he is absolutely no friend to gunowners and vigilance is absolutely required, hence the primer "shortage...."

quote:

Originally posted by tnekkcc:
I know someone who has driven all over a couple big cities trying to buy Gold ounces at spot price +$50.

None can be had.
In Seattle, there are 30,000 customers waiting for their Gold. It takes 5 weeks.
For spot price +$300 one can get Gold from Ebay in one week.

This is an aspect of the grand business cycle.
The Gold and primer demand went through a huge increase in demand, and production needs to change to catch up.

The makers of primers cannot be anxious to change production rates too dramatically, given the panic over Obama will end and brass prices may go up again. In addition, huge inflation is expected with in a year, and primer companies will be laying off, not hiring.

Given Obama's spending with no other way to pay, the printing press will make these dollars worth allot less.

Tell your friend that I will sell him Credit Suisse 1 Troy Oz Gold Bars in their original plastic for spot + $60, shipping free (registered mail) if he takes 5 or more. 1 oz Krugers would be spot plus $75. Some other types bullion coins available at very competitive prices. He can lock in spot anytime, but he has to send payment, cashier's check or PMO (for lesser quantities) that day via Fed X or Express mail or wire transfer if he prefers.

You are correct on the Federal layoff. After ADDING 150 workers last year to catch up, they are will be up to 80 layed off. Not quite as sinister after you see that it still has an increased workforce from a year ago.

I stand corrected about the layoffs at federal. They cut a little more than half of the employees they ADDED to catch up on the back orders.