grizz,
good work... then again, I've shottumbled ammo in every package of surplus and/or commerical ammo i've ever shot

jeffe

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Originally posted by grizz:Well I did it, now when this comes up again, I can refere to this to educate people.

OKAY,I'll bite. Where are you going to look? You're going to educate the obstructionists and Naysayers. I think not. Any time someone actually does something they (we) leave ourselves open to have what we've done criticized and berated by those that neither have the drive or apptitude to get the job done or at least make an effort. Imagine how many critics and straw bosses Noah had.What is gopher wood? roger

you guys get a standing ovation from this corner of the woods>!!!!!

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Originally posted by vapodog:
you guys get a standing ovation from this corner of the woods>!!!!!

roger

Sorry but 1 type of powder in 1 type of tumber does not a conclusive experiment make. Tumbling loaded rounds may be safe 99 out of 100 times, but the 1 out of 100 times it isn't safe makes it an unsupportable practice especially considering it's limited benefits.................DJ

For those of you who are still interested, there has been a similar thread running on The High Road under Reloading. One of the latest posts is from a representative of Ten-X Ammunition, a maker of cowboy action loads. He said that they have been tumbling completed ammo for 30 years, millions (yes he said millions) of rounds a year, with no problems. They use smokeless powders, so those big old cowboy cases probably have lots of space for the powder to slosh around in during the tumbling. I suspect if any of their customers had had their guns blow up because of powder degradation they would have heard about it.

Personally I think this is a classic case of someone sitting around and realizing that it MIGHT be a problem, and that it is POSSIBLE to degrade powder from tumbling, and therefore we should warn EVERYONE to never do it.

99.999% of the times it will not be a problem, but like anything else, is the .001% worth it?

You gotta decide that for yourself...

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Originally posted by bartsche:
....What is gopher wood?

I believe Noah was speaking in our famed Southern dialect when he looked at one of his sons lollygagging around and said, "Hey...., knock it off and go-fer some wood!!!"

Translation is suspect.

I do not remember Noah "Tumbling" anything either.

The people who go crazy over a 1/100,000 chance that something might happen and demand that we stop doing it are liberals. The reverse is also true: if something does happen once in 100,000 instances, they will write a law against us doing it at all. Think new manufacture and sale of machine guns to private individuals...

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Originally posted by djpaintles:
Sorry but 1 type of powder in 1 type of tumber does not a conclusive experiment make. Tumbling loaded rounds may be safe 99 out of 100 times, but the 1 out of 100 times it isn't safe makes it an unsupportable practice especially considering it's limited benefits DJ

D.J. This is the situation . Here is WHAT WE DID And here are the results. Just data and evidence. Draw your own conclusions.

Nobody said it was a CONCLUSIVE experiment. Just some guys that are DOING something to get some insite. I think your penduline is swinging just a little too far in one direction.It's a discussion of interest prying into an area we know little of but hope that others might join us in a contributing way much like Wrangler5 just did and enlighten us.

A negative Mind setis a sorrowful state to be in. roger

This is all great stuff.

Thanks to all for all your time put into this.

It seems after talking to a guy I know. All high production ammo is vibratory tumbled at the factory many times as this is the means for moveing the round from point A to point B in the manufactureing process.

No; and I'll tell you why.

Manufacturers do, and they have LARGE drum -type tumblers, with fairly slow rotation, which are a bit gentler on the ammo. If they used vibrators, it would likely approach 5.2 on the Richter scale.

With all but the most tightly-compressed loads, there will be some movement, with some damage to the powder grains, which are relatively soft material.

SOMETHING has to happen inside there, and IMO, it's best not to get that close to the edge of the precipice.

But, that's just me, and I am a chicken.

O.K. Maybe not a good example/representation, BUT I had a box of matches go off in my pocket one time, & I ain't no racing snake, So I would shy from tumbling loaded rounds, Just my feelings on it!

I dont know who or what to believe at this point. My question is what is the purpose? I dont get the need for tumbling finished rounds.

My ammo goes from the seater die to the ammo box.