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Hey guys, I've been reloading for rifle, handgun, and shotgun for over 40 years. I recently picked up a Ruger #1, that's been rebarreled for the 454 Casull. I shoot this caliber in a revolver. I'm assuming any load that's safe in my revolver should be fine in a long gun. I know the velocities should be greater out of a long barrel. However, is there anything I should be aware of or look out for. Just looking for a little insight. Thanks, Dave | ||
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Just shoot your revolver loads. You could easily see a few hundred fps increase in velocity. | |||
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If it were my rifle, even the very strong Ruger #1, the brass would be the problem. Even though the pressure drops after a few milliseconds of bullet movement the "extra time" the pressure stays higher due to the longer bullet is in a barrel, I would drop the load down to start with and look for pressure signs as you worked up to the max pistol loads. Just saying.... I've been reloading since '64 and would hate to see anyone get hurt because of failed pistol brass. Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club NRA Endowment Member President NM MILSURPS | |||
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What powder are you using? I don't know about 454 Casull, but in 500 S&W mag rifle loads some shooters are going from fast pistol powders to Accurate 1680 or CFE BLK. I like the latter. Cleaner and maybe lower pressure. Maybe this helps. brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Look up Leverguns articles. They had one on the 454 in the Rossi 92. If a Rossi can take the loads he listed, a No 1 certainly can. | |||
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the 454 has a maximum pressure map. all the firearms ever made in 454 are built to take that pressure just fine. | |||
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The max sammi pressure for the .454 is 65,000 CUP. Thats up there with a 300 Weatherby and higher than most rifle ammo. Single action revolvers like a Ruger or Freedom Arms are way stronger than many people understand. You don't really need to load this one up to "rifle" pressures...LOL. Might want to load it down a little.... | |||
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You'll find there's a hell of a lot more recoil in the rifle. I sure did with a .45 Colt. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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I was really surprised how much my 44mag Ruger 96 carbine recoiled. | |||
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Thanks for all the replies. Gives me a few things to think about. | |||
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I have an encore MGM 454 barrel 20 " I use IMR 4227. There's loading info for it in the Hornaday magazine loading guide. Great 100 yd.+ deer gun. I shoot 260 gr bullets between 1600-1900 FPS the book shows there is still room to go. I got it because where I live all the farms are being subdivided and you need a short range gun to safely hunt them. It does kick at the high end but not near as bad as the 460 S&W it replaced. If you handload I would use a slower pistol type powder like 4227 or something like it | |||
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p dog shooter: 44 Mag recoil in rifle? Seriously? Bitman: Write down the load you use. I can check it with QuickLoad for long barrel. Jiri | |||
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I was surprised how sharp the recoil was in that little carbine. Stock design or what ever it is really not very pleasant. So yes seriously. I have other pistol caliber carbines they are a joy to shoot. That little Ruger is not | |||
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I agree. But it is carbine issue, not caliber issue at all. For example: my friend has ZKK rifle in 7x64 caliber. That stock geometry or whatever I don't know is the reason I will not fire that rifle again (I have .585 Hubel Express, but when firing it, you expect something extraordinary, not with common 7x64 rifle). Just jumping from hands up, don't know how to describe accurately. On the other hand, I can shoot my .375 H&H CZ 550 with one hand, no recoil at all. It is interesting stuff how change in stock geometry, wood grain or whatever make such a difference. Jiri | |||
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Jiri, The Ruger #1 has a 22" barrel. I've not shot it yet, but this is what I've loaded to try. Hornady new brass CCI S.R. Mag. primer Win. 296 powder @ 35 gr. 35.5 gr. and 36 grains. Hornady 240 grain XTP-Mag bullet C.O.L. 1.750 I also loaded a few rounds with 14 grains of Unique for plinking. Thanks, Dave | |||
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Cartridge : .454 Casull Magnum (SAAMI) Bullet : .452, 240, Hornady XTP MAG 45220 Useable Case Capaci: 34.596 grain H2O = 2.246 cm3 Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.750 inch = 44.45 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : Winchester 296 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 0,694% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -06,9 98 33,50 2155 2474 38223 2766 92,3 1,206 -06,3 99 33,75 2171 2511 39226 2786 92,6 1,194 -05,6 99 34,00 2187 2549 40257 2805 92,9 1,182 -04,9 100 34,25 2203 2586 41317 2824 93,3 1,170 -04,2 101 34,50 2219 2625 42407 2843 93,6 1,158 -03,5 101 34,75 2235 2663 43528 2861 93,9 1,147 -02,8 102 35,00 2252 2702 44681 2879 94,2 1,136 -02,1 103 35,25 2268 2740 45868 2896 94,5 1,124 -01,4 104 35,50 2284 2780 47088 2913 94,8 1,113 -00,7 104 35,75 2300 2819 48345 2929 95,1 1,102 +00,0 105 36,00 2316 2859 49639 2945 95,3 1,092 +00,7 106 36,25 2332 2898 50971 2960 95,6 1,081 +01,4 107 36,50 2348 2939 52343 2975 95,9 1,071 +02,1 107 36,75 2364 2979 53756 2989 96,1 1,060 +02,8 108 37,00 2380 3020 55213 3003 96,4 1,050 +03,5 109 37,25 2396 3061 56714 3016 96,6 1,040 ! Near Maximum ! | |||
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Cartridge : .454 Casull Magnum (SAAMI) Bullet : .452, 240, Hornady XTP MAG 45220 Useable Case Capaci: 34.596 grain H2O = 2.246 cm3 Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.750 inch = 44.45 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : Alliant UNIQUE Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1,563% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -15,6 66 13,50 1611 1383 28726 1127 100,0 1,505 -14,1 67 13,75 1628 1412 29737 1144 100,0 1,485 -12,5 68 14,00 1644 1441 30769 1160 100,0 1,465 -10,9 69 14,25 1661 1470 31820 1177 100,0 1,446 -09,4 71 14,50 1677 1499 32892 1193 100,0 1,428 -07,8 72 14,75 1694 1529 33985 1209 100,0 1,410 -06,3 73 15,00 1710 1558 35099 1226 100,0 1,393 -04,7 74 15,25 1726 1587 36233 1242 100,0 1,376 -03,1 75 15,50 1742 1616 37389 1258 100,0 1,360 -01,6 77 15,75 1757 1645 38567 1274 100,0 1,344 +00,0 78 16,00 1773 1675 39766 1290 100,0 1,329 +01,6 79 16,25 1788 1704 40987 1306 100,0 1,314 +03,1 80 16,50 1804 1733 42231 1322 100,0 1,300 +04,7 81 16,75 1819 1763 43498 1338 100,0 1,286 +06,3 83 17,00 1834 1792 44788 1354 100,0 1,272 +07,8 84 17,25 1849 1821 46101 1369 100,0 1,259 | |||
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Wow Jiri, That quick load is really something. Thanks, it's greatly appreciated. Dave | |||
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You are welcome. QuickLoad notice: It is just simulation software. Doesn't count with different twist rates, primers, whatever. I found it pretty accurate for some powders (VVN 105, 110...) and pretty inaccurate for another. Especially those with surface "nitroglycerine treatment", such as Alliant RL17 (Reload Swiss 60). Works for me good also for Hodgdon H110, which is now the exactly same as W296 (or W296 is H110). Developed a lot of loads for my .500 S&W revolver. It is absolutely accurate, but for standard primers only (CCI 200). For example 44gr of H110 under Woodleigh 400gr bullet is estimated by QuickLoad for 1638 fps, I chronographed 1644 fps. For RL-17 and .375 H&H with Swift A-frame, it is completely out. Because of it can't simulate that surface coating effect. Jiri | |||
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just use your revolver loads - the ruger #1 or #3 can take more, but don't -- h100/296 loads will surprise you i had to tear down a bunch of 45 colt loads, as they where loaded for a blackhawk, and i got a 625-9 ... while it can take a +p once in a while, a couple hundred rounds would have ruined my favorite gun opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jiri, Just letting you know. I ordered the Quick Load software yesterday. I've heard of it for years, but never really knew what it did. Thanks | |||
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Bitman, I loaded some 454 rounds using the same Hornady 240 XTP and 35 grs 296. They chronod 2060 ft/sec from my Rossi 92. No issues, but the little carbine does jump! | |||
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One of the most accurate bullets in my Rossi 92 is the Lee 300 gr gas checked bullet coupled with a near max load of H110 it does buck some. I did put a better recoil pad on it though. Steve........ NRA Patron Life Member GOA Life Member North American Hunting Club Life Member USAF Veteran | |||
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