No doubt about it.
Accurate Reloading is the best forum on the net.None of the others cover so many different subjects.
Of course there is a lot of BSin'. It would be rather dull without it.I enjoy the bickering,even when it comes down to promised gunfights. (i.e. Political Forum.)
As far as learning reloading,gunsmithing and general shooting skills,it's all right here.If ya don't see it, ask.
The guys over in Cast Bullets got me bit by the casting bug.Sure,you can buy factory cast bullets,but they don't give ya the satisfaction of casting/lubing/sizing/loading and shooting your own.I'm hooked.
The meek or Tourrette sufferers should stay out of the Political Forum. Although that is where you will find the best humor.And the best BSing.

I can honestly say that I shoot and I hunt.

And that's no bullshit! Promise.

My way of telling the biggest BS'ers is to keep watch for those that mostly answer questions and never ASK any. These types have obviously deemed themselves all knowing,..and therefore they are the ones to avoid. I answer based on my experience, and ask when I need help or a fresh point of view.

Bullshit! (Just kidding). So many questions get asked more than once that I can usually find answers to most of mine with the search function. I hate to be the one that asks the same thing for the 957th time.

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Originally posted by congomike:
Does this mean that I should give up my dreams of the 45-70 guide gun that shoots 400 gr. bullets at 2600fps and can go through 12 cape buffalo end to end???? All those posts may have been BS!!!????

thats the best laugh ive had all week, thanks...this comming from a avid 45-70 guide gun guy. b.t.w. just one buff lengthwise with garrets tungsten load @ 1700fps oops thats b.s. until i try it myself.

I know the simple stuff is asked 957 times,..but the more complex questions usually are very specific to the caliber/powder/twist/ etc that they can only relate to one individual situation. I will search if I have to ask about the best powder for a XXgr pill in an ABC chambering and so on,..as I know there are pages and pages on those questions. But,..as you know a lot of users are first time forum users still to this day,..and the whole "search" or "post pic" thing or even a PM remains an enigma to them until they have some time under their belt. I try not to flame the new guys for asking questions that have been answered a million times,..they have to start somewhere, and hey,..at least they asked first.

Heck,..I just like talking about guns and hunting and loading and shooting and scopes, and mounts and barrels and triggers and actions and stocks and,.........what were we talking about again??

Like anything take everything here with a grain of salt, have an open mind, be able to ignore.

One thing for sure is you do get alot of bull shit with "Ã use xyz, it's the best period in the whole universe period, anything other than xyz will fail".......often it reeks of a little self justification & insecurity.

The truth be told this topic is all made up of lies, lies and more lies.

When it comes to reloading and shooting, the combined expertise of the folks here is incredible. When I have a problem that I really can't find an answer to, I bring it here.

Some of the discussions on relaoding and ballistics are so esoteric that I really have to strain to follow them. I am not always sure who "wins" these discussions, but just be a witness is informative.

I feel sorry for the folks who know a little bit, ask for some help, and get responses from persons only slightly ahead of them in experience. Fortunately, when someone gets really bum advice or one of us makes a typo or similar mistake, as I have, there are those who correct us. I personally am not offended by this, am glad the error got caught, and am pleased others pay that level of attention.

Except for the obvious contentious issues like 45/70, the best way to judge pressure, and Leupold scopes v. whatever, I think this forum contains a lot less BS that the Congressional Record! Kudude

All I can tell you is that I look like Poletax' avatar immediately after seeing Tiggertates avatar!

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Originally posted by HunterMontana:
As far as elk, mule deer and antelope? PPPPLEASEEEE, I've killed more of these animals than some of these guys will ever see. When someone starts ponitficating on what works for antelpoe and they've killed exactly 3 in their career, I've averaged 2 to 3 a year for longer than I care to count, I find it kinda cute.

The B.S.er's need to be aware that there are some people out there with actual experience but no interest in confrontation. When I read prue B.S. I just think, Jackass, and move on.
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So, HunterMontana.
A lot of good posts here INCLUDING yours.

But you got me to thinking, as I reckon I've run into quite a few so called experenced pro's with some very strange ideas.
As a very general example, and possibly not correct, the New Zealand red deer cullers have used ex mil .303's and probably with ex mil ammo. And also Rem.222's. So does this make the above choises right? by experence?

And if you or anyone else has used something successfully for years, say a .222R, 300WM,or 460 Weatherby, does that make a newbe that recommends say a .270 a complete dickhead?

Like you I have no experence with Africa, but if some character told me he was going Elephant hunting with a 45/70, would I be a B.S.er or Jackass if I recomended a CRF .458 Lott?
(Gee, I think I read that somewhere.)

Maybe common sense beats a lifetime of makeshift success?

Come on now, some of us are counting on you confronting the b.s.'ers so we know what's what.

b.s.? not me, maybe not brag about a few little stuff-ups now and then.

John L.

Lawndart, DJ, and Triggergate--I always enjoy your perspectives, and as is often the case, I agree with ya'lls comments on this thread.

Regards--Don

It is often difficult to separate anecdote and personal tastes, which are often presented here as the latest and greatest, and the reality of things. I believe there are a myriad of approaches to the business of hunting, shooting, and reloading, all roughly equal and likely to succeed in the hands of a competent person. This is a hobby, and folks have different tastes in entertainment and hobby enjoyment. Some like working with classical calibers and bullets, others seek out the largest-and-greatest magnums. This variation is expressed in the large number of topics available and threads started on this forum.

These variations on the “truth†are confounded by hyperbole presented by the various manufacturers, who want to sell more merchandise – merchandise often presented as must-have “improvements†over the past. This sells more powder, bullets, guns, etc. Some of these new products are improvements, but many aren’t. Indeed, the old venerable 30-06 chambered in a pre-64 Winchester model 70 with a 24†barrel and 4-power Weaver scope is still more than adequate to harvest all North American big game. Although newer slow-burning powders and advanced loading techniques have somewhat increased performance (e.g., Hornaday Light Magnum and Federal High-Energy ammo), this same 30-06, using factory ammo loaded in the 50’s, will work quite well today.

Moreover, we often have “BIG†arguments over the merits of a myriad of reloading components that are essentially equivalent – of which, successful use is more dependent on the competence of the shooter/hunter than actual differences in component quality. A recent discussion over the merits or demerits of Nosler BTs vs. Nosler Partitions (and the like) is a very good example. I doubt if my trophy wall would look any different had I used either bullet type. Nonetheless, I believe such discussions often devolve in bullshit threads as various points are overstated.

Nonetheless, I’ve picked up a few useful points from folks who have real data, but none of which (thus far) have substantively changed how I do things. This is likely true for most of those who've made this a life-long hobby.

DJ;
I didn't mean to get anyone riled, but when you hear about all the guns of the same caliber that a person owns, some of it is BS and some is not! I'd guess that when you read about how may of us own so many guns of the same caliber that about 30% is BS! Who's to know! I have 20 guns, all are different chamberings except 3 22LR's!
The way I see it, this and a lot of other FORUMS are probably running anywhere from 5 to 25% BS, depending on the topic being discussed!
Again, I didn't mean to step on your toes, but sometimes we hear things enough and we feel the need to speak our minds!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chuck White:
I wouldn't have any idea what percentage is BS, but I'd say it's up there further than most think it is!.............................................................................................
Another one is when someone says they have X number of 243's, X number of 308's, etc, etc, etc!
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Chuck, an open mind sometimes can be a good thing. Not being an owner of a gunshop but thinking that I owned a pretty decent collection (which includes 11 308's but only 1 243) I've seen a few that put mine to shame. Some people, myself included spend way too much on this stuff!...................DJ

like i told a friend this is the best forum i know of i said you will figure out pretty quick who you should listen to--i said if it said atkinson pay pretty close attention.

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if it said atkinson pay pretty close attention.

Agreed.....I don't always agree with Ray but I always read with respect. No bullshit....says it like he sees it......and he's seen a lot.

When I ask a question I always expect to find people with a lot of different answers. Everyone’s experience is different and from one firearm manufacture to another, and the results will vary a lot. This being said if several people agree on the same point I will take it into consideration and weigh the facts. If I don't agree I will voice why and then wait for a response on why I am right or wrong. I have learned a lot on this site and have a lot of respect for the people that have taken time to help me and that is no

On several subjects it does seem like the quest for the holy grail to try and get a genuine unbiased response. However I have taken an awfull lot of really excellent information in from ARF.

I remember another thread that had a similar gist as this one and old Dutch came up with the little jewell "its not unlike having a conversation in a coffee shop, you take from it what is usefull and disreguard the bullshit".

I know this is a sour subject for some folks, but I wish Jack Belk still came around on occasion. I learned a LOT from that guy.

I honestly think that this is far and away one of the better forums I've seen. That being said I still have to think BS on alot of stuff I've seen. Honestly have yet to see more than 1 or 2 over 1 inch rifles, just for instance. I've huinted all my life, but in know way can I say that I'm an expert, there is not a season that goes by that I've not learned something. As I'm sure I've mentioned a few too many times I have a friend that has killed every NA game available, all with a 7 mag. Those are the peolple I most trust. But don't get me wrong, thids is far and away the best I've seen and will continue to be here for a long while, at least as long as I can. Thanks to all the good posters.

BTW, let me clarify that I'd never question any individual on this board. It's more of a matter of averages. Out of x amount of people there just has to be x amount of BS>

I like what MontanaHunter has to say, and I am only a "low time" hunter (only been hunting for 35 years, only once to Africa) and I agree on the BS quotient. Obviously, a LOT of folks have never seen a rifle, shotgun, or handgun let go for real, not a pretty sight, and Oh My God, but there is another group that believes everything the current cast of gun writers has to say (makes me upchuck routinely), but this is an open forum for all to sound off. There is no way a .308 WCF can equal a .300 Mag, nor can either cartridge be fired as quietly as a .22 Hornet. By the same token, I don't think I'd like to join the ranks of the DG hunters on this site, except for one thing, Are there really as many people going to Africa and shooting Cape Buffalo as chat on this website? I been there, done that, have the cap and pics, and I don't need a Cape Buffalo on the mantle, yet I do get a kick out of the .375 vs 9.3mm, vs .416, vs .458, vs .470 discussions, which my Grand daddy taught me to take with a big grain of salt 30 years ago. BS, if ya smells it, it probably is.
LLS