First of all I'm starting to acquire an interest again in accurate 22 lr rf shooting again. The big stuff hurt my shoulder a lot about 2 months ago and anything larger than .224 is getting just a little pricy. Would like advice based on experience in what rifle and sighting hardware I should buy. This is for paper punching enjoyment and not serious competition.

Secondly it looks like Angeles range got caught in a wild fire and it's still burning up there. Don't know how serious it is but I'm already showing withdrawl symptoms. No shooting this week for sure. fire. roger

I`d look at the CZ line. I`ve a 452 FS in 17 HMR that shoots lights out, and from what I`ve heard the 22LR versions do the same. I put a Weaver 2x7 rimfire scope on mine, but for serious paper shooting I`d go with a little more power, 12 or 14 maybe on the top end.
If you`re looking for a bit nicer wood but likely not much gain in accuracy I`d play with a Cooper or Kimber.

I got one of the Savage (I think) 593 model with the accutrigger in .22 WMR.......and it's a helluve shooter.....a tad spendy but it's a great rifle.

40 Grain CCI maxi mags are a full 100 yard bullet and will take the head off a squirrel at that range.....

It's a keeper for sure!

Thanks guys . I've looked at the CZ and Savage offerings. Both companies are of interest. I somewhat lean toward the built in scope mounts rather than the sloted mounts. Any feed back on the scope mounting issue ? roger

I have a Kimber that I love very much. It's a great rifle. It's better than I am (which may not be saying much). If you want a better bolt action, then get one before they are gone.

You might also consider a 10/22. Replacing the trigger or installing an aftermarket kit goes a very long way toward making the gun quite accurate. I was very surprised at what a trigger kit did for mine. Not quite the Kimber but a whole lot closer than you'd have thought. In fact, I'd say that I wouldn't have a 10/22 that didn't have trigger work.

I had a CZ Varmint in 17HMR that was also very good but went by the wayside due to ammo costs, so they might be worth a look.

LWD

For .22 rf ammo, the most accurate one I found in the rifle I used is Lapula Midas L. But it is quite expensive here in the US -- $10 or $12 or more for a box of 50.

I recommend that you get a box of every brand and variation you can find, and then do benchrest tests to see what gives you best results.

.22 rf ammo seems to vary a lot, and high quality or accuracy does not necessarily track with high price. Some of the CCI stuff gave me relatively good results. Some of the really cheap ($1 or less per box) stuff from Federal or Winchester sometimes gives good results too.

Also Remington is now importing some of the stuff from Eley (British) and selling it under their own name and packaging. This can save you some money. The Eley brand -- especially Eley Tenex -- is often considered to be the most accurate .22rf ammo.

I love my Savage Mark II .22LR (non-accutrigger) bolt action. I did a trigger job on it myself and it shoots great. I out shoot all my buddies in our informal matches. I did my own test of about 15 types of ammo and found that mine really likes the SK Standard Plus ammo. I know you can a lot more on 22s, but I'm not sure it is worth what you'd have to spend to get one in more sccurate and consistent than mine.

Good luck.

Roger, for me there are only two possibilities: The Ruger 10/22 and the Cooper these days.

Anschutz has no peer in .22lr rifle accuracy. They are not necessarily as expensive as you might have heard. Championshooters is a good place to start looking at them.

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Originally posted by amamnn:
Anschutz has no peer in .22lr rifle accuracy. They are not necessarily as expensive as you might have heard. Championshooters is a good place to start looking at them.

I have to agree. Another good place to park a few dollars is into a vintage model 52 Winchester, or model 37 Remington. Both were available with 5 round magazines and both can be equipped with vintage Lyman scopes. Perhaps a tad heavy for a walk about rifle, but a more accurate rifle would be hard to find. I saved the best part for last -both will hold their value if you take care of them.

A lot of good info here. I owned one of the first 10-22s and enjoyed it for 40 years . Right now I'm looking for something off the shelf with just a little more to offer. I have not researched Anshutz but will do so before i'm another day older. roger

Get the Anschutz if you are looking for a range gun. I used one back in college for comp.

But let me warn you, all of your missed shots will be YOUR missed shots. It sucks when you can't blame it on the gun.

I ordered a Savage w/ a bull barrel and an accutrigger. After looking at the Anschutz prices I thought if the Savage doesn't make me happy I could always try the CZ and still be Money ahead. roger

Many years ago when I shot them little metal animals with a 22LR the two favorites were the Anschutz and the Remington 541.

Strangely enough the Remingtons usually out shot the Anschutz.

My favorite 22LR now is my 22LR bbl for my Blaser R 93.

The CZ is a super gun and would be my next one.
Ammo choice does make or break your shooting and it is not always the most expensive. When I had my Anchutz Exemplar, RWS ammo would all go in one hole at 50 yd's. Eley never matched it. Some of the cheap stuff shot decent.
However, the top brand target stuff will NOT shoot from my Mark II's or 10-22. CCI Blue Tag hollow points blow them away. No specific target round will shoot for beans. They like HV stuff. Even cheap bulk bullets shoot OK if you can put up with a few bloopers.
So when you buy bullets to test, just get one box of each because you will find only a few that are accurate depending on your gun choice.

don't forget some of the old stuff, things like the old model 12 remmy or 77 winchester or 39 marlin are a lot of fun. Also try the cheap american eagle for ammo. it will surprise you.

For a Target 22lr it's hard to beat one of the CMP guns for the price. I can be hard to find someone selling one though. I bought a Kimber of Oregon in nearly new condition with match sites for 1/3 what a comparable Anschutz would run. The H&R's running around probably shoot just as good or better and would likely cost a little less. Probably the best shooting 22's for the money.
I've had a couple CZ's. The one thing I've run into with them is that I had to run higher than normal rings and use a small belled scope to keep the bolt handle from interfering. This may or may not be an issue for you.............................DJ

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
...just get one box of each because you will find only a few that are accurate depending on your gun choice.

Completely agree. How does it shoot?

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
[QUOTE]Completely agree. How does it shoot?

Don't know yet. Still in my 10 day waiting period. Than the bullet weighing starts. see what you done?roger

Why not post this on the rimfire forum?
Might be better than reloading seeing as you can't reload rimfires! In any case Anschutz, Rem 541T would be the two best for accurate rimfire shooting, including MS.
Peter.

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Originally posted by bartsche:
...see what you done?roger

I have a couple more Samples to send you. Finally getting the computer back up to snuff after the Horse visit.

10 day waiting period???? Sounds like a Communist Plot to me.

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Originally posted by djpaintles:
For a Target 22lr it's hard to beat one of the CMP guns for the price.

bartsche I will get you a cmp gun at cost if you want.

One of my late uncles, who was and American, gave me his very old and very buggered Remington 215 Sportmaster. I repaired and have since shot thousands of rounds through it. I had to chop off the barrel tip due to the funnel shape it had (I crowned it with a file!) This thing is such fun to shoot with and scary accurate! The trigger is as crisp as a target rifle (I did have to repair the new sear/bolt stop I installed as it broke the first time I used it). The stock was cracked and oil blackened. I got that to look like new too. I became the 22lr metallic silhouette champ at my club with that rifle! (Although some guy gave me a hard time with a cheap Voere - I could only beat him by shooting faster! ). Fun, Fun, Fun! It really taught me to shoot. It has such a superb balance with a high scope mount. Two night ago, I was popping rabbits with it at 100m or more. No possum survives a shot from it. I took one out, standing, at a measured 118m - with sub-sonics! My most favourite 22lr rifle!

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Anschutz has no peer in .22lr rifle accuracy.

Mmmm... I shall be reluctantly forced to concede to that! My nephew's second hand 1417, I think, (which I had to re-crown), shoots one hole 'groups' at 25m! But it doesn't look as classic!

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Originally posted by 303Guy:
...I took one out, standing, at a measured 118m - with sub-sonics! My most favourite 22lr rifle! ...

Hey 303Guy, Always nice when you can revive an old rifle and it turn out to be a great shooter.

What brand of Subsonics are you using?

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... Always nice when you can revive an old rifle and it turn out to be a great shooter.

Yes it is. In fact, I cannot see myself shooting something modern. I still think my old 1902 303 Brit is the best looking sporter to date - and that is my un-biased opinion! (Actually, it is a nice rifle).

But getting back to 22's ..... One day I decided to see what bullet drop I was getting at differenct ranges so I measured distances using my GPS and did some 'elevation correction'. Well, I was able to pop off a few unsuspecting, long range Minah birds. That was fun! Normally, they know how far to keep themselves out of range.

I was using Federal sub-sonic's because I liked the 'look' of the bullets. They have a fat nose which I thought would ride the bore better. Now I cannot get those so i have switched to CCI sub-sonic. I have not bench tested those but I was having no trouble with them hitting hares. (I had also just raised my scope with a dovetail spacer pieces I milled. So, I changed ammo and scope hight without resighting and still hit - coincedence? self cancelling errors? Or just damn fine 'smithing on my part? Yeah ... Right! - just plain dumb luck).

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But let me warn you, all of your missed shots will be YOUR missed shots. It sucks when you can't blame it on the gun.

True, BUT, knowing that your rifle has no fault, forces you to 'not let yourself miss' and inspires great confidence in both your rifle and yourself!

Oh, yes... It has another spin-off effect. It motivates your fellow shooters to shoot better!

Roger,

here is my CZ 452 Training Rifle in 22 LR...

I have a 6 x 24 scope mounted on it, using see thru mounts, just to get it high enough to clear the Mauser slide sights...

This is one of my boy scouts working on his shooting merit badge with me....

ths rifle will do head shots on sage rats at 125 yds with about 85 % consistency.. this rifle also has 30,000 plus rounds down the barrel and is still going strong for accuracy...

alot of Boy Scouts who couldn't qualify for their shooting merit badge at summer camp, have come back and qualified with this rifle in short order

CZ makes a good product...

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Originally posted by seafire2:
this rifle also has 30,000 plus rounds down the barrel and is still going strong for accuracy...

I'm told that 22 LR's get more accurate with age as the soft lead projectiles burnish the bore with every shot.

As a testament to that statement I shoot a late 1920's era Stevens 416. It's a bolt action repeater with a 5-round magazine and a 26" heavy barrel that measures .820" at the muzzle. The original sights were in such a state of disrepair I replaced them with a Lyman 90MJT Universal Receiver Sight and a Lyman 20A front globe sight.

Years ago I affixed a Unertl 20X target scope and proceeded to fire several .375" groups at 50 yds.

The FFL guy let me handle the Savage yesterday but I can't pick it up till Tue. It does not have an exciting appearance but that isn't a priority with me. Now I got to get a bunch of ammo and a digital electronic scale. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
...Now I got to get a bunch of ammo and a digital electronic scale. roger

I agree with the bunch of various kinds of ammo. Not sure about the Weight Sorting yet.

It initially appears that Weight Sorting some types of the inexpensive ammo makes sense. But that is with an extremely limited amount of shooting(5-shots/type). So, it could simply be Random Group Dispersion - in my case.
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The small MTM Digital Scale($30 at Grafs) is apparently accurate to 0.2gr. Sometimes it will read every 0.1gr and sometimes it skips over a specific 0.1 spot. I can see where it would not be the proper Scale for everyone, but for Weight-Sorting Cases, Bullets and 22Rimfires, it is doing fine for me.

As a nice bonus, it is not as "air movement sensitive" as the electronic RCBS or Pact Scales I've used in the past.

What kind of Scope and what Power will you be using on it?

Best of luck with the rifle.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hot Core:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
The small MTM Digital Scale($30 at Grafs) is apparently accurate to 0.2gr. IT"S ON ORDER
What kind of Scope and what Power will you be using on it? I've got a number of scopes to try out from 18 to 32 power.We'll have to see what works best. roger

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The small MTM Digital Scale($30 at Grafs) is apparently accurate to 0.2gr.

I hope someone has them in my parts. I'm going shopping!

Just noticed the "date" of your last Reply. Looks like you got back On-Line before I got the email opened.

That kind of power, 18-32x, has proven to be a real BIG help for me. That White square in the center of the Bullseye is 0.25". It really could be smaller, but I shoot at a corner of it, so it really doesn't matter what size it is.
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What is the Model Number of the rifle so I can look it up in my catalog?

And when is the 1000000 day Waiting Period over with?

Another choice would be a 1st generation Contender with a 23 inch Match chambered barrel. Mine really puts em in tight little clusters. In reality though different ammo makes all the difference.

Consider this before buying Cooper
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3221043/m/368104659

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
What is the Model Number of the rifle so I can look it up in my catalog?

Picked it up yesterday. It is a Savage MARK II FV w/ accutrigger wich feels like it's set at about 4#. This too will pass. roger

Went to put on the scope rings and found out that the dove tail width is about .040" to narrow for Weaver type rings. It is not the std. dovetail used on other 22s useing 3/4" tubes either. Where is my education lacking here? roger

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dove tail width is about .040" to narrow for Weaver type

I have a set of rings like that. I had to make an adaptor for them, which I wanted anyway, so as to raise the scope to a respectable hight. Even then, the clamping piece took some persuasion to grip properly. Bad set of rings!

bartsche

I had this problem fitting a scope mount to an old J C Higgins 22 with a narrow dovetail. The Millett which tightens from both sides worked. For some reason, the medium did not work but the high does. I bought both and returned the mediums.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?s...id=661118&t=11082005

In a way it's nice to know that I'm not alone.There are three dfferent sets of rings coming ,hopefully, next week. Should non of them work out comes the shims and glue. roger

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out comes the shims and glue. roger

That's what I did!
In fact, the dovetailed base is epoxy-ed to the receiver! (It's cylindrical so glue holds real well).